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For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Roman's 6:23
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Getting back to the op, he is right.
Jesus's last commandment in the book of Matthew is,
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age"
Jesus's last commandment in the book of Matthew is,
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age"
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10-01-2022, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Exactly. So when they quote from gospels “according to Paul “ don’t entertain that. Ask them what Jesus said. There is no Gospel of Jesus. A lot of the gospels are even according to (insert Disciple’s name), not the actual Disciple. Dead Sea Scrolls are not fully released and what they released were minor updates to the text. The Ebionites, Gnostic and Unitarian Christians that existed in Israel and Egypt were wiped out with Constantine including their libraries in Alexandria. There is no trinity. Just some paganism inserted to gain more followers. You can’t accept a book of God that is altered, full of scribe errors, and has parts missing.I want goodness for Christians, hence why I am trying to have convos.
A Christian scholar, one of the world's most renounce scholars, who is now a scholar in Christianity (he left Christianity) talks exactly about these issues of the manuscripts.
Aware on Paul - had a vision that Jesus appeared to him and all of a sudden you don't need to follow the old laws. Who is he and who granted him that? That's not evidence. Even the disciples had issues with Paul (Acts Chapter 17 and 21). He even lied to them straight to their face. Paul went to the Jews and said, "You don't need to follow the law anymore".
Even throw Constantine and who gave him authority over the Bible? Some Gospels were thrown out and some kept? What happened to the Gospels according to Mary Magdelin, according to Barnabus, etc? How did they decide what was cannon and wasn't? Shouldn't it have been Cannon from day 1?
A Christian scholar, one of the world's most renounce scholars, who is now a scholar in Christianity (he left Christianity) talks exactly about these issues of the manuscripts.
Aware on Paul - had a vision that Jesus appeared to him and all of a sudden you don't need to follow the old laws. Who is he and who granted him that? That's not evidence. Even the disciples had issues with Paul (Acts Chapter 17 and 21). He even lied to them straight to their face. Paul went to the Jews and said, "You don't need to follow the law anymore".
Even throw Constantine and who gave him authority over the Bible? Some Gospels were thrown out and some kept? What happened to the Gospels according to Mary Magdelin, according to Barnabus, etc? How did they decide what was cannon and wasn't? Shouldn't it have been Cannon from day 1?
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
I’m not sure if you are blatantly being dishonest or forgive me ignorant. Jesus is not the Father, But Jesus is God, just as the Father is God. Again, just like an egg, 3 distinct parts, that make up a single egg.I think we should just go our own ways tbh - we're just disagreeing at this point lol. To me, if God knows everything all the time, then he will never ever forget something at one point. Otherwise, that is not the definition of God we agreed to. The rest of your points don't even matter if we don't agree on who God is even. It says only the Father knows of it. Jesus in his humanity and in his divinity is never the Father.
Secondly, inheriting sin makes no sense to me. I'd prefer Allah since he just forgave Adam and Eve instead. He didn't blame Eve for making Adam fall; Adam sinned as well. Allah blamed them both and he simply forgave them after they repented. Allah can do that because he is all merciful. No one needs to die for God to forgive. Two of Allah's name is "The All Forgiving" and "The All Merciful". Killing an innocent man for my sins does not tell me mercy tbh. Forgiveness is the ability to take action, but you pardon it instead. That is the true definition of a merciful God. No one inherits sin from their parents; that makes no sense in reality. You are held accountable for what you do and no one else. That just makes more sense in reality and is innately in us. What did I do in order to be blamed for what Adam did? We don't even run society like that. Do we blame the Germans today for what Hitler did? That would be oppression.
Forget about religion even, just common sense. Idc what religion you believe, we all can agree that is purely wrong. Those Germans have nothing to do with what happened in the past. Similarly, I have nothing to do with what Adam and Eve did. God doesn't oppress us like that.
Feel free to reply and I wish you the best and if I said anything insulting, please forgive me. May Allah guide us all.
For Christians who are curious about the family of Imran (aka the Father of Mary) from a Muslim perspective. Similar to the Biblical narrative where Zakariya prayed to God for a son (who was John) and the story of Mary and Jesus Birth.
