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Thread: Kids stuck in cave may have to wait until October to get out.

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Imagine dying in a cave without seeing ProudManlets legendary cock...



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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
You realize this occurred in Thailand and they were already out on a field trip before they decided to go to the cave, right?

How can you reasonably expect the coach to have been aware?
I don't know about you but I tend to plan things differently if there are thunderstorm and flood warnings out in my local area. I don't know if anything like that was available over there or if he was aware that there was potential for heavy rain that day. Once again, I'm not directing this to the specific event. This started with someone saying that flash flooding is not predictable. He was obviously directing that statement at this specific event, but all I was saying that in general, yes they are.
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Originally Posted By bullybreed⏩
I'm done going back and forth about this so this is all I'll say. I never said the coach could predict this. I'm saying that the possibility of flash floods occurring because of favorable conditions (much like other weather events) IS PREDICTABLE. That is the reason flash flood watches and warning occur. The nature of the flooding during an actual flash flood is the unpredictable part because areas of towns flood suddenly because of poor drainage or other reasons.
I don't see how anyone can argue this point here ^^ .

No, you can't predict a flash flood, and how severe it will be.

However I believe this cave was clearly marked/labeled as being dangerous and prone to flash floods. It was clear there is a high risk of it.
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post 1555567841 07-06-2018, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
I don't see how anyone can argue this point here ^^ .

No, you can't predict a flash flood, and how severe it will be.

However I believe this cave was clearly marked/labeled as being dangerous and prone to flash floods. It was clear there is a high risk of it.
Maybe I should rephrase this.

You can predict that conditions are favorable for flash flooding.
You are correct though you cannot predict how severe it will be.
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post 1555567871 07-06-2018, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
Imagine dying in a cave without seeing ProudManlets legendary cock...



Elon is going to walk into this and become a hero.
No, he is going to dream up some crazy situation with rescue robots that would never work.
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Originally Posted By bullybreed⏩
Maybe I should rephrase this.

You can predict that conditions are favorable for flash flooding.
You are correct though you cannot predict how severe it will be.
No need to rephrase, I'm agreeing with your point 100%.
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Originally Posted By LugosiNineOne⏩
No, he is going to dream up some crazy situation with rescue robots that would never work.
I don't see what he could possibly do that the experts there can't. The only options are pump water out or drill.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
No need to rephrase, I'm agreeing with your point 100%.
Ok lol sorry. Being attacked from all angles I misread your post.
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post 1555568721 07-06-2018, 10:44 AM
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ANYWAYS back on topic, instead of us all pretending to be meteorologists, geologists and cave divers........

This is looking very bleak for these kids. Subterranean caves can be some of the most unpredictable environments. It's taking 5 hours for highly trained divers to make it to the kids, you would have to triple that for someone with zero experience diving, or in this case even swimming.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
ANYWAYS back on topic, instead of us all pretending to be meteorologists, geologists and cave divers........

This is looking very bleak for these kids. Subterranean caves can be some of the most unpredictable environments. It's taking 5 hours for highly trained divers to make it to the kids, you would have to triple that for someone with zero experience diving, or in this case even swimming.
Ya it doesn't look good. Not to be a pessimist, and I hope they all make it, but they definitely have the odds against them.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
ANYWAYS back on topic, instead of us all pretending to be meteorologists, geologists and cave divers........

This is looking very bleak for these kids. Subterranean caves can be some of the most unpredictable environments.It's taking 5 hours for highly trained divers to make it to the kids, you would have to triple that for someone with zero experience diving, or in this case even swimming.
Yeah this is difficult. I read this morning about stages they will have setup at dry areas of the cave with oxygen and other supplies along the way, but it could take double that time to get one kid out.. But if it's going to rain more this weekend, those dry areas are going to fill up.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
ANYWAYS back on topic, instead of us all pretending to be meteorologists, geologists and cave divers........

This is looking very bleak for these kids. Subterranean caves can be some of the most unpredictable environments. It's taking 5 hours for highly trained divers to make it to the kids, you would have to triple that for someone with zero experience diving, or in this case even swimming.
It’s being reported they will try and pull them out later today. Seems by diving.

The drilling failed so only way out is via cave system.

The oxygen is dropping and a storm
Is on the way

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-decision-live
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"We’re still waiting for the press conference to begin, as it approaches midnight in Thailand.

There are unconfirmed reports circulating that the authorities may begin the rescue mission tonight due to fears that forecast torrential rains would further endanger the trapped football team.

Efforts today to find appropriate locations to drill a shaft down to the stranded footballers were unsuccessful, meaning that the only viable option out is via the tunnels.

Elsewhere, Elon Musk announced he is in contact with the Thai authorities and has sent a team of engineers from The Boring Company, who will accompany SpaceX employees to aid the rescue effort in Tham Luang.

If the boys successfully make it out in time, the FIFA President has invited them to be guests at the World Cup final in Moscow. What a story that would be.

Lol im sure these kids give a fuk about going to the World cup final after being stranded 1 mile underground for weeks.
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Originally Posted By eltoro24⏩
It’s being reported they will try and pull them out later today. Seems by diving.

The drilling failed so only way out is via cave system.

