Then stop. Lmao.

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. What makes meat more efficient for muscle gains isn't just protein. Protein is just one part of the equation. If you're eating below caloric maintenance, your body isn't going to use the protein you're eating to build muscle, its going to use it as energy. This is where meat comes it. Its calorie dense which means you're getting more than enough calories to utilize the full benefits of the protein in the meat. Also, cholesterol from dietary fats in animal products are the backbone of testosterone synthesis in the body.

You don't have to understand this concept map. All you should get from it is the initial product (upper left) introduced to the pathway, and the final product (lower right) produced.

You're not going to get that from avocado and hummus.oh boy, here we go. I'm just gonna stay out of that one.

We've been eating meat for at least 500k years, and thats ironically the time when humans broke through the barrier of the animal kingdom and became an apex being on earth. The fats in meat allowed for better brain development and cognition, and the calorie denseness of meat allowed us to survive harsh condition and long periods without food. Neanderthals would not have survived the Ice Age if they were strict vegans.

Intradasting as humans have only existed for 200k years.

vegetarian
vegetarian

VEGETARIAN

You're arguing for veganism, these are studies about vegetarians, the majority of which still eat milk cheese eggs and sometimes fish. Noone has a problem with vegetables and fruits (or vegetarians). The argument here is the unrealistic expectations of the vegan lifestyle.

The phylogenic branch of the Homo Genus that became modern man has been around for about 500k years.

I have been blessed with these bones in my mouth, so I shall eat meat. Eating some perfectly cooked lamb chops or a perfectly cooked medium steak are two of my favorite things on this planet. **** off.

Went to Fogo De Chao a few weeks ago. Highly recommended if you don't mind spending some money.

The vegans who are vegan for moral reasons are the worst. Same people who splurge on materialistic items such as an iphone that are made exploiting the lack of labor laws in Asia... these factories literally have suicide nets to keep them from just killing themselves.

If you want to come in with animal suffering then fine thats a real debate.

If you want to come in with its healthier for you LOL its not. No evidence and no advantage to limiting your diet. Maybe vegitarian but vegan? Especially for infants/ children they are often treated for severe malnutrition when forced into a vegan diet by bad parents.

No1 says to eat meat all day. Eating some fish and eggs >>>>> vegan bs

[QUOTE=Spoolme post_id=1543750761]Allow me to help!

Vegan Scientific Studies by Topic

General health

Health effects of vegan diets:[URL=http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full]http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full[/URL]

Vegetarians have lower levels of triglycerides, total cholesterol, and LDL (bad) cholesterol than
omnivores:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364116]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17364116[/URL]

Vegetarian diet may promote allergy protection:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21048771]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21048771[/URL]

Positions of American, Canadian, Australian Dietetic Associations on vegetarian diets:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12778049]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12778049[/URL], [url]http://www.veganaustralia.org.au/government_recognises_vegan_diet_as_viable_option_ for_all_australians, http://
[URL=http://www.dietitians.ca/Your-Health/Nutrition-A-Z/Vegetarian-Diets/Eating-Guidelines-for-Vegans.aspx]http://www.dietitians.ca/Your-Health...or-Vegans.aspx[/URL]

Increased consumption of fruits and vegetables promotes cardiovascular health and longevity:
[URL=http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2011/05/18/ajcn.110.009340.abstract]http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/ea...09340.abstract[/URL]

Vegetarians have significantly lower heart disease mortality and cancer incidence:[URL=http://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/337301]http://www.karger.com/Article/Pdf/337301[/URL]

A high-carb low-fat (vegan) diet can reduce total and LDL cholesterol and lead to modest weight
reduction:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9805219]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9805219[/URL]

Increased saturated fat can increase total cholesterol, in favour of LDL (bad) more than HDL (good) cholesterol:[URL=http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/the-truth-about-fats-bad-andgood]http://www.health.harvard.edu/stayin...ts-bad-andgood[/URL]

Vegetarians live longer than omnivores, even when controlling for other health factors:[URL=http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/health/go-vegetarian-live-longer-20140717]http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fi...onger-20140717[/URL]

