They aren't universal though. One could easily imagine a civilization that has different laws. What rule is there to make it truly objective? Sounds subjective to me. Sounds like it's just based on collective opinion...

of course they are distinct, you dolt, why tf would you ever think they are not?

you are burying yourself here.

Unfortunately, appeals to consequences don't define truth.

You are saying one is a type of the other and yet they are distinct. You are using them two different ways.

What is the highest physics course you took at an accredited university?

Ok but what does good mean? Even if you don't want to answer that, is a collection of good things good? Is a collection of good things more good than the individual things it is comprised of? Be careful with both of these.

quote me

so far you still have shown you do not understand what antimatter is

yes we had slavery back then, burning people on stakes, far higher murder, crime rates, raping pillaging . What is your metric? Let me guess, pornhub? trannies?

The fact you think society was more moral 2000 years ago is just lul..

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try again

slavery was ended by Christians..you get that..right?

Exodus 20:13
“You shall not murder."

This is universal. Murder is a crime pretty much everywhere. Am I wrong?

This is literal nonsense.

Why are you ignoring my second question? What are your qualifications in physics? I already know you haven't taken any courses which is why there is no point even trying to explain anything to you.

So a thing is true because you want it to be true and it maybe makes you feel better?

Wanna post Degree's?

I went to SDSU, where did you go? Worked two jobs while going to school and bought my first house at 23..what did you do in life?

now stop deflecting, you made an accusation, so quote me.

Actually, yes. Different places have different definitions of murder. It isn't objectively defined what is and is not murder. There are many exceptions and gray areas.

Truth is true only when it's the truth.

You have a degree in physics? I need to know your mathematics and physics background to even begin to explain any of these concepts to you. (I know you don't have one in physics. That much is obvious from this discussion.)

Also strong misuse of apostrophes.

It wasn't. Its literally endorsed in the bible. They also fought against the civil rights act. Whats the most racist region in the US today? The religious south. GG.

Your assertion is that society is becomingmoremoral?Is slavery being ended by religious men over 100 years ago your argument for modern day secular society being more moral?

Society is currently in shambles. We are on a downward spiral; hedonism, narcissism and sexual degeneracy plagues us at every turn. People no longer know what is a man and what is a woman. The whole system is inverted.

If you can't see that, I suggest you read the Bible and follow God's word. Your conscience and innate moral standards He gave you have been corrupted.

Great so then your original argument in no way establishes that there's a god.

So far you have proved you are an idiot that only has the ability to copy and paste someone else's work..stop deflecting

First you claimed to be an expert in economics, now you're an expert in mathematics and physics. It might be shorter if you just told us what you're not an expert in.

Actually it was, and it was never endorsed, God gave specific rules for how to treat slaves, because the Jews as well as much of the rest of the world had slaves. But God never endorsed it.

And yes, Christians did end slavery. In fact we see this with Jefferson himself in a letter to King George.

Slavery was brought over to America from its practices in Europe, it was also being practiced (& many argue that America learned slavery from there hence the Atlantic Slave Trade) in Africa, as it is today, but more on that later. Jefferson himself, as the majority of the American Colonists opposed slavery under the reign of King George. In fact KG PREVENTED legislation from the American colonies to ban slavery..
Thomas Jefferson:
"He (KG)has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights to life & liberty in the presence of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere.
Determined to keep open a murder where menshould be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce."
(Side note ..ex·e·cra·ble
/ˈeksəkrəb(ə)l/
adjective
extremely bad or unpleasant/appalling.)

Ethered.

Somewhat. Religion is a double edged sword. If people don't go out robbing and killing people because they think they'll go to hell for eternity, and if it compels people to be a good person, then yes religion is good and necessary even if it's mainly false/fiction. But on the other hand, people can use religion for evil purposes such as terrorism or as a way to control people.

Wait, you think Dems out supported the Civil rights act and not Conservative Christians? Are you serious?

Civil Rights Act
The House:
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

The Senate :
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

So more Republicans supported the Civil Rights act than Dems.

You also must have forgot the Eisenhower in 57 that the Dems forced him to water down to get passed.

You probably say that the racist Dems jump ship after the Civil Rights act. So heres a list of Racists in the government at the time:

Notable Dixiecrats who remained Democratics after 1964:

Rep. John Rarick D-LA
Commissioner of Public Safety Bull Connor D-AL

Racist & Segregationist Democratic Party Governors:

Gov. Orval Faubus D-AR
Gov. Frank M. Dixon D-AL
Gov. Benjamin Travis Laney D-AR
Gov. William H. Murray D-OK
Gov. George Wallace D-AL
Gov. Lester Maddox D-GA
Gov. Fielding Wright D-MS

Racist & Segregationist Democratic Party Senators:

Sen. B. Everett Jordan D-NC
Sen. A. Willis Robertson D-V
Sen. Olin D. Johnston D-SC
Sen. Sam Ervin D-NC
Sen. J. Lister Hill D-AL
Sen. John C. Stennis D-MS
Sen. James Eastland D-MS
Sen. Allen J. Ellender D-LA
Sen. Russell B. Long D-LA
Sen. John Sparkman D-AL
Sen. John “Little” McClellan D-AR
Sen. Richard Russell, Jr. D-GA
Sen. Herman Talmadge D-GA
Sen. Robert Carlyle Byrd D-WV
Sen. Harry F. Byrd D-V
Sen. Al Gore, Sr. D-TN
Sen. Spessard Holland D-FL
Sen. Herbert S. Walters D-TN
Sen. George Smathers D-FL

Here is a list of all those that switched parties:

Gov. Mills E. Godwin, Jr. D-VA
Sen. Jesse Helms, Jr. D-NC
Sen. Strom Thurmond D-SC


But yeah... it was all the "liberal north v conservative south" right?

fukin retards in here

Still waiting for someone to do this, but they keep derailing.

So far, Paul Kreul has volunteered an explanation: "Jews".

This is not a mathematical model or a presentation of evidence. Pretty unconvincing. Anyone else want to give it a go?

I gave you mathematical evidence, you fell on your face as always. Time, matter and space cannot exist independent of each other.That is a fact, learn basic physics.

And if you are going to say they can, you need to prove it.

be specific.

Good means morally excellent.

Good means of high quality.

Good means kind and friendly.

God is good.

PRAiSE WHiTE JEsUS

Murder is definitely objectively defined.

That's why we have courts to solve through the gray areas and exceptions.

Surely a collection of good things is more good right? But then there is no maximal element.