So your assertion is that it has spread equally across all major metro areas of the country, and nowhere, including any parts of Washington, have more cases than anywhere else?

okay then lol

Apparently one article I've posted out of I don't even know how many that I don't even know what you're talking about is "leaning on".

okay then lol

What antifa high in the government marshal imposition are you talking about? Huh?

******** what? I haven't been on FB in literally years.

You okay man?

My take, and I could be completely wrong, ,so take it with a grain of salt.

Covid-19 doesn't actually kill you. It's the viral pneumonia that can develop because of the symptoms of covid-19. Covid is super highly contagious, no vaccine, and can stay on surfaces up to 3 days.

THe complications of the symptoms due to a compromised immune system and underlying health problems lead to the pneumonia. Hence old people dying from the resulting pneumonia, not from covid-19. It's just that it's so damn easy to catch it as well as transmit it.

So, bottom line, as soon as you start seeing symptoms of pneumonia, get to a hospital fast, because in 7 days, you could be beyond help.

EDIT: and from the article i posted last night, it's actually heart attacks from the pneumonia, probably due to lack of oxygen. It increases heart rate, and the ol'ticker finally says 'enuff.

lmao okay bro. keep doomsdayin'

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...-it-to-the-flu

Longtime health reporter Charles Ornstein says that comparing the novel coronavirus to the flu is dangerously inaccurate. Not one public health expert he trusts has called that comparison valid. Here’s why.



As a longtime health care reporter, I see the unfolding coronavirus pandemic as representing everything I’ve read about — from the early days of epidemiology to the staggering toll of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic — but had not covered in my lifetime.

And still, I have been caught off guard by the pushback from top elected officials and even some friends and acquaintances who keep comparing it to the flu.

“So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu,” President Donald Trump wrote on Twitter on March 9. “It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!”

By Friday, Trump had declared coronavirus a national emergency, freeing up resources and removing hurdles for a faster response.

In the meantime, not one public health expert I trust — not one — has said this flu comparison is valid or that we’re overdoing it. Every single one, from former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb to Harvard professor Ashish Jha, has said we’re not doing enough, that this is far more serious than it is being taken.

Here’s why that is:

This is far deadlier than the flu.
As Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and others have said, COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu. It’s deadlier for young adults. It’s deadlier for older adults. In China, early data shows that it was 10 times deadlier. This chart from Business Insider compares U.S. flu deaths to deaths in China from COVID-19.



The flu kills less than 1% of infected people who are over age 65. By comparison, in China, COVID-19 killed 8% of those infected who were 70-79 and almost 15% of those infected who were age 80 or older. That’s a staggering difference.

Even for younger people, the difference was striking. Flu killed .02% of infected patients age 18-49. It’s 10 times that for COVID-19.

In other countries, such as South Korea, the death rate has been far lower.

But if 1 in 12 people age 70-79 who get the virus and 1 in 7 people age 80 or older who get the virus die, and the virus spreads to 20%, 40% or 70% of the population, we’re talking massive death tolls, the likes of which we have never seen before in our lives.

“I mean, people always say, well, the flu does this, the flu does that,” Fauci said Wednesday during congressional testimony. “The flu has a mortality of 0.1%. This has a mortality rate of 10 times that. That’s the reason I want to emphasize we have to stay ahead of the game in preventing this.”

Our health care system doesn’t have the capacity to deal with this.
Epidemiological experts keep talking about the need to “flatten the curve.” What they mean by that is that we need to slow the speed at which new cases are reported. We may not be able to stop the spread of the coronavirus, but we have to try to manage it. If 1,000 new cases happen over a month instead of a week, the health care system is more able to handle them.

Here’s why this is a worry:Overall, our hospitals have fewer beds than other developed countries, according to recent data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The United States had 2.8 beds per 1,000 residents. By comparison, Germany had 8 beds and China 4.3 per 1,000.