Lesser consumption of animal products may improve mood and decrease anxiety:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22333737]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22333737[/URL]

Increased consumption of animal products may lead to increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24037034]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24037034[/URL]

High intake of fruits and vegetables associated with reduced risk of breast cancer: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22706630]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22706630[/URL]

Frequent consumption of nuts may protect against risk of cardiovascular disease: https://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1627021]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1627021[/URL]

Increasing legume intake can protect against coronary heart disease: https://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11718588]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11718588[/URL]

Increasing dietary folate can protect against stroke and heart disease: https://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11988588]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11988588[/URL]

Increasing dietary fibre can protect against heart and cardiovascular disease:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12963562]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12963562[/URL],[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11755286]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11755286[/URL]

Low intake of dietary cholesterol can prevent heart disease:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/3052353,[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16596800]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16596800[/URL]

Higher intake of fruit and vegetables lowers risk of cardiovascular disease: https://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11010932]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11010932[/URL]

Diets that are rich in plant-based foods promote longevity:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/12514290

Higher consumption of fruits and vegetables can protect against cerebrovascular diseases:
[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19646291]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19646291[/URL]

Higher consumption of fruits and vegetables leads to modest reduction in development of major
chronic diseases:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15523086]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15523086[/URL]

Higher consumption of fruits and vegetables protects against heart disease: https://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11412050]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11412050[/URL]

Vegetarians have lower risk of ischemic heart disease:[URL=http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/97/3/597.full.pdf]http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/97/3/597.full.pdf[/URL]

Vegans and vegetarians have lower blood pressure and prevalence of hypertension: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12372158]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12372158[/URL]

Beneficial association between vegetarian diet and cardiovascular risk factors: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25343719]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25343719[/URL]

African-American vegans have better cardiovascular disease risk factors than lacto-ovovegetarians:
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9791838]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9791838[/URL]

Physicians should recommend plant-based diets to their patients:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/23704846

Vegans and vegetarians have lower BMI than meat eaters:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/[/URL]
12833118

Vegans have lower levels of IGF-1 growth hormone and higher levels of IGF-binding proteins:
[URL=http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/11/11/1441.full.pdf]http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content.../1441.full.pdf[/URL]

Higher levels of IGF-1 increase risk of (prostate) cancer:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/[/URL]
articles/PMC2743036/pdf/ukmss-27731.pdf,[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12917205]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12917205[/URL],
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10203281]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10203281[/URL],[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11018095]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11018095[/URL]

Plant-based diets can reduce risk of heart disease and stroke:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/12936948,[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25431999]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25431999[/URL]

Whole foods, plant-based diet relieves symptoms of osteoarthritis:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/25815212

Plant-based diets may reduce risk of metabolic syndrome:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/25084991

Vegetarian and vegan diets reduce risk of cancer:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/[/URL]
21407994

Health benefits of vegetarian diet far outweigh the potential risks:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/15806870,[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24964573]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24964573[/URL]

Plant-based diets decrease risk of colorectal cancer:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/[/URL]
25592002

Plant-based diets are not nutritionally deficient:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24361028]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24361028[/URL]

Vegetarian diets have significant benefits for weight reduction:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/[/URL]
pubmed/26138004

Vegetarian diets reduce risk of colorectal cancer:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/[/URL]
25751512

Vegetarian diet is associated with lower blood pressure:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/[/URL]
24566947

Vegetarian diets have more beneficial effects on health than standard American/European diet:
[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7635375]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7635375[/URL]

Cancer

Vegans/vegetarians have lower risk of cancer:[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929[/URL]

Vegan proteins may reduce risk of cancer, obesity, cardiovascular disease: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10687887]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10687887[/URL]

Vegan diet leads to lower risk of cancer and cardiovascular disease: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10943644]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10943644[/URL]

Heart Disease

Vegetarians have better antioxidant and heart disease profiles than healthy omnivores: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873[/URL]