Secondly, inheriting sin makes no sense to me. I'd prefer Allah since he just forgave Adam and Eve instead. He didn't blame Eve for making Adam fall; Adam sinned as well. Allah blamed them both and he simply forgave them after they repented. Allah can do that because he is all merciful. No one needs to die for God to forgive. Two of Allah's name is "The All Forgiving" and "The All Merciful". Killing an innocent man for my sins does not tell me mercy tbh. Forgiveness is the ability to take action, but you pardon it instead. That is the true definition of a merciful God. No one inherits sin from their parents; that makes no sense in reality. You are held accountable for what you do and no one else. That just makes more sense in reality and is innately in us. What did I do in order to be blamed for what Adam did? We don't even run society like that. Do we blame the Germans today for what Hitler did? That would be oppression.
Forget about religion even, just common sense. Idc what religion you believe, we all can agree that is purely wrong. Those Germans have nothing to do with what happened in the past. Similarly, I have nothing to do with what Adam and Eve did. God doesn't oppress us like that.
Feel free to reply and I wish you the best and if I said anything insulting, please forgive me. May Allah guide us all.
For Christians who are curious about the family of Imran (aka the Father of Mary) from a Muslim perspective. Similar to the Biblical narrative where Zakariya prayed to God for a son (who was John) and the story of Mary and Jesus Birth.
Jesus did not forget anything lol. Again, he set aside His Deity while on Earth. Ad the Scripture makes clear. But I see now what your tactic is. Using one Scripture, that you misinterpret & must deny the entirety of Scripture is nothing new. It is lazy, & unoriginal, but a common tactic.
Until you understand Philippians 2:5-9..
“ Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.”
I guess there is little left to say. I can’t have a discussion with someone that ignores evidence. I guess I can only explain it one other way..if I wanted to communicate to a group of ants as a human being, and I was all powerful, the best way to communicate to ants is to temporarily become an ant. However I would not cease to be a human, while taking on the form of an ant…this is why the Scripture states..” but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.”
Do you understand now?
10-01-2022, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted By Kay4Kool⏩
Well, that's it. Where is the Bible from Jesus. Not according to John, etc.Exactly. So when they quote from gospels “according to Paul “ don’t entertain that. Ask them what Jesus said. There is no Gospel of Jesus. A lot of the gospels are even according to (insert Disciple’s name), not the actual Disciple. Dead Sea Scrolls are not fully released and what they released were minor updates to the text. The Ebionites, Gnostic and Unitarian Christians that existed in Israel and Egypt were wiped out with Constantine including their libraries in Alexandria. There is no trinity. Just some paganism inserted to gain more followers. You can’t accept a book of God that is altered, full of scribe errors, and has parts missing.
Who gave Paul or Constantine that authority?
Quran 2:79
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah" in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Originally Posted By Paul
I will never understand how God is all powerful and at the same time, God dying, God forgetting the day, hung on a cross for my sins and a God who prays to God. This isn't the concept of a perfect God to me. God has no flaws about him. He doesn't rest, he doesn't die, he doesn't need sustenance and doesn't pray to anyone. He is the provider.Do you understand now?
Allah makes a powerful example on how Jesus could never be God - he used to eat food. Anything that requires food can never be God.
Quran 5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger before whom many Messengers have passed away; and his mother adhered wholly to truthfulness, and they both ate food (as other mortals do). See how We make Our signs clear to them; and see where they are turning away!
The Arab Pagans asked Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) to describe his lord to them. Chapter 112 of the Quran was revealed, a perfect God from all aspect.
Quran 112
Say, ˹O Prophet, ˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺.
Allah—the Sustainer ˹needed by all˺.
He has never had offspring, nor was He born.
And there is none comparable to Him.”
Jesus prayed to the Father so I will pray to the entity that Jesus also prayed to; just like how all the Prophets prayed. Why is it none of the old Prophets ever teach a trinity or that Jesus died for their sins? They always said God is one. They said you are accountable for what you do.
How can I pray to someone when that someone prayed to someone else? I'll continuing praying the way that all the Prophets prayed too - by bowing with their heads to the ground, just as Jesus did, to Allah (Allah is the name in Arabic; in Aramaic, it is Alah/Elah).
Genesis 17:3
And Abram fell on his face
Genesis 17:17
Then Abraham fell upon his face
Exodus 34:8
And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
Joshua 7:6-7
And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face
Numbers 16:20-22
And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces
Matthew 26:36-39
Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gesthemane, and saith unto his disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be very sorrowful and heavy. Then saith he unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death; tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou Wilt.
2:136
Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Let’s make this real simple..Well, that's it. Where is the Bible from Jesus. Not according to John, etc.
Who gave Paul or Constantine that authority?
