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12-09-2023, 03:49 PM
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Also the majority of team revenue is generated through tv contracts. Ohtani really won’t affect this. The Dodgers already had a substantial tv contract. It has nothing to do with him and they would have had it regardless. Granted it keeps them relevant and good so they can score another big contract when this one ends, but as long as they continue winning they would get that. Yes he helps with that winning but he’s not the end all pulling in a new huge tv deal for them either
And no they can’t sign a tv deal in Japan before anyone argues the overseas impact
I suppose if anyone really wants to try to track its impact though just follow their revenue stream. It was $580 million in 2023. Keep in mind it typically trends up each year due to rising prices in the economy too. For example in 2022 it was $565 million. So they likely would have seen a natural increase without him.
But nevertheless, here you go:
https://www.forbes.com/teams/los-ang...h=2b69986323ae
Excluding the covid season their revenue seems to jump between $10-30 mil a year. If Ohtani really makes them more than they pay him we should expect to see a huge increase. So we’ll just let the numbers tell the story.
The more I look at this I don’t think they will make money off adding him. They’ll make money as a team still even with paying him but I doubt we’ll see this revenue jump $70 mil in 2024, and that would just break even.
Better yet, let's put this in even simpler terms. If his addition is such a sure net positive financially to a team then why are so many teams out on trying to sign him compared to in on trying to sign him. Wouldn't you want both the best player in baseball on your team and a net positive cash from him being on there? Doesn't make sense for so many to not vie for his services if that's true
And no they can’t sign a tv deal in Japan before anyone argues the overseas impact
Dodgers have the most lucrative regional sports network media rights deal in all of MLB. In total, it’s worth more than $8 billion. That plays a massive part in it all.
Some may wonder if the Dodgers can ink their own broadcast deal in Japan where Ohtani’s presence is massive. The Dodgers won’t be able to, which makes Ohtani’s signing a win for all the other owners in MLB.
Major League Baseball controls all international broadcast deals. The revenue garnered from them is split evenly between all 30 owners in the league.
The Dodgers 8 billion TV deal is for 25 years and has 15 years remaining for reference.Some may wonder if the Dodgers can ink their own broadcast deal in Japan where Ohtani’s presence is massive. The Dodgers won’t be able to, which makes Ohtani’s signing a win for all the other owners in MLB.
Major League Baseball controls all international broadcast deals. The revenue garnered from them is split evenly between all 30 owners in the league.
I suppose if anyone really wants to try to track its impact though just follow their revenue stream. It was $580 million in 2023. Keep in mind it typically trends up each year due to rising prices in the economy too. For example in 2022 it was $565 million. So they likely would have seen a natural increase without him.
But nevertheless, here you go:
https://www.forbes.com/teams/los-ang...h=2b69986323ae
Excluding the covid season their revenue seems to jump between $10-30 mil a year. If Ohtani really makes them more than they pay him we should expect to see a huge increase. So we’ll just let the numbers tell the story.
The more I look at this I don’t think they will make money off adding him. They’ll make money as a team still even with paying him but I doubt we’ll see this revenue jump $70 mil in 2024, and that would just break even.
Better yet, let's put this in even simpler terms. If his addition is such a sure net positive financially to a team then why are so many teams out on trying to sign him compared to in on trying to sign him. Wouldn't you want both the best player in baseball on your team and a net positive cash from him being on there? Doesn't make sense for so many to not vie for his services if that's true
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12-09-2023, 05:58 PM
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Fuuuaaarrrk $70m / year contract?? Mogger
Glad to see Southseethe still coping HARD over anything Ohtani does
Glad to see Southseethe still coping HARD over anything Ohtani does
12-09-2023, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By jewdidthis⏩
When he's just a $70 mil DH in 3 years and Acuna makes $10 mil in 2027 to outperform we'll see who's coping.Fuuuaaarrrk $70m / year contract?? Mogger
Glad to see Southseethe still coping HARD over anything Ohtani does
Glad to see Southseethe still coping HARD over anything Ohtani does
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12-09-2023, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Ohtani will win the CY Young award and another season MVP along with his first Championship,When he's just a $70 mil DH in 3 years and Acuna makes $10 mil in 2027 to outperform we'll see who's coping.
all within the next 3 years
12-09-2023, 07:22 PM
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12-09-2023, 11:07 PM
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Yea he won't win a cy young. Dodgers are taking a big gamble on coming back from TJ surgery healthy. Most seem to these days, but i think it's his second.
I'm thinking they had conversations around turning him into a reliever or teaching him right field as backup options. He's athletic enough he could learn the field as a worst case scenario.
