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post 1491900541 04-21-2017, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted By HockeyBacon18⏩
do only power lifters want to maintain their strength? If your benching 315 do you think your going to build more muscle post cut if you lose strength and only bench 275 or if you lose minimal strength and bench 305?
So you are saying that a bodybuilder should reduce volume on key body parts (see: lateral/posterior deltoids, arms, hamstrings..) straight away when going on a deficit and focus on strength oriented training instead? That is pure nonsense.

You should always train in a manner that maximizes hypertrophy. Depending on your starting point, you can still improve during the early phases of the deficit. As time goes on, your overall training volume will more or less autoregulate itself. It would be detrimental just to cut down your training volume straight away.
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Originally Posted By Jherewhoisdere⏩
So you are saying that a bodybuilder should reduce volume on key body parts (see: lateral/posterior deltoids, arms, hamstrings..) straight away when going on a deficit and focus on strength oriented training instead? That is pure nonsense.

You should always train in a manner that maximizes hypertrophy. Depending on your starting point, you can still improve during the early phases of the deficit. As time goes on, your overall training volume will more or less autoregulate itself. It would be detrimental just to cut down your training volume straight away.
Got to agree here ... as you get lower in cals and carbs (especially if prepping) you really won't be able to go past a certain point at the gym ... and you'll know that point alright. When dieting i prefer pump workouts. 1 body part per day - maybe two. Tons of reps, tons of sets, and entirely focusing on the pump/squeeze. That's me personally, though.
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Originally Posted By Jherewhoisdere⏩
So you are saying that a bodybuilder should reduce volume on key body parts (see: lateral/posterior deltoids, arms, hamstrings..) straight away when going on a deficit and focus on strength oriented training instead? That is pure nonsense.

You should always train in a manner that maximizes hypertrophy. Depending on your starting point, you can still improve during the early phases of the deficit. As time goes on, your overall training volume will more or less autoregulate itself. It would be detrimental just to cut down your training volume straight away.
i was more suggesting that instead of doing say a 3x8 for bench (typical bodybuilding scheme) to switch to a 5x5 instead.

but if mccoy agrees, theres a good chance you should listen to him over me
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Originally Posted By HockeyBacon18⏩
i was more suggesting that instead of doing say a 3x8 for bench (typical bodybuilding scheme) to switch to a 5x5 instead.

but if mccoy agrees, theres a good chance you should listen to him over me
In that case your initial post was quite misleading IMO.

I don't really agree with your suggestion here either. The volume as in total reps is essentially the same but in the case of 5x5 you would work at a higher intensity which eventually will catch up to you as you approach very low body fat. Working at a higher intensity is more prone to injuries - especially when combined with low body fat level.

Just my 2 cents.
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Tbh the best thing to do when cutting I'd to stop lifting. That way you lose weight without having to feel weak in the gym.

Plus there's no real risk of muscle loss since natties can't gain muscle anyway
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In defense of power lifters they wouldn't cut accessories either. They'd cut volume on the main lifts when they had to, but working weak spots is the whole point of body building and power lifting. The easiest way to do that is with accessory work. It's just dumb to cut accessory movements in general.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
In defense of power lifters they wouldn't cut accessories either. They'd cut volume on the main lifts when they had to, but working weak spots is the whole point of body building and power lifting. The easiest way to do that is with accessory work. It's just dumb to cut accessory movements in general.
Actually during a deficit I'd rather cut from accessories than from main lifts.


Why would I do as many biceps curls as before, but less bench press? The neural efficiency coming from practice is now lessened for a movement that requires practice...and given up for a movement or movements that don't help much during a deficit because muscle gain is limited at best
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat⏩
Actually during a deficit I'd rather cut from accessories than from main lifts.


Why would I do as many biceps curls as before, but less bench press? The neural efficiency coming from practice is now lessened for a movement that requires practice...and given up for a movement or movements that don't help much during a deficit because muscle gain is limited at best
Agree.

I dont do many accessories whether cutting or bulking, tbh. Just the big 3 and variations of those
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need to deload from volume at some point; might as well be when you're cutting
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Originally Posted By midcoastking33⏩
need to deload from volume at some point; might as well be when you're cutting
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Agree.

I dont do many accessories whether cutting or bulking, tbh. Just the big 3 and variations of those
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Originally Posted By mccoy19⏩
Tons of reps, tons of sets, and entirely focusing on the pump/squeeze.
I'm not really sure that's exactly what he was saying.

Volume should certainly NOT go up on a diet, because that would be anabolic suicide for a natty lifter. For a lot of natty lifters, lowering volume as you get to lower BFs isn't a bad idea. I don't suggest removing auxiliary lifts, as mentioned above, however, you have to admit, eating in a surplus and eating in a deficit will certainly have an impact on lifting and how easy the body can recover.

An example would be to do 6 sets of auxiliary muscle work vs 9, but keep lifting like you normally would otherwise. There is no reason to go high rep just because you're on a diet. In fact, it's a myth that high reps are better while dieting.
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Originally Posted By Jherewhoisdere⏩
So you are saying that a bodybuilder should reduce volume on key body parts (see: lateral/posterior deltoids, arms, hamstrings..) straight away when going on a deficit and focus on strength oriented training instead? That is pure nonsense.

