I think the forming of these groups/cartel mentality is really an Australia problem, probably NZ and Canada too. NZ would probably be much, much worse in this regard as it's so small and doesn't have the constant influx.

Anyway for you guys in the US you can drive half an hour down the road and you're in another 'town' of 250k people... Here you drive half an hour down the road and you're in the middle of nowhere. The US just has so many people and a highly mobile population. Yeah, SF will have a very transient population which means a constant influx of new girls, even if groups form they will be forgotten about in a month as people move on, doubt they'd hit critical mass like here.

That's why NYC is the mecca of PU because it not only has the transient population but also the ratios and logistics. NYC is kind of like, take everything that would make PU perfect and put it all in one city, Sydney is like take everything that would make PU chit and put it all in one city lmao. The quality of girls (in terms of looks) that we have is it's only redeeming factor when it comes to dating.

SF is pretty chit too mind you, and also reminded me alot of Syd with uglier girls, but it has the advantage of being surrounded by the greater US dating market so you do have options if you burn bridges locally. You might have Alcatraz there, but if Alcatraz was a country it would be Australia, only the Pacific/Indian oceans are a hell of alot bigger than SF Bay.Congrats on the stack. It's like a second full time job, where you are will dictate the time/effort required to get the same level of results, but basically you have to really enjoy the chase as a hobby otherwise it just wouldn't be worth it anywhere.

As for the 18yo. If you are in a country where the drinking age is 18, then meet her at the hotel bar for 1 drink first and ask the bartender before she arrives to card her for you when she gets there. If you're in the US then you're just going to have to ask for ID, that's what I did when I was there.

All my most recent tinder convos have failed hard, wtf. Legit all of the matches I was texting recently just dropped off the face of the earth after fawning over me, dead srs.

I have new ones that I'm talking to, but damn wtf

What's up guys, how are ya'll doing


I've been trying to not spend a damn dime on these Tinder girls, because they ain't worth it. I always mention going hiking or a physical activity that doesn't involve eating or drinking, or at least not drinking till the night. But they all want to go eat, what gives? i'm not trying to spend any bills on these hoes LOL

Totally normal. Push hard early on for a meet, and do higher volumes to make up for the inevitable ghosts/flakes.If they are 21 or over I would opt for drinking over hiking etc. Alcohol is a social lubricant and will help with the interaction and make her feel more comfortable, also your time should be more valuable than the cost of a few drinks. Buying a few drinks for a 1-1.5 hour drinks date >>>> going on some hike. Although I suppose it could work if it was more of a short walk than a 'hike'. I'd still opt for drinks though.

As for them wanting food, dating is a free market that subscribes to the laws of supply and demand. If every other guy is offering her dinner/lunch, especially if hes' as attractive or more attractive than you, then that's what she's going to expect from you. If every other guy is offering her a 5* dinner, $100 gift card and a new iPhone then... well... You get the picture.

being an active participant in this thread series for 2016 and half of 2017, then coming back to see the state of affairs now is a sad sad thing indeed. damn brahs.

Ah, that's odd; it's sincerely the opposite for me.

****ing Florida

Thanks. Annoying as hell though. I got plus not trying to pay more for gold.

tfw you ask for the number too early in the conversation

real ones know

Make sure you get the pizza while there

#8 , #9

f'd 2 last night. one was pretty bad - met up at a coffee place, was on a bit of a dry spell, and was itching to end it, so figured why not. then second was better, asian nurse etc, that def either F'd a guy before coming to me, or was going to F another after leaving my place, around midnight.

What makes you think that?