The oxygen is dropping and a storm
Is on the way

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...-decision-live
Damn sounds like last resort. Best chance to dive now before the storm hits I guess
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If the next attempt is indeed through diving then wow @ the balls and courage of the diver going in next knowing the first attempt ended in a fatality.
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Damn this sht is about to get real tight. Being forced to make a break for it. Nerve wracking man
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Can’t they teleport out?
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Question about drilling. So drilling down is out of the equation, but what about drilling THROUGH? like increasing the clearance horizontally to at least make the trek safer/easier to navigate? turn a cave like

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---....._____Elon's idea makes the most sense if I am understanding it correctly. Feed a tube in with oxygen, but fill the tunnel with a larger expanding tube to fill/conform to the surfaces to prevent water from entering. Like expanding insulation you spray into walls.
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This is an intense story because I keep imagining myself in that fuking cave. Palms sweaty. Knees spaghetti.
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[QUOTE=chino3;1555571191][QUOTE]Elon's idea makes the most sense if I am understanding it correctly. Feed a tube in with oxygen, but fill the tunnel with a larger expanding tube to fill/conform to the surfaces to prevent water from entering. Like expanding insulation you spray into walls.
[/QUOTE]Novel idea for sure, but unless this tube is already designed, built, and in transit to the site, it is probably too late to go that route. Same with drilling. If they cant keep the cave from filling up with more water, nothing else really matters.
I am surprised that they cant pump out more water than what they have but that may be a logistics issue also.
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This is an intense story because I keep imagining myself in that fuking cave. Palms sweaty. Knees spaghetti.
For real. And for the shotcallers in this rescue, too.
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I can see the film already. Photos of the cast (with their corresponding real-life counterpart).

The two alpha divers will consist of:

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[QUOTE=kcadrenalin;1555573171][QUOTE=chino3 post_id=1555571191]
Novel idea for sure, but unless this tube is already designed, built, and in transit to the site, it is probably too late to go that route. Same with drilling. If they cant keep the cave from filling up with more water, nothing else really matters.
I am surprised that they cant pump out more water than what they have but that may be a logistics issue also.[/QUOTE]I was reading on reddit about this whole thing and someone had a good point. The areas that are flooded will stay flooded for a while. The issue is that those areas its not just the water in the cave that are an issue. Its the water in the ground above the cave. You pump out the water but you've got half a mile of areas above the cave that could be flooded out too. As you drain the water out it just fills right back up. Almost gotta wonder if they gotta be careful how fast they try to drain the water too. Start sucking it out too fast and they could run the risk of parts of the caves actually collapsing. Obviously the caves flood every year but they gradually drain out. Start adding suction and it could weaken the structure.
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[QUOTE=kcadrenalin;1555573171][QUOTE=chino3 post_id=1555571191]
Novel idea for sure, but unless this tube is already designed, built, and in transit to the site, it is probably too late to go that route. Same with drilling. If they cant keep the cave from filling up with more water, nothing else really matters.
I am surprised that they cant pump out more water than what they have but that may be a logistics issue also.[/QUOTE]Yeah I like the idea but unless they can buy a few weeks time the reality is oxygen is running out and more rain is imminent so the cave will be flooded out soon. If they can't drill asap the only option is to wait and die or actually attempt a dangerous scuba rescue. Clock is ticking.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
Question about drilling. So drilling down is out of the equation, but what about drilling THROUGH? like increasing the clearance horizontally to at least make the trek safer/easier to navigate? turn a cave like

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---....._____Elon's idea makes the most sense if I am understanding it correctly. Feed a tube in with oxygen, but fill the tunnel with a larger expanding tube to fill/conform to the surfaces to prevent water from entering. Like expanding insulation you spray into walls.



They run the risk the cave collapsing by drilling into the cave like that. The structure of the cave could be pretty decent but nothing saying the surrounding rock would actually hold its shape.

Elons idea does make a lot of sense though. You arent risking a cave in by doing it that way.
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Originally Posted By bullybreed⏩
The unpredictability of a flash flood is because of the nature of the flooding during the event. Exactly what you quoted as how it fills normally dry areas very quickly. However, predicting that conditions are favorable for this to happen in the first place is common. It has just happened a lot recently where I live.

What is a flash flood watch?

According to the National Weather Service, issuing a flash flood watch indicates that the conditions are favorable for a flash flood. It does not guarantee that the area under the watch will endure a flash flood, but provides a heads up for area residents or visitors.

What is a flash flood warning?

A flash flood warning can mean that a flash flood is currently occurring or that a flash flood is imminent in the area under the advisory.


I'm done going back and forth about this so this is all I'll say. I never said the coach could predict this. I'm saying that the possibility of flash floods occurring because of favorable conditions (much like other weather events) IS PREDICTABLE. That is the reason flash flood watches and warning occur. The nature of the flooding during an actual flash flood is the unpredictable part because areas of towns flood suddenly because of poor drainage or other reasons.
Somehow I dont think rural Thailand has flash flood warnings.
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Originally Posted By bullybreed⏩
Maybe I should rephrase this.

You can predict that conditions are favorable for flash flooding.
You are correct though you cannot predict how severe it will be.
If you said it like this in the first place you probably wouldn't be getting gangbanged rn but I agree......BUT to be fair to them.....they entered the cave on June 23rd and even the warning signs say July onwards....it was just incredibly unlucky situation.
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Lol at some of you saying flash floods are unpredictable.
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