Plant-based diets can reverse cardiovascular disease:[URL=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/[/URL]
25198208

Diabetes

Diabetes, hypertension, obesity more prevalent among meat-eaters than vegetarians: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23283037]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23283037[/URL]

Vegetarian and vegan diets have advantages in treating type 2 diabetes: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20425575]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20425575[/URL]

Strong protective association between Taiwanese vegetarian diet and diabetes: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914[/URL]

Strong protective association between vegetarian diet and diabetes (after controlling for
confounders):[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914[/URL]

Lower intakes of saturated fat may reduce cognitive decline in individuals with type 2 diabetes:
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19336640]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19336640[/URL]

Diets higher in protein and animal protein increase diabetes risk:[URL=http://www.pcrm.org/health/]http://www.pcrm.org/health/[/URL]
medNews/animal-protein-linked-to-increased-diabetes-risk

Vegetarian and vegan diets present advantages for type 2 diabetes treatment: http://
[URL=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029]www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029[/URL][/QUOTE]thanks brother, Meat eaters are ETHERED

rekt

you still seem angry my dear child, remember pachamama love you my brother inlakeech

saying i'm angry doesn't make it true. I haven't negged anyone, I'm not using caps or expletives so i'm not sure where you're getting that from.

brah your argument is based on neanderthals. They probably ate their own poop too. It's 2018.

isnt vegan and cuck used interchangeably ?

its not my only argument. I was building off of a point another miscer was making.

Fair enough. I'm not here to argue but I do think others should at least consider vegetarianism objectively. It's loads better for the environment, doesn't fuel companies that are abusive to animals, and generally healthier than eating meat. Of course you still have to eat nourishing foods for it to be healthy.

Thats the thing, noone is arguing against being a vegetarian, the argument is against the philosophy of being a vegan and those individuals that are "spiritually connected" to it.....then they start going off the rails and showing their true colors with nonsense like this;saying stuff like this on a Western based board does not help any cause you're trying to promote.

I don't disagree with you there lol. People get carried away on both sides of the argument and it detracts from their original point.

I am veg but I pay 3-4x as much for eggs from chickens that have room to roam. I use almond milk instead of cow's milk in my smoothies. I use pea protein instead of whey protein. I still eat cheese from cows that are mistreated because it's just difficult to avoid but I'd like to cut that out at some point. I eat seafood sometimes. If I order something without meat and they still put meat on it, I eat the meat. I'm not changing the demand for it by leaving it for the trash and I'm not a nazi about the health impacts of a single piece of meat. It would just be a waste of food at that point. I encourage others to make conscious decisions about their diets rather than to just instantly respond with something like "vegans is cucks."

Thankyou.

I 100% agree with this.

lulz Maestro effortlessly taking every vegan argument to school

Human dentition is evidence of a longstanding carnivorous element to our diet.

No, we don’t have the specialized carnassial or shearing teeth of full-time predators, but out canine and incisor teeth are certainly not ideal for eating strictly vegetation.

Regardless, vegan or not, you need your macros to live/lift/grow.

Meat just tastes too damn good for me to give up, but I understand not wanting to kill animals.

eating poop is less disgusting and atrocious than eating meat

Would have been funnier if you posted the same img and told him his ancestors have been homo for over 2 million years brah. :P

rather have a nice clean weiner...

there were 8 more split in halves but theyd already been chopped up. sorry op, i know how much you love whacking off to animal carcasses

Reading Maestro's posts like

I feel veganism is the greater evil when compared to a meat-eating culture.

Imagine if the whole world went vegan. Think about how much agriculture needs to be expanded to make it work. Now think about the amount of insect life that would perish due to farming machinery and pesticides. It doesn't take a mathematician to understand that agriculture murders astronomical quantities of insect lives when compared to animal deaths from factory farming.

If all living beings are truly equal, then a vegan society would have much more blood on their hands.

lmao a literal soyboy..woweee

love steak, love chicken, love all seafood and fk if im gonna let a holier then thou vegan tell me im "less evolved" because of it.

Damn you guys are getting trolled hard.