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post 1524269081 10-29-2017, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
unless you're mounting your scope to a base that's 1/100th of an inch off of alignment, in which case Burris signature rings are the best, and you get to tell your customer that their $400 Spuhr mount is worthless.
I don’t follow. Please explain how those rings are better than any other in spec rings or one piece mount when the base is out of spec.

An lol at a Spuhr being worthless. If I ever want to get rid of it, they retain their value quite well. Probably a lot better than anything Burris makes.
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Originally Posted By Aaron47pb⏩
I don’t follow. Please explain how those rings are better than any other in spec rings or one piece mount when the base is out of spec.

An lol at a Spuhr being worthless. If I ever want to get rid of it, they retain their value quite well. Probably a lot better than anything Burris makes.
They can be adjusted within the ring itself to bring the optic in line with the bore, even if the mount is drilled to the receiver incorrectly.
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Dead serious, these are the rings Swaro and Kahles recommend:https://www.burrisoptics.com/signature-rings

I'd never even heard of them.
You've never heard of them because you don't actually know ****. You've been working for a glass company for all of a week and now you're already acting like an expert in all things optics. Fuking please.


Unrelated note, I'm 7 shots deep in Woodford Reserve on a sunday night when I have to be at work at 5am. YOLO?

What should I drunk buy?

I've been doing really good with binge drinking for like the past 6 months, but damn this feels good.....
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
My experience with mounting options isn't as great as yours, since I've only ever used a Burris PEPR (did not like), my ADM Recon-X (which I've been very happy with on my Trijicon Accupoint 1-4) , and a set of Vortex Precision Matched rings. (which have been great for my Vortex)

I'm just telling you offhand that "Burris Signature" is the only set of rings getting discussed by our tech support guys.

I was really impressed with how light the Aero SPR Ultralight was, and hadn't heard anything negative about them, hence the recommendation.


EDIT: I also had an ADM Recon that was not an extended model that I hated because the eye relief was inadequate.
Vortex rings are made by Seekins. They are great rings, and probably the least expensive rings to use on expensive glass. Again, ADM mounts are nice, but they can be hard to keep torqued properly. The return to zero, from what I've read and seen in online vids isn't great.

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post 1524269521 10-29-2017, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Aaron47pb⏩
I don’t follow. Please explain how those rings are better than any other in spec rings or one piece mount when the base is out of spec.

An lol at a Spuhr being worthless. If I ever want to get rid of it, they retain their value quite well. Probably a lot better than anything Burris makes.
Spuhr crew.
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post 1524269641 10-29-2017, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
They can be adjusted within the ring itself to bring the optic in line with the bore, even if themount is drilled to the receiver incorrectly.
You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
They can be adjusted within the ring itself to bring the optic in line with the bore, even if the mount is drilled to the receiver incorrectly.
But then the scope is being held with plastic inserts. Again, I've felt ok with that on a .22 but would not trust that on a centerfire rifle.

Old chitty pic, but you get the idea.

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post 1524270101 10-29-2017, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
They can be adjusted within the ring itself to bring the optic in line with the bore, even if the mount is drilled to the receiver incorrectly.
Kind of like what an erector assembly in a scope does?
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The Burris rings self align, with out of spec bases, via plastic inserts that can slide in the ring housing. That's what he means by that aligning part
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Originally Posted By Sp3cialK⏩
The Burris rings self align, with out of spec bases, via plastic inserts that can slide in the ring housing. That's what he means by that aligning part
Probably should have said base instead of mount then.
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preferred deer hunting rifle?
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Originally Posted By paulpfiction⏩
preferred deer hunting rifle?
Cheytac .408
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I see an AR pistol build soon MFC
Why
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Originally Posted By paulpfiction⏩
preferred deer hunting rifle?
Anything in .243/.260/6.5 creedmoor.

6mm/6.5mm FTW.
post 1524271631 10-29-2017, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By spirit750⏩
You've never heard of them because you don't actually know ****. You've been working for a glass company for all of a week and now you're already acting like an expert in all things optics. Fuking please.


Unrelated note, I'm 7 shots deep in Woodford Reserve on a sunday night when I have to be at work at 5am. YOLO?

What should I drunk buy?