If he puts in a few more years like the last couple and they win a ring the gamble will pay off in spades
I'm thinking they had conversations around turning him into a reliever or teaching him right field as backup options. He's athletic enough he could learn the field as a worst case scenario.
If he puts in a few more years like the last couple and they win a ring the gamble will pay off in spades
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12-09-2023, 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted By jewdidthis⏩
Which year will that be? Because right now the Dodgers rotation for 2024 is:along with his first Championship,
all within the next 3 years
all within the next 3 years
Walker Buehler
Bobby Miller
Emmet Sheehan
??? I dunno lol ???
??? I dunno lol ???
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12-11-2023, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
I like you.No one likes me and yet I've kick started discussion over the last few days in this thread yourself included.
Face it, you need me. I have far more value ITT (and in life in general) than you ever will. Just say thank you and we can end this.
Face it, you need me. I have far more value ITT (and in life in general) than you ever will. Just say thank you and we can end this.
But I hate Kelenic going to your Bravos.
12-11-2023, 05:38 PM
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Ok now they're making money off him.
What the f*ck MLB? This is the type of contract that really should not be allowed. Now they're really only paying him $500 million after a rough estimate of inflation, plus the next 10 years they get to bank money off him and score interest off it. Even if he only draws in $30 mil of revenue by himself a year, over 10 years that's $300 mil (plus the interest compounding each year).
He'll basically be paying off his own contract in other words before he gets his money. If you didn't hate the Dodgers before you sure as sh*t should now.
F*ck.... time to rope
What the f*ck MLB? This is the type of contract that really should not be allowed. Now they're really only paying him $500 million after a rough estimate of inflation, plus the next 10 years they get to bank money off him and score interest off it. Even if he only draws in $30 mil of revenue by himself a year, over 10 years that's $300 mil (plus the interest compounding each year).
He'll basically be paying off his own contract in other words before he gets his money. If you didn't hate the Dodgers before you sure as sh*t should now.
F*ck.... time to rope
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12-11-2023, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Bout to see teams sign guys to 5 yr deals worth 400m and only count 5m against the salary cap. Get in and buy hella players and defer salary, then win title and sell and leave the new owner with deferred payments. If the A’s knew they were moving to Vegas they shoulda done this years ago.Ok now they're making money off him.
What the f*ck MLB? This is the type of contract that really should not be allowed. Now they're really only paying him $500 million after a rough estimate of inflation, plus the next 10 years they get to bank money off him and score interest off it. Even if he only draws in $30 mil of revenue by himself a year, over 10 years that's $300 mil (plus the interest compounding each year).
He'll basically be paying off his own contract in other words before he gets his money. If you didn't hate the Dodgers before you sure as sh*t should now.
F*ck.... time to rope
What the f*ck MLB? This is the type of contract that really should not be allowed. Now they're really only paying him $500 million after a rough estimate of inflation, plus the next 10 years they get to bank money off him and score interest off it. Even if he only draws in $30 mil of revenue by himself a year, over 10 years that's $300 mil (plus the interest compounding each year).
He'll basically be paying off his own contract in other words before he gets his money. If you didn't hate the Dodgers before you sure as sh*t should now.
F*ck.... time to rope
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12-11-2023, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
I believe it does but I don't care to really verify how that all works. You gotta understand even if it does the luxury tax threshold will be much higher by the time these payments are being made as well.I don't understand how all this works. When they start paying him the deferred salary in 10 years, will it count against their salary at that point? As in starting in 2033 they'll have the $68 MM counting towards (or likely over) the luxury tax?
They've already set the threshold through 2026. It was $233 mil last year, 2026 will be $244 mil. Rough estimation if it continues trending similarly it will likely be $40 mil higher than it is today. Doesn't cover all of the $68 mil from a tax perspective but it does wipe away a lot of it, so the hit won't be the same as it would today.
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Tyler Glasnow gonna backfire on LAD. Dude has never pitched a full season in his life.
I got Yamamoto going to either the Mets or Giants. Snell I'm not sure. It'd be nice if the Braves would get off their ass and go after him but they won't so it will be someone else is all I know.
I got Yamamoto going to either the Mets or Giants. Snell I'm not sure. It'd be nice if the Braves would get off their ass and go after him but they won't so it will be someone else is all I know.
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12-13-2023, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
No way....Yama is either NYY or LAD. No way in hell he picks SF....literally not one wants to go there.Tyler Glasnow gonna backfire on LAD. Dude has never pitched a full season in his life.
I got Yamamoto going to either the Mets or Giants. Snell I'm not sure. It'd be nice if the Braves would get off their ass and go after him but they won't so it will be someone else is all I know.
