Right, and did you hear about Trump fighting off secret service with one hand while taking over the wheel of the beast with the other from the back seat on J6? I mean Blumph is obviously out of control...

Mostly what they (we) didn’t do, apathy.

I’m just as guilty as anyone. Talking shit on the R&P to kill time is about the extent of my political activism. I didn’t even vote until I was in my 30’s.

Retarded

Lots of people dont vote because they dont like any of the options and 'none of the above' isnt on the ballot. Whatever the reason though why does not voting mean you deserve to be abused?

The Wall Street Journal reported that after the 2 airmen were shot down over Iran, Trump....shrugged his shoulders and asked the room to quiet down as he was watching Fox News. Report and if thats true, how the hell can we have a person like him running the United States and making decisions.... when he doesn't even care about American pilots being shot down in his war!!

Look gang, see how fun TDS can be!!

No matter Trumps reaction.."which is being reported by insiders related to people familiar with the situation"...the TDS crowd always has an out.

That doesnt change with the air campaign against Iran.

The Strait doesn't belong to them, nor does it belong to the other countries who share those shores.

If one wants a silver lining regarding all this(yes, we already knew) it just shows how useless NATO is and should be abandoned.

I admitted it was a useless observation LOL. I’m saying “we” as a whole, inclusive of all the reasons good and bad, so I can’t defend it in terms of “we” as individuals.

Again, territorial waters not international waters. Feel free to keep crying about it, facts dont care about your feelings. If you dont want to fo then you shouldnt fa

This is a good breakdown regarding the muh nuclear weapons cope. Most trumptards think all you have to do is put uranium in a missile and you have a nuke

I get it, you want to falsely claim the Strait as territorial waters in order to justify Iran possibly sinking an American ship as an Fuk you to Trump, but it just aint so.

While Iran claims sovereignty over its part of the Strait, international law guarantees "transit passage," allowing ships to pass through even if they are in territorial waters.

Transit Passage Rights: As an international strait used for navigation, ships and aircraft enjoy the right of "transit passage," which cannot be suspended, even if Iran asserts security control

International Law vs. Rhetoric: While Iran has threatened to close the strait, international maritime law (including UNCLOS) mandates freedom of navigation for all vessels

Don't you imagine that some of the towel head terrorists would volunteer to try to smuggle one into a city in the USA? Not sure how small a nuke could be packaged to do massive damage in a major US city. I remember a movie in the early 2000's with George Clooney/Nicole Kidman where a terrorist was going to try to set off a backpack sized nuke in NYC for major destruction. Maybe just movie fantasy but the radiation would fuk the city up for a long time.

You're confusing international law, which is fake as trump points out, with objective definitions.

Iran would probably win if sued in international courts because, again, they were attacked. But iran never ratified UNCLOS so im not sure how that would even work

I can imagine something that retarded, sure. Fantasy can be fun but its important to not lose your mind

I lol'd at "international law", it's fake... that's not how the world works. "International law" is for weak countries to abide by, because they cannot force their will. It's only international law when the strong countries (U.S. in this case) says it is. Rules for thee, but not for me type of thing.


"I don’t need international law," Trump told The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/us/politics/trump-interview-power-morality.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/08/trump-power-international-law


International law is about as real as "democracy"...

And in this case, Iran can clearly force their will on the Strait, nobody cares about international law... Our leaders only care now about it because it fits our agenda.. But when it doesn't, we throw "international law" out the window.

Can't bold, so I deleted the rest of your post, but yes, 100% agreed.

America > international law

Iran has never earned and doesnt enjoy that privilege.

INB4 self proclaimed American first rage, not you, because I think you agree with me?

America > international courts.

International law > Iran

Irans pen to paper was never required for UNCLOS.

It's not just that they are doing it, it's how they are doing it, by charging a ransom not to attack the shipping with random drones and missiles. That's more like a mugging. Eventually they are going to hit a tanker and cause a massive oil spill. Imagine they hit a cruise ship or something. Target the wrong ship and hit some other nation's warship with nukes on board. It's not just that other countries are not going to do anything about it, but they are cheering it on. What's going to be interesting is that now that Iran has done it, and getting such a positive response, others will do it too. Eventually a lot of nations are going to feel the pinch, and then people are going to wish we had the freedom of navigation. Europe will the the first one's to really regret their choices.

Russia is already threatening the UK as well as other places in Europe telling them that factories that are making weapons for Ukraine are legit targets. The US hasn't even officially pulled out of NATO but Putin already knows that Trump isn't going to help them.

This is the shitshow Trump got himself into, and there doesn't appear to be an easy way out of it now. Iran does control the strait right now, this can't be denied. For this to change, Trump needs a full invasion (won't be approved by Congress)... The cost is too high for that, hence why Trump is doing a blockade in the hopes of making Iran bend the knee... Because bombing them for 30 days didn't work

Other countries realize the cost is going to be way too high to try and militarily bring the strait to how it operated in Jan 2026, and that is why they are reluctant to join the U.S.

The U.S. is the aggressor nation in this conflict, it was our jets that bombed them first, which resulted in the Strait being closed. So it's now on the U.S. to free up the strait, but how? That's the problem Trump is dealing with now. He just can't walk away because that gives Iran full power and control over the strait...