The United States looks better when it comes to intensive care beds, but there’s tremendous variation between regions and states. If we experience what parts of China and Italy saw, we won’t have anywhere for sick patients to go. We will quickly run out of capacity.

Even if we have the capacity, we may not have enough supplies

In a crisis moment, supplies like ventilators and N95 face masks will be key. But as National Geographic and other media have reported, the United States has only a fraction of the medical supplies it needs.

“Three hundred million respirators and face masks. That’s what the United States needs as soon as possible to protect health workers against the coronavirus threat. But the nation’s emergency stockpile has less than 15 percent of these supplies,” the magazine reported.

Others have reported shortfalls as well, and ProPublica has been hearing from health care professionals across the country who say their own institutions are running short of supplies. (Share your story here.)

U.S. Surgeon General Jerome Adams tweeted at the end of February, “Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS! They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

Another challenge: Hospital staff have been exposed too.
And if that weren’t enough, there’s another problem. Health care workers who have been exposed to the virus are now quarantining themselves, further reducing available staff at hospitals. Kaiser Health News reported on the effects of this:

“In Vacaville, California, alone, one case — the first documented instance of community transmission in the U.S. — left more than 200 hospital workers under quarantine and unable to work for weeks.

“Across California, dozens more health care workers have been ordered home because of possible contagion in response to more than 80 confirmed cases as of Sunday afternoon. In Kirkland, Washington, more than a quarter of the city’s fire department was quarantined after exposure to a handful of infected patients at the Life Care Center nursing home.”

This week, Banner Health in Colorado informed employees that a co-worker is among those with the coronavirus, The Colorado Sun reported. “People who came into prolonged, close contact with the woman in a Banner Health emergency room are being notified and asked to home-quarantine for 14 days, according to a source close to the investigation who spoke to The Sun on the condition of anonymity.”

And my ProPublica colleagues reported Friday how some EMS workers are also being quarantined because of exposure. (It didn’t help, of course, that the EMS system was slow to get up to speed on the threat.)

People in rural areas will have little care nearby should they be affected by COVID-19.

Rural areas in the U.S. are losing their hospitals entirely, and residents are having to travel hours for care. According to the Cecil G. Sheps Center for Health Services Research at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, 126 rural hospitals have closed since 2010, including six so far this year. That’s about 6%.

An analysis by the Chartis Center for Rural Health and iVantage Health Analytics this year found that about a quarter of the nation’s 1,844 open rural hospitals are vulnerable.

As The Washington Post described it last year, “Hospitals like Fairfax Community [in Oklahoma] treat patients that are on average six years older and 40 percent poorer than those in urban hospitals, which means rural hospitals have suffered disproportionately from government cuts to Medicaid and Medicare reimbursement rates. They also treat a higher percentage of uninsured patients, resulting in unpaid bills and rising debts.

“A record 46 percent of rural hospitals lost money last year. More than 400 are classified by health officials as being at ‘high risk of imminent failure.’ Hundreds more have cut services or turned over control to outside ownership groups in an attempt to stave off closure.”

Until we start testing for corona to get actual numbers of cases more nailed down, comparing death rates is wishy washy at best.

Every legit expert you can find will tell you it's many times deadlier, and another important statistic people overlook, it's hospitalization rate is also many times higher.

We do need to look to other countries to try to get a handle on CFR because our testing here is so ****ing terrible (basically non existent for plebs, but that also partly means some deaths are ruled something else when they are covid but weren't tested so it's kinda all over the place on getting stats ironed out)

Based on the number of cases we have currently. Like i said in my previous post, looking how fast it spreads and how many people *could* have it you could have 1.4 million cases in the US, not 14,000. Just a little too early right now, twovalvebruh's opinion.

There's also the fact that IIRC time from infection to death is like 14 days avg

Im just excited for my potential day off Monday. We have a guy who was "sick" yesterday in our building...he got tested this morning.