I got Yamamoto going to either the Mets or Giants. Snell I'm not sure. It'd be nice if the Braves would get off their ass and go after him but they won't so it will be someone else is all I know.
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and seeing as how Mookie, Freddie, and Shohei were there to greet Yamamoto yesterday in LA.....its probably Dodgers. They deserve him for that flex.
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Nah Giants will be desperate and pay him more after LAD landed Shohei. Why go play under the shadow of Shohei too? Yamamoto has more to gain going to the Giants imo. Aside from winning that is lol.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
If he has a brain and his agent looks at the Giants roster, then at the Dodgers roster, he'll know to not pick SFG. Dodgers/Yankees/Giants money will all be close anyway so that doesn't matter.Nah Giants will be desperate and pay him more after LAD landed Shohei. Why go play under the shadow of Shohei too? Yamamoto has more to gain going to the Giants imo. Aside from winning that is lol.
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Originally Posted By JIGSAW⏩
By this logic nobody would go to any team other than the top contenders every year. It's never worked like that brah. Look at all the stars the Padres keep acquiring with .500 seasons lol. Are you new to baseball?If he has a brain and his agent looks at the Giants roster, then at the Dodgers roster, he'll know to not pick SFG. Dodgers/Yankees/Giants money will all be close anyway so that doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Nah its an easy pick.....either LAD or NYY. Go join Ohtani and that stacked team, or go to NY and start your own legacy not in Ohtani's shadow. Money is the same.By this logic nobody would go to any team other than the top contenders every year. It's never worked like that brah. Look at all the stars the Padres keep acquiring with .500 seasons lol. Are you new to baseball?
no one is going to San Fran...and its not because of baseball reasons specifically. Why would he want to go there, they're not even going be the top bidder or probably close to it.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Giants wanted Stanton and Judge, and they're bothfromCalifornia and they both were like nahhhhhhhBy this logic nobody would go to any team other than the top contenders every year. It's never worked like that brah. Look at all the stars the Padres keep acquiring with .500 seasons lol. Are you new to baseball?
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Originally Posted By JIGSAW⏩
It is hard to promote the city now in its current condition. Even the president of China pointed it out.Giants wanted Stanton and Judge, and they're bothfromCalifornia and they both were like nahhhhhhh
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Braves have 34 guys on their 40 man and 2 of those are going on the 60 day soon (Anderson and Perdomo), so in reality 32..........they're about to go all in on the other free agents/trade market
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12-15-2023, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By JIGSAW⏩
doesn't really feel like them. they may have some other game afoot. such a smart team. maybe just going to take a bunch of fliers on low risk ceiling guys.Braves have 34 guys on their 40 man and 2 of those are going on the 60 day soon (Anderson and Perdomo), so in reality 32..........they're about to go all in on the other free agents/trade market
they could really use a blake snell though... but snell is so risky too
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Originally Posted By JIGSAW⏩
After the Braves passed on Sonny Gray signing a modest 3 yr/$75 mil deal I can all but confirm the Braves will not do jack sh*t to bring anyone significant in. Another red flag was all the talk about trying to revitalize Reynaldo Lopez as a 5th starter after signing him. That's not a team interested in finding a frontline starter.Braves have 34 guys on their 40 man and 2 of those are going on the 60 day soon (Anderson and Perdomo), so in reality 32..........they're about to go all in on the other free agents/trade market
Also 0 talk of extending Max Fried means he's all but gone after this season.
Originally Posted By Zere0wn⏩
Smart enough to sit 23rd on the playoff series winning percentage listsuch a smart team.
https://www.mlb.com/news/every-mlb-t...win-percentage
Love this for them
And if you want to trim this even further and only include organizations good enough to have at least accumulated 20 or more playoffs series they sit 13th out of 16 total teams. BRUTAL
And if you want to know their record since 2000, it's an even more abysmal 6-14 (.300)
But hey, Zere0wn says they're a smart team at least!! How comforting to have that accolade!!!
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Originally Posted By JIGSAW⏩
Yeah and Trout is from Philly and he was like nahhhh when he signed an extension to remove any chance of going there despite the swirling rumors they'd make a run at him if he entered free agency.Giants wanted Stanton and Judge, and they're bothfromCalifornia and they both were like nahhhhhhh
They go where the money is. Always have. If you actually think anything else persuades them to any significant degree you're in denial. They all like to talk a big game about how winning matters but at the end of the day if the f*cking Pirates offered Shohei a $900 million deal over 12 years he'd be wearing yellow instead of blue.
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