There was freedom of navigation till we attacked Iran... you see the issue?


Well, Europe is fully involved in the Ukraine conflict. They build Ukraine's drones and missiles that then hit Russian infrastructure, including civilian buildings... They even use NATO countries (the Baltic states) to launch their drones and better bypass Russian air defense... And is Russia supposed to just sit by and take it? If the Baltic countries get attacked by Russia, its on them. They decided to join the conflict. Lets not pretend otherwise... Russia is basically fighting with 1 hand tied behind its back. They can't hit said drone/missile production buildings because they are located in a NATO country... If their patience runs out, thats on European countries to deal with. You poke the bear, expect to get bitten. In the same way we get mad at Iran for using proxies that hurt the U.S., Europe is using proxies (Baltic states, for example) to hurt Russia...

The UK is not some innocent bystander in the Ukraine conflict... They try to seize Russian tankers, they help Ukraine launch missiles that hit Russia directly, they allow Ukraine to use their countries to launch drones at Russia.... Come on now... Those are absolutely legit targets for Russia, why wouldn't they be?


And for Iran POV, its

Iran > international law...

The strait belongs to them unless we can convince them to give it up in negotiations or do a full invasion to take it... International law has nothing to do with freeing up the strait. Because Iran isn't as weak as you might think.

Yep and thank God we are no longer obligated to help the Europeans. For me, it's their attitude. It would be one thing if they just didn't want to send their military, but to close airspace and give praise to Iran and condemn the US? I'd say they were actively siding with Iran, and we should take actions to reflect that. Maybe actively sign a treaty with Russia that if they attack European countries we won't get involved as long as they don't hit any of our assets there. We need to pull any assets out of Europe that don't benefit the US. Of course, we need to remind the Germans we are in charge as well, so they can't have any say in that, afterall we beat them in WW2.

Honestly, when they said we can't use their airspace, while I'm sure F35's, F22's and B2's were in fact over Europe anyways, we should have just trampled all over their airspace and told them to do something about it. I really think Trump missed there. I don't think the French, British, Germans ect have the balls to fire on US aircraft.

If you say so. Law without enforcement is just angry letters

Pretty short sighted, it's not gonna be fun when the rabbit gets the gun.

Hey I mean you're the one who flip flopped from being a Libertarian to being a MAGAtard, to now being back to what? Libertarian?

You've been wrong about most of your viewpoints and your overarching worldview.

I've been right, about everything, for one a decade now, while you've been WRONG. You supported Trump when I called him out as a fraudster.


You were waving the pom poms for Trump. You were praising Javier as the next great leader of the world who was following Trump to usher in a new golden age. Both of these individuals were clearly frauds from the very beginning. I didn't forget how hard you were promoting Javier on the misc.

So who's really retarded?

What happened to that libertarian revolution that was going to save Argentina? Is that still on the menu? Seems to me that a bunch of elite jews profited off of the suffering of the Argentinians as Javier allowed them to pillage the country. This seems to be the end result of everything you push for and support, retard.

So Iran aren't even bothering to meet with the US in Pakistan now, damn Trump sure has beaten them into submission huh?

"Uh...uh...uh...I decided to give them more time, thank you for your attention to this matter" - master dealmaker right here.

Hard to believe this fucking dementia case is running the world economy into the ground while Republicans are just wallowing around in the House, occasionally lazily clapping like a pod of seals.

Yeah unbelievable that Europe started this war against a foe that's been threatening to do exactly this for decades. If only there was some way to have predicted that carpet bombing Iran might close the Straight of Hormuz, the EU really fucked the pooch this time.

Might want to wipe the semen from your orifices and check out this thread again before you claim you're always right, fagadamus.

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=183453623

Do you believe this to be 100% truth.

American interests > International law

So you are one of those that is arguing that Iran is an innocent nation not responsible for killing thousands of Americans?
This was an unprovoked attack?
Are you on the side of the IRGC?
Are you one of those that says it's all just propaganda, Iran is a peaceful nation just trying to better itself.

Anyways, Iran had a lot of tough talk and Europe is trying to leverage.

You know how to tell who your real friends are? It's not when things are going good for you. It's when you are in a tough spot, looks like you're on the bad end of things, and you see who's there for you. Europe showed they are only there if they benefit.

How many Iranian attacks have occurred on US soil?

Lets talk about the case of Qasem Soleimani shall we?  You know, the one Trump had assassinated back in 2020.  Democrats wanted to charge Trump for actual murder for that, called it a war crime.
Just look him up. Directly responsible for the killing of 600 US troops, but indirectly who knows, he was a major factor in the leadership against US forces. They were trying to get him since Bush but he hid in Iran most of the time. Iran supplied and trained a lot of the insurgents.

It's like this, Imagine I'm not throwing eggs at your car as you drive down the road, but I'm buying the kids in the neighborhood eggs so they can throw eggs at your car. Am I not a party?

Look up the Quasi war in the late 1700's begining of 1800 where the US attacked France because their privateers were attacking US shipping. France declared it wasn't them, we declared they were harboring them.

So none.

As far Soleimani, he fucked around and found out. As soon as he went into Iraq, he was fair game.


And in 1812 England commandeered our private shipping vessels because they were trading with Fance during a time of war. Everybody backstabs, everybody else when its useful to them