You should always train in a manner that maximizes hypertrophy. Depending on your starting point, you can still improve during the early phases of the deficit. As time goes on, your overall training volume will more or less autoregulate itself. It would be detrimental just to cut down your training volume straight away.
Originally Posted By mccoy19⏩
Got to agree here ... as you get lower in cals and carbs (especially if prepping) you really won't be able to go past a certain point at the gym ... and you'll know that point alright. When dieting i prefer pump workouts. 1 body part per day - maybe two. Tons of reps, tons of sets, and entirely focusing on the pump/squeeze. That's me personally, though.
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Originally Posted By HockeyBacon18⏩
i was more suggesting that instead of doing say a 3x8 for bench (typical bodybuilding scheme) ....
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat⏩
Actually during a deficit I'd rather cut from accessories than from main lifts.


Why would I do as many biceps curls as before, but less bench press? The neural efficiency coming from practice is now lessened for a movement that requires practice...and given up for a movement or movements that don't help much during a deficit because muscle gain is limited at best
Because isolation exercises are generally less taxing regardless. If you're doing compound assistance exercises like good mornings or similar then I agree.

Also I was talking about cutting out accessory work ENTIRELY heh. Not such a great idea.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I'm not really sure that's exactly what he was saying.

Volume should certainly NOT go up on a diet, because that would be anabolic suicide for a natty lifter. For a lot of natty lifters, lowering volume as you get to lower BFs isn't a bad idea. I don't suggest removing auxiliary lifts, as mentioned above, however, you have to admit, eating in a surplus and eating in a deficit will certainly have an impact on lifting and how easy the body can recover.

An example would be to do 6 sets of auxiliary muscle work vs 9, but keep lifting like you normally would otherwise. There is no reason to go high rep just because you're on a diet. In fact, it's a myth that high reps are better while dieting.
As to the last sentence ... I didn't in the least try to claim going high rep in a deficit would be better for 'toning' (I think that's the myth?) Regardless, I also wouldn't claim it's a "myth that doing high reps is better while dieting" ... too many variables at play to state that. Everyone's body is different, different supplementation, etc. I was stating what works for me ... I'm more injury prone so especially when dieting I find high reps allows me to keep some fullness without having to use heavy weights and risk injury. I lift for fun and pleasure ... an injury sidelining me is stupid considering this is a hobby. So I'm very much for injury prevention, which for me is especially important when in a big deficit and extra 'dry'.

Definitely no one size fits all ... look at the top pro bodybuilders ... some pound heavy weight non stop and some are more pump chasers getting the blood flow in and grow doing that. Heavy weight is good, but I reserve it for when I'm not dieting for the most part.

There's just so many ways to skin this thing ... it really comes down to preference and figuring out one's own body. Fascinating stuff, though!
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not enough chit talking itt
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I did for a year
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Hockeybacon there is so much more to programming the sets and reps. They have books written on this stuff. Changing from 3x8 to 5x5 will do very little to actual programming.
But more important than your rep scheme, which has some affect is total volume of not just your workout but your weekly volume to.

There is programming were you lower your training total volume to re sensitize your muscles to training stimulus, while still doing the minimum volume to maintain muscle mass. Then you slowly build up volume, till you reach your maximum training volume(before you can't recover).

Again whole books are written on this and even elite level athletes weather weight lifters, powerlifters, bodybuilders, ...... any athlete runners, football players all have coaches. It is complicated.

A good video on YouTube is juggernaut strength training, Dr Mike Isretal( probably spelled it wrong) has two videos on hypertrophic training one for back and one for chest. He also had a video on Omar isuf's channel
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Originally Posted By FittestManAlive⏩
Hockeybacon there is so much more to programming the sets and reps. They have books written on this stuff. Changing from 3x8 to 5x5 will do very little to actual programming.
But more important than your rep scheme, which has some affect is total volume of not just your workout but your weekly volume to.

There is programming were you lower your training total volume to re sensitize your muscles to training stimulus, while still doing the minimum volume to maintain muscle mass. Then you slowly build up volume, till you reach your maximum training volume(before you can't recover).

Again whole books are written on this and even elite level athletes weather weight lifters, powerlifters, bodybuilders, ...... any athlete runners, football players all have coaches. It is complicated.

A good video on YouTube is juggernaut strength training, Dr Mike Isretal( probably spelled it wrong) has two videos on hypertrophic training one for back and one for chest. He also had a video on Omar isuf's channel
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gonna quit doing squats and deadlifts.


might do some leg curls like 2x a week but thats it
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat⏩
gonna quit doing squats and deadlifts.


might do some leg curls like 2x a week but thats it
y breh? i stopped doing squats cause it fuks with my back (prob cause mobility is chit) but have recently started doing DLs regularly and have found some nice form with chucks, versa gripps and belt. feelsgoodman
hopefully it helps with overall back development of my weaker muscle groups thus making me back pain free
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Originally Posted By Dan_Staat⏩
gonna quit doing squats and deadlifts.


might do some leg curls like 2x a week but thats it
Leg curls are GOAT. A study showed that leg curls were superior to squats for building the hammies.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Leg curls are GOAT. A study showed that leg curls were superior to squats for building the hammies.
I meant to include leg extensions in there heh


Yeah the hamstrings during a squat are basically unused. Would be quite counterproductive for them to fight the quads the whole lift lelel


But deadlifts and the variants are great. Just cbf rn


I'm on call this week (hvac service...so can get called out at any time) and went to the gym. Like 3 calls came in yesterday, two of which I was able to convince the people their issue wasn't an emergency in any way, and was a waste of overtime. I had to run the other.

Anyways, between being on call and a funeral it was just a chit gym session so I didn't finish my deadlifts and didn't even start my squats.


And I left the gym thinking "that was a pretty good session"
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