I've been doing really good with binge drinking for like the past 6 months, but damn this feels good.....
Of the 40 hours I've been with the company, probably 20 of them have been talking about interior scope geometry and scope mounting. I am not an expert, but this has been what I've been focused on for the last week, learning from a guy who's been either physically repairing scopes or doing customer service/tech support on them for the last 10 years. I've heard "are you mounting your scope to the manufacturer's specs with an inch-lbs torque wrench" a lot. I've heard zero mentions of "are you using vertically mounted rings."
Originally Posted By Aaron47pb⏩
Kind of like what an erector assembly in a scope does?
If you have enough adjustment in your scope, yes. However, if you run out your windage, you can limit your elevation range depending on the geometry of your elevation system. Your internal adjustments in your scope are for dialing corrections, not correcting mounting issues.
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post 1524272151 10-29-2017, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted By spirit750⏩
You've never heard of them because you don't actually know ****. You've been working for a glass company for all of a week and now you're already acting like an expert in all things optics. Fuking please.


Unrelated note, I'm 7 shots deep in Woodford Reserve on a sunday night when I have to be at work at 5am. YOLO?

What should I drunk buy?

I've been doing really good with binge drinking for like the past 6 months, but damn this feels good.....
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Originally Posted By spirit750⏩
Probably should have said base instead of mount then.
If Bob's receiver is drilled to slightly out of spec, the base that is put into those holes will be out of alignment, as will any 1-piece mount (and most rings).
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post 1524272531 10-29-2017, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Sp3cialK⏩
Cheytac .408
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[QUOTE=iifymbro post_id=1524272531][img]https://wallpapershome.com/images/wallpapers/m200-3888x2592-cheytac-intervention-408-chey-tac-sniper-rifle-scope-1507.jp/img][/QUOTE]I'm not chasing the deer around.
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post 1524272921 10-29-2017, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
If you have enough adjustment in your scope, yes. However, if you run out your windage, you can limit your elevation range depending on the geometry of your elevation system. Your internal adjustments in your scope are for dialing corrections, not correcting mounting issues.
Sure. But that’s literally what you do when zeroing a rifle. The nice thing about buying high quality rings/mounts is that they are in spec and when swapping scopes between rifles, it’s usually takes a few tenths of a mil to zero.

Your argument is a straw man at best. There is no legitimate reason to use rings with plastic inserts on anything with more recoil than a rimfire.
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Originally Posted By Aaron47pb⏩
Sure. But that’s literally what you do when zeroing a rifle. The nice thing about buying high quality rings/mounts is that they are in spec and when swapping scopes between rifles, it’s usually takes a few tenths of a mil to zero.

Your argument is a straw man at best. There is no legitimate reason to use rings with plastic inserts on anything with more recoil than a rimfire.
So, it's not my argument, it's the argument I'm hearing all day at work.

Quality rings and mounts are in spec to each other, and to the base they're mounted to, none of which is helpful if the base is not perfectly alligned to the bore.


EDIT: I also specifically asked about one-piece mounts, when this was brought up for further clarification.
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie⏩
Thoughts on Mossberg 590 Tactical? 9 shot w/ heat shield
Well, it's one of the two most popular shotgun designs in the world over the last 60 years so there's that...
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preferred deer hunting rifle?
right now it's my ar in 6.8 spc
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I just imagine a lot of movement available under recoil. The rings aren't even part of the mount.



Vs GOAT

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[QUOTE=Sp3cialK post_id=1524276181]I just imagine a lot of movement available under recoil. The rings aren't even part of the mount.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/vz9rloD.png[img]

Vs GOAT

[img]https://i.imgur.com/E6hW5GQ.jpg[mg][/QUOTE]I don't even know what's considered a base/mount/ring/scope anymore.

Also, I would like for you to STFU about Spuhr. I would rather imagine it doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted By Sp3cialK⏩
I just imagine a lot of movement available under recoil. The rings aren't even part of the mount.



Vs GOAT

and that's where matching your mount to your intended use also comes in. ADM recommends the Delta for harder recoiling rifles (like a SCAR)

https://www.americandefensemanufactu...w/product/362/

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[QUOTE=Ikeman83 post_id=1524276641]and that's where matching your mount to your intended use also comes in. ADM recommends the Delta for harder recoiling rifles (like a SCAR)

[URL=https://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/362/]https://www.americandefensemanufactu...w/product/362/[/URL]

[img]https://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/img/product/578039dbf323b0aeed646e8b86550001.jpg[/ig][/QUOTE]Weird. I didn't know they made a different mount.


Note the horizontal rings.
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