BRBMakingMoney


saw some of your experiments in previous tinder threads with different ethnicities. you said indian brahs r pretty much fukt (not that i didnt know this before signing up :P)

but were there any cities where indians did relatively well in your experiments? dont have gold so cant gps spoof. did you use "normal people" pics or like top tier model pics for the ethnic broheims

I don't know about Tinder but from what I have heard, it seems like typically, if you go to a city where your ethnicity is really rare, and they are a open minded culture, you can do pretty well. When you are the only whatever you are on the scene, there will always be a niche group of women who attracted to you and you will be the hot commodity among them. I knew a couple of Black dudes who would go to Riga and clean house, getting chicks left and right. They didn't use tinder at the time though, they just did the night life.

told me and was txting, after we f'd, here and there. i then joked 'bet youre going to go hang with another guy now , huh?' and she didn't deny it. that nursing, used to working nights, life.

side note: told me as well how needy the guys are that she comes across, trying to lock her down, after the first date.

word. i have heard EE is way more open to asians and other minorities so Riga makes sense. and possibly the nordic countries for the darker-featured guys (barring any **** from the refugee stuff). BRBMM literally had statistics by race doe (but all he said were indians were phukt) so was interested to hear what additional data he collected.

I’m middle eastern which is pretty close, I think I do better than the majority of people (except male model tier etc)

You know what I do with gold?

use boost, see what matches I get
delete account, remake, use boost again, repeat.
I have gotten different matches each time.
problem is, I rarely get matches even with boost but that actually yielded me more matches than anything else.
Whether they are even real people or not or tinder is just fuking with me, idk but still. some talked to me.

Can someone critique the below recent Bumble match conversation? Her is yellow messages, I am grey messages.

I think I lost her when she asked if I have met someone off here before / how I am finding it.

I don't think she was very confident. No pic of girl because idiot detectives. She is late 20s, white, English, a little bit overweight, 5/10 face, UK size 14/16 I would guess. I didn't get a feeling from her pics that she was very confident.

sht, accidentally deleted the tinder permissions off my FB before deleting the tinder account. now the subscription is still tied to it.
And i cant use the old FB account due to some 40303 error.
Does anyone know how to release this subscription so i can use it on my new account?

[QUOTE=AquilaConfido post_id=1545375461]Can someone critique the below recent Bumble match conversation? Her is yellow messages, I am grey messages.

I think I lost her when she asked if I have met someone off here before / how I am finding it.

I don't think she was very confident. No pic of girl because idiot detectives. She is late 20s, white, English, a little bit overweight, 5/10 face, UK size 14/16 I would guess. I didn't get a feeling from her pics that she was very confident.

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[img]https://i.imgur.com/ybDBDwj.png[/mg][/QUOTE]It's not great man. First you come out swinging with the triple text right out the gates, and then you ask her to meet right away. Save that for if they if seem super keen for some reason, you asked too soon, maybe she would have been into it later.

Now you've fuked yourself over because you're coming off of a no, so in your mind you're now someone she's decided she doesn't want to meet. What you've done is basically the opposite of the well known psychological foot in the door persuasion technique, where you get a small yes and then work your way up to bigger yes:es gradually.

Then you keep pushing for her to meet, trying to get her to confirm over and over, "perfect let's reschedule" style. It seems a bit desperate, like you have no other options. That's the fastest way to dry up a snatch. The whole convo is you sending 2-3 messages to her one, you're clearly more interested than she is.

This is just my take but saying you haven't met anyone off the app before isn't great either. It makes it seem like you don't have any options, no one buys that whole "oh gee whiz I just got this here app" thing anyway. Either that or that you're a little bitch scared of what some 5/10 whale is gonna think of you.

If a girl asks me if I've met anyone from tinder I'll just smile and say a few. You wanna be confident, like would I really lower myself to lying to some sloot over how many chicks I've smashed on here like I'm ashamed?

Have to agree with UnclRuckus. All your messages from the second onwards are geared towards meeting up in some shape or form. There needs to be some rapport building.

I've learnt that unless a girl is super attracted to you (i.e she's below your league) then asking to meet up after 1-2 messages is far too early. You have to build some rapport so there's a degree of comfort before you pitch for the meet up. Also, if you know you don't have mad game, i would focus on trying to get to know your matches over a few days before asking to meet.

1. Asking to meet quickly CAN be good but you need to build some level of rapport. It could just be making her laugh once but its gotta be something. One line of boring small talk isn't good.

2. When you do ask her out, you send a triple text to do it, and put pressure on making it happen on a specific day. You do that, you are more than likely going to get a no, people are busy, so then you have to recover. Better just to propose drinks, when she says yes then talk about your schedules.

3. She mentions she's going out of town to see family and you don't even acknowledge it, you are just on a one track mission to set up drinks. Tell her that sounds fun, ask where her family is, something like that to build more rapport.