Quran 2:79
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah" in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
I will never understand how God is all powerful and at the same time, God dying, God forgetting the day, hung on a cross for my sins and a God who prays to God. This isn't the concept of a perfect God to me. God has no flaws about him. He doesn't rest, he doesn't die, he doesn't need sustenance and doesn't pray to anyone. He is the provider.
Allah makes a powerful example on how Jesus could never be God - he used to eat food. Anything that requires food can never be God.
Quran 5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger before whom many Messengers have passed away; and his mother adhered wholly to truthfulness, and they both ate food (as other mortals do). See how We make Our signs clear to them; and see where they are turning away!
The Arab Pagans asked Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) to describe his lord to them. Chapter 112 of the Quran was revealed, a perfect God from all aspect.
Quran 112
Say, ˹O Prophet, ˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺.
Allah—the Sustainer ˹needed by all˺.
He has never had offspring, nor was He born.
And there is none comparable to Him.”
Jesus prayed to the Father so I will pray to the entity that Jesus also prayed to; just like how all the Prophets prayed. Why is it none of the old Prophets ever teach a trinity or that Jesus died for their sins? They always said God is one. They said you are accountable for what you do.
How can I pray to someone when that someone prayed to someone else? I'll continuing praying the way that all the Prophets prayed too - by bowing with their heads to the ground, just as Jesus did, to Allah (Allah is the name in Arabic; in Aramaic, it is Alah/Elah).
Genesis 17:3
And Abram fell on his face
Genesis 17:17
Then Abraham fell upon his face
Exodus 34:8
And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
Joshua 7:6-7
And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face
Numbers 16:20-22
And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces
Matthew 26:36-39
Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gesthemane, and saith unto his disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be very sorrowful and heavy. Then saith he unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death; tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou Wilt.
Who gave Paul or Constantine that authority?
Quran 2:79
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah" in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
I will never understand how God is all powerful and at the same time, God dying, God forgetting the day, hung on a cross for my sins and a God who prays to God. This isn't the concept of a perfect God to me. God has no flaws about him. He doesn't rest, he doesn't die, he doesn't need sustenance and doesn't pray to anyone. He is the provider.
Allah makes a powerful example on how Jesus could never be God - he used to eat food. Anything that requires food can never be God.
Quran 5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger before whom many Messengers have passed away; and his mother adhered wholly to truthfulness, and they both ate food (as other mortals do). See how We make Our signs clear to them; and see where they are turning away!
The Arab Pagans asked Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) to describe his lord to them. Chapter 112 of the Quran was revealed, a perfect God from all aspect.
Quran 112
Say, ˹O Prophet, ˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺.
Allah—the Sustainer ˹needed by all˺.
He has never had offspring, nor was He born.
And there is none comparable to Him.”
Jesus prayed to the Father so I will pray to the entity that Jesus also prayed to; just like how all the Prophets prayed. Why is it none of the old Prophets ever teach a trinity or that Jesus died for their sins? They always said God is one. They said you are accountable for what you do.
How can I pray to someone when that someone prayed to someone else? I'll continuing praying the way that all the Prophets prayed too - by bowing with their heads to the ground, just as Jesus did, to Allah (Allah is the name in Arabic; in Aramaic, it is Alah/Elah).
Genesis 17:3
And Abram fell on his face
Genesis 17:17
Then Abraham fell upon his face
Exodus 34:8
And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
Joshua 7:6-7
And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face
Numbers 16:20-22
And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces
Matthew 26:36-39
Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gesthemane, and saith unto his disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be very sorrowful and heavy. Then saith he unto them, my soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death; tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou Wilt.
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
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Originally Posted By Paul
This is a paradox; a human is not God and God is not a human. 100% God and 100% human will never exist in reality.Let’s make this real simple..
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
God cannot set aside his divinity; that is the definition of God. You are playing a dangerous game here because if what you are saying is this, then God can cease to exist if he wants according to your logic.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
You did not answer the question even though I tried to keep it as simple as possibleThis is a paradox; a human is not God and God is not a human. 100% God and 100% human will never exist in reality.
God cannot set aside his divinity; that is the definition of God. You are playing a dangerous game here because if what you are saying is this, then God can cease to exist if he wants according to your logic.
God cannot set aside his divinity; that is the definition of God. You are playing a dangerous game here because if what you are saying is this, then God can cease to exist if he wants according to your logic.