Put a 30 MOA base on it and shoot it 300 yds.





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https://www.thelocal.fr/20200314/fra...virus-epidemic

Coronavirus epidemic: France orders all bars, restaurants and non-essential shops to close

'Edouard Philippe announced on Saturday evening that due to the acceleration of the coronavirus epidemic in France it was necessary to close all bars, restaurants, nightclubs and non-essential stores across the country.

All places deemed "non-essential" are to be closed, Philippe said.

"I have decided on the closure until further notice from midnight of places that receive the public that are non-essential to the life of the country. This includes notably cafes, restaurants, cinemas and discos," the Prime Minister told reporters.

"We have noticed an acceleration in the spread of the virus and a rise in the number of people in intensive care, he said."







"...more than 50 percent of the 300 patients currently in intensive care for the virus in a serious condition were aged under 60"










https://www.rijnmond.nl/nieuws/19305...er-dan-50-jaar

"Most corona patients who are in an intensive care unit (ICU) are under 50 years old.That says the Association for Intensive Care. This while older people with poor health are the most vulnerable."


The netherlands ^

Meatie, did you ever get a TACTICAL RESPONSE rifle?

My wife’s friend and coworker is from the Netherlands. She was just there for weeks. Came back a day or two ago early because she had to change her flight. She’s holed up in her apartment. I’ve been dropping groceries off at her door.

[QUOTE=Ikeman83 post_id=1599789021]Put a 30 MOA base on it and shoot it 300 yds.


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300y with .22 is stretching it. At those ranges, I'd settle on practice shooting centerfire. 100y is fun with a .22 and used to do that quite often.

Good. Keep doing that and whatever else to help her follow the very long self quarantine that I am sure was applied.

Hence the 30 MOA base.

My 10/22 does 200 yds easy, and that at only 7 mils

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Yea we went in her apartment when she was on her way back and gave her supplies. She went straight from the airport to her apartment and hasn’t left. Problem is, I doubt very little do that. I’m sure most of us on here have been exposed somehow to it.

What do you guys think about the 69 grain federal gold medal match in 223?

Wonder if the reason for the majority of ICU patients in The Netherlands being <50 is because they are choosing to keep older patients with poor odds off? Isn't that the country with the euthanasia laws?

Sorry, Wouter . . . that 85th b-day? Might want to tell your family to make other plans.

I also wonder if that really old italy population that people say is the only reason it's bad three (yeah, no) is also the reason why people seem to think it like "only" effects the real old (yeah, not true either)

"Predominantly kills the old" is probably the best way to look at it. <50 and intubated fare a lot better than >60 and intubated. Pretty brutal mathematics at work over there. 3 ventilators open . . . 4 patients need them. One is 60+ with pre-existing conditions and the other 3 are <50 and otherwise healthy. Got sum bad newz.

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No, you can get it and not even know it, but just divide deaths by known cases. Your non-medical opinion means **** and is dangerous.

I don't even have covid19 (obviously I do, just haven't been tested) but have self-quarantined in a casket in preparation for inevitable death.

Just LOL if you didn't buy 2 weeks ago, but here's a good deal for any of you who are not properly preparedhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/MILITARY-SU...3920?_trkparms

Be safe Taf

LOL . . . nobody even has me in the deadpool (yet--that I know of).

Cowards!

I would have taken you but i don't want to be right.

Beardman with a strong lol.

So it sounds like the UK is basically saying fuk it, let people get it and get it over with. Dafuq lmao.
Guess they dont want to draw out this whole quarantine for 2 or 3 weeks, new surge of outbreaks, quarantine for 2-3 weeks, rinse, repeat for hovering it takes to go through the population?

I feel like that's our strategy in the US. Which is great for hospitals (we hope). But at that rate...how long are we talking about dealing with this ****? Seems apparent it's not going to go away with a few cycles of quarantining for a few weeks, and I doubt summer will help much either.

keep whipping up the panic brah