4. Once she does say yes to drinks get her number and move the convo over there.

5. Better for you to make the plans than ask her where to go. Take charge

6. When she asks if you met someone that's another chance to build rapport but you just say "i just got it" and "it's ok" No conversation, and then you immediately switch back to confirming every aspect of drinks....even though that's over a week away. Comes off as really needy. Leave it at that, and then in the coming days firming up the place and time gives you an excuse to text and keep the dialogue open

Good points but I'm not sure about #2. Depends on the girl, with younger, insecure flaky chicks asking when they're free never works for me. I usually give them options, and if they come up with excuses without offering alternatives I drop it because 99% of the time that means it's gonna be a flake.

I think making the plans, picking both the place and the time, is more in line with what you're saying in #5. Don't ask women what to do, you tell them. If they're busy they can give you another time if they're interested.

Yea but some girls even if interested need their hand held every step of the way, and simply won't offer alternatives.. I agree that your way can weed out flaky chicks but it may also weed out some girls who are interested just won't take any initiative.

I don't so much as ask when they would like to get drinks, but i ask about their work schedule and then suggest a night that would seem to make sense.

That's from the preprint "From Swiping to Casual Sex and/or Committed Relationships: Exploring the Experiences of Tinder Users"https://www.researchgate.net/publica...f_Tinder_Users

oh no doubt minorities can do well, but you're probably pretty high up there on the looks scale and are probably still getting pegged down by 1 or 2 points for just being middle eastern in the U.S. (i'd contest your claim that indians and ME'rs look similar, but whatever). this becomes a bit more troublesome as i am probably in the mid to high 6 range in terms of looks but prolly lose 1-2 points for being brown. Just wondering in what cities around the world that there wouldnt be a negative bias as it could make a big difference for someone in my looks range, especially on tinder assuming the very minimum cut-off is prolly like a 6.5 in order to do decently well on app.

honestly didnt think of it before but with a bot and tinder gold (which is what BRBMM did i think) you can gather statistics on girls preferences based on race all aroud the globe (or wherever tinder is popular), which is pretty cool regardless of what you intend to do with the information.

i dont know what this aquilaconfido gentleman looks like, but i think some of us may mistakenly take spadex's approach of asking for fuky fuky (or drinks) right away as a good one as he has posted a LOT of good results from doing this and others may get the wrong idea that this works for everyone. d00d is clearly very good looking so it works for him.

just my 2 cents from someone who has no idea what he is doing, so take it with a grain of salt

seems like great advice on the previous posts though, so thanks a lot bros

The same theory applies based on looks. Girls that respond to my direct approach are usually sub 7.5/10. I'm 7.5/10. The odd 7's and 8's that respond to me I'm just their type or it's random luck (girl just broke up needs rebound, girls ovulating, etc..)

Like this chick. She messaged me before I could delete her. She wouldn't even get my dink hard.



But with these Chicago chicks the angle is different which is why I posted them. This is that direct "Im only in town for a couple nights" approach. Im stacking these hoes and will probably end up with whomever comes straight to my hotel room. I'll buy a couple beers at a 7/11 so we can have in my room.




And the fully executed match conversion I posted last week was luck. Shes not on tinder, hadn't had sex in a year (so she said), and is a serial relationshiper. Seeing her tonight, hoping to get better ninjas of her ass/hips/back/hair. That view is hot af on her. Might take a few rounds before I could write on her tho...she's at least 6.5/10, and I'm not into blondes so she's probably a 7/10 or higher. Only thing is she has these cheap ass tattoos, but they are all small, so not a huge deal.

Yeah if you're male model good looking it may weed out the girls who aren't dtf but honestly a guy just asking for sex right away makes me not want to smash where I might have if he had tried a diff approach. All I think is go pay $200 for a pro, I'm not giving out sugar walls just like that.

Swiping right on maybe 1/50 profiles, getting about 10 matches a day. Dudes that superlike me dont even message me, dudes that I'm not vibing with personality wise sending me shirtless pics trying to arrange meets. Smashed a miscer I met on there. Tinder is pretty strange tbh.