God is not obligated nor constricted to our reality, because He is God, and operates outside of the reality He created. He is not subject to laws in which He made.
Now, can you answer the question?
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
10-01-2022, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
I will never understand God taking any forms firstly or being some he isn't, so the question doesn't register to me.You did not answer the question even though I tried to keep it as simple as possible
God is not obligated nor constricted to our reality, because He is God, and operates outside of the reality He created. He is not subject to laws in which He made.
Now, can you answer the question?
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
God is not obligated nor constricted to our reality, because He is God, and operates outside of the reality He created. He is not subject to laws in which He made.
Now, can you answer the question?
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
When God becomes flesh and was baby Jesus, was that baby dependent on Mary? Was that the same one who is at the same time the all-powerful? Is that the same God that says in the O.T. that David wanting to build a home for him and yet the womb of Mary was sufficient for?
1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!
The same flesh that no one can look at and live?
Exodus 33:20
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
2:136
Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Set aside what you think you know about The Bible. Focus on basic grammar here..I will never understand God taking any forms firstly or being some he isn't, so the question doesn't register to me.
When God becomes flesh and was baby Jesus, was that baby dependent on Mary? Was that the same one who is at the same time the all-powerful? Is that the same God that says in the O.T. that David wanting to build a home for him and yet the womb of Mary was sufficient for?
1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!
The same flesh that no one can look at and live?
Exodus 33:20
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
When God becomes flesh and was baby Jesus, was that baby dependent on Mary? Was that the same one who is at the same time the all-powerful? Is that the same God that says in the O.T. that David wanting to build a home for him and yet the womb of Mary was sufficient for?
1 Kings 8:27
But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!
The same flesh that no one can look at and live?
Exodus 33:20
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
It’s a simple Yes or No…
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Better yet do you know what faith means?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Shabbat Shalom brahSet aside what you think you know about The Bible. Focus on basic grammar here..
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
Do you understand what words “taking the form of” “setting aside” & “likeness” means?
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So, believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Allah offers no salvation, and no assurance of an afterlife other than hell. He was a false prophet..infact, He only made one true prophecy, he said that before he dies, he will return to Mecca, which is like me saying, before I die, I’ll go back to Chicago.Shabbat Shalom brah
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So, believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So, believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Haven’t been following most posts ITT because inter-religious/theological debates are often filled with babble. But I notice you seem to be critical of parts of the Bible (which is reasonable). while at the same time not showing an ounce of criticism or skepticism towards your own book. This is dishonest, and decidedlynotthe way to go about understanding truth or facts about the world.Shabbat Shalom brah
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So, believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture. do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So, believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
May as well ask the basics which I would start with for any fundamentalist Christian:
-Is the earth flat?
-Is the earth billions of years old, ~4.5 billion years old?
-Is the earth just a small rock in an enormously vast universe with billions of galaxies, almost innumerable stars?
-Is evolution a fact and the explanation for the diversity of life on earth?
-Do we share a common ancestor with literal chimps, and humans evolved from ancestral primate species, or was there a ‘first pair’ of humans created from scratch?
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10-02-2022, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Christianity and Islam are very similar; the key difference is Jesus. I'd rather talk with people who believe they have a creator tbh as we have commonality and a starting point even though we might differ.Haven’t been following most posts ITT because inter-religious/theological debates are often filled with babble. But I notice you seem to be critical of parts of the Bible (which is reasonable). while at the same time not showing an ounce of criticism or skepticism of your own book. This is dishonest, and decidedlynotthe way to go about understanding truth or facts about the world.
May as well ask the basics which I would start with for any fundamentalist Christian:
-Is the earth flat?
-Is the earth billions of years old, ~4.5 billion years old?
-Is the earth just a small rock in an enormously vast universe with billions of galaxies, almost innumerable stars?
-Is evolution a fact and the explanation for the diversity of life on earth?
-Do we share a common ancestor with literal chimps, and humans evolved from ancestral primate species, or was there a ‘first pair’ of humans created from scratch?
Go.
May as well ask the basics which I would start with for any fundamentalist Christian:
-Is the earth flat?
-Is the earth billions of years old, ~4.5 billion years old?
-Is the earth just a small rock in an enormously vast universe with billions of galaxies, almost innumerable stars?
-Is evolution a fact and the explanation for the diversity of life on earth?
-Do we share a common ancestor with literal chimps, and humans evolved from ancestral primate species, or was there a ‘first pair’ of humans created from scratch?
Go.
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
10-02-2022, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Surely you have a position on those yes/no questions. Not that an opinion matters since we are talking about established facts, but it’s a good way to gauge just how out of tune with reality someone really is.Christianity and Islam are very similar; the key difference is Jesus. I'd rather talk with people who believe they have a creator tbh as we have commonality and a starting point even though we might differ.
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10-02-2022, 08:43 AM
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Good morning Brothers and Sisters of Christ. Remember like the OP says it is OUR duty to share the faith hope of love of Christ to others. Some may think we are progressing, however if you look around you will see the writing on the wall of a soon to be collapse, the last few years has been a bit of a dry run.
Read psalm 91 and remember those you abide in Christ shall have eternal life.
If anyone is ready to reconcile their relationship with God feel free to message me and we can go through the ABC's of Salvation together.
Read psalm 91 and remember those you abide in Christ shall have eternal life.
If anyone is ready to reconcile their relationship with God feel free to message me and we can go through the ABC's of Salvation together.
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10-02-2022, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Nope not really; I think the one who rejects a creator completly is rather a good way to gauge how out of tune with reality someone really is.Surely you have a position on those yes/no questions. Not that an opinion matters since we are talking about established facts, but it’s a good way to gauge just how out of tune with reality someone really is.
Quran 109:6
You have your way and I have mine
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Dont be discouraged by people who think you can switch genders.
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10-02-2022, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Actually yes, subscribing to unevidenced creators is a way to gauge how out of tune with reality someone is, but that's besides the point.Nope not really; I think the one who rejects a creator completly is rather a good way to gauge how out of tune with reality someone really is.
Quran 109:6
You have your way and I have mine
Quran 109:6
You have your way and I have mine
You wont answer yes/no questions about elementary scientific facts? what? To your quote, there is no 'my way, your way' in terms of facts like the earth being round. We arent talking about which Netflix show we prefer, it's just an evidenced fact lol.
What's amusing to me is: if I asked other factual questions, oh idk, say...
-Is 28 an even number?
-Is pi a number between 3.14 and 3.15?
-Do squares have 4 sides?
-Do atoms exist?
-Do objects fall because of gravity?
These wouldnt bother you, or some Christian fundamentalist as much, since they are not contradicting various aspects of their scriptures (with perhaps the exception of the second, which the bible gives a terrible approximation for). I mean you wouldnt have a problem simply responding...sure 28 is even. But when it comes to other basic fact questions like the above about the earth and evolution...it's this discomfort, unwillingness to answer, opposition. This is amusing.
Since you are not answering, I will assume at least one of your answers to the above is wrong, which equals out of tune with basic evidenced facts and reality. In other words, fantasy la-la land.
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10-02-2022, 09:49 AM
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LOL GOD PUT ALL THE RADIOACTIVE ISOTOPES THERE IN THE EXACT CORRECT PROPORTIONS TO TRICK US INTO THINKING THE EARTH IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD BECAUSE HE IS A HUMBLE, BENEVOLENT, AND MERCIFUL GOD LOL
THAT'S WHY HE LETS KIDS DIE SLOWLY TO LEUKEMIA LOL THEY PROBABLY DID SOMETHING BAD ANYWAY HABAHAHABA
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THAT'S WHY HE LETS KIDS DIE SLOWLY TO LEUKEMIA LOL THEY PROBABLY DID SOMETHING BAD ANYWAY HABAHAHABA
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10-02-2022, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
SrsDont be discouraged by people who think you can switch genders.
Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
You have your way (Whatever belief system you want. Evolution, etc.)Actually yes, subscribing to unevidenced creators is a way to gauge how out of tune with reality someone is, but that's besides the point.
You wont answer yes/no questions about elementary scientific facts? what? To your quote, there is no 'my way, your way' in terms of facts like the earth being round. We arent talking about which Netflix show we prefer, it's just an evidenced fact lol.
What's amusing to me is: if I asked other factual questions, oh idk, say...
-Is 28 an even number?
-Is pi a number between 3.14 and 3.15?
-Do square have 4 sides?
-Do atoms exist?
-Do objects fall because of gravity?
These wouldnt bother you, or some Christian fundamentalist as much, since they are not contracting various aspects of their scriptures (with perhaps the exception of the second, which the bible gives a terrible approximation for). I mean you wouldnt have a problem simply responding...sure 28 is even. But when it comes to other basic fact questions like the above...it's this discomfort, unwillingness to answer, opposition. This is amusing.
Since you are not answering, I will assume at least one of your answers to the above is no, which equals out of tune with basic evidenced facts and reality. In other words, fantasy la-la land.
You wont answer yes/no questions about elementary scientific facts? what? To your quote, there is no 'my way, your way' in terms of facts like the earth being round. We arent talking about which Netflix show we prefer, it's just an evidenced fact lol.
What's amusing to me is: if I asked other factual questions, oh idk, say...
-Is 28 an even number?
-Is pi a number between 3.14 and 3.15?
-Do square have 4 sides?
-Do atoms exist?
-Do objects fall because of gravity?
These wouldnt bother you, or some Christian fundamentalist as much, since they are not contracting various aspects of their scriptures (with perhaps the exception of the second, which the bible gives a terrible approximation for). I mean you wouldnt have a problem simply responding...sure 28 is even. But when it comes to other basic fact questions like the above...it's this discomfort, unwillingness to answer, opposition. This is amusing.
Since you are not answering, I will assume at least one of your answers to the above is no, which equals out of tune with basic evidenced facts and reality. In other words, fantasy la-la land.
And I have mine (I believe in the creator of the heavens and earth and that we shall certainly return to him)
Quran 11:38
And he (Noah) constructed the ship, and whenever an assembly of the eminent of his people passed by him, they ridiculed him. He said, "If you ridicule us, then we will ridicule you just as you ridicule.
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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It's amazing how many non believers are in a thread for believers. It is has if the threads they make for themselves are not fulfilling enough for them, which is probably true, so they decided to come here, which isnt ironic because We believers know that the only thing what will fulfill you is a life through Jesus Christ.
If you feel like you have an emptiness inside of you it's because you do, theres a hole missing out of you when you're not in fellowship with God, the only thing that will fill the hole is a Holy God.
If you feel like you have an emptiness inside of you it's because you do, theres a hole missing out of you when you're not in fellowship with God, the only thing that will fill the hole is a Holy God.
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10-02-2022, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
LOL MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE RETARDS ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED LOLIt's amazing how many non believers are in a thread for believers. It is has if the threads they make for themselves are not fulfilling enough for them, which is probably true, so they decided to come here, which isnt ironic because We believers know that the only thing what will fulfill you is a life through Jesus Christ.
If you feel like you have an emptiness inside of you it's because you do, theres a hole missing out of you when you're not in fellowship with God, the only thing that will fill the hole is a Holy God.
If you feel like you have an emptiness inside of you it's because you do, theres a hole missing out of you when you're not in fellowship with God, the only thing that will fill the hole is a Holy God.
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Originally Posted By lmaowned⏩
What do you think is responsible for your outburst of anger?LOL MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE RETARDS ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO DESTROY EVERYTHING SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED LOL
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Again, these are elementary scientifically evidenced facts, not beliefs. "The earth is round" is not a belief system smh.Srs
You have your way (Whatever belief system you want. Evolution, etc.)
And I have mine (I believe in the creator of the heavens and earth and that we shall certainly return to him)
Quran 11:38
And he (Noah) constructed the ship, and whenever an assembly of the eminent of his people passed by him, they ridiculed him. He said, "If you ridicule us, then we will ridicule you just as you ridicule.
You have your way (Whatever belief system you want. Evolution, etc.)
And I have mine (I believe in the creator of the heavens and earth and that we shall certainly return to him)
Quran 11:38
And he (Noah) constructed the ship, and whenever an assembly of the eminent of his people passed by him, they ridiculed him. He said, "If you ridicule us, then we will ridicule you just as you ridicule.
See last post. Seek basic science literacy.
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10-02-2022, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
DEALING WITH RETARDS LOL IMAGINE PEOPLE STRUGGLING WITH 400 YEAR OLD MATH AND PHYSICS AND CHIT IN 2022 LOLWhat do you think is responsible for your outburst of anger?
YOU NEED A GRADUATE DEGREE TO UNDERSTAND MATH FROM 200 YEARS AGO LOL THAT'S FUKIN SAD BRO. OUR SPECIES IS BECOMING TOO SPECIALIZED AND IT IS CAUSING FRAGMENTATION BECAUSE OF ALL THE FUKKEN IDIOTS LOL
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Is that really a valid reason for your peace to be disturbed?
Are you not worried where your anger will take you?
The bible says your anger will lead you to death.
Are you not worried where your anger will take you?
The bible says your anger will lead you to death.
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