Everyone isn't paying, not even close. A lot of dudes have the same thought process, if I can't match for free no point.

You never got a single match on any of those apps after paying?

Nope. Many dudes pay. Why do you think Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge get a lot of revenue?

There's so many desperate dudes out there. But how would paying actually help you? If woman aren't swiping right on your profile if your using it for free, they won't swipe on you if you're paying. You'd still have the same profile.

That's why I'm a retard for paying in the first place

I got matches, but they were low quality. And not that many. Even after paying I'd only get like 3-5 matches a week (all low quality despite swiping right on everything)

None of them led anywhere. Woman ghosted after a few messages.

This

a new study came out 2023

white guys 6'4+, under age 30, goodlooking get 90%+ of the matches

Dude youre retarded. I sent them generic messages that every dudes send them. I didn't say anything offensive.

Fact is asking them to grab a few drinks doesn't work because they have 50 other dudes asking them the same thing and they'll just agree to go with the best looking guy and ghost everyone else you absolute RETARD

If everyone paid, then yeah, it would become an arms race. But most dudes don't.

Look... I don't like simping for Match group. I think that having to pay a billion-dollar corporation just to speak to women is basically a symptom of societal breakdown. But it's the only way I've been able to do it, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



ETA: on free mode, I can tell you right now that your profile is doomed. Usually those apps will give you a boost of exposure when you first start your profile, to get you addicted and to determine your ELO. Most women are gonna swipe left, cause they don't want those Big Balls. Then you ELO ranking goes to "bottom 80% male trash", and you go to the back of the line.

I once made a fraud Tinder of a 25yo woman using Antonin Scalia's pics. Got 100 matches in the first hour before being banned. I could've probably got 1000 in my first day, and I was obviously not even a woman. I know, pig woman.jpg, misc has been through this before.

As a bottom-ELO male, you are just jumping on top of that thousand-dick pile. 5'9" vs 5'2" isn't going to change chit... you go to the bottom of the stack, where your profile never sees the light of day, where you never get any matches, where you remain at the bottom of the stack. Even frauding 6 foot wouldn't help, because some girls may filter for 6 foot and put you on the short list, but you'd still be at the bottom of the 6 footer stack.

I would either pay to cut that line, or just not bother with apps at all. Cause free mode is a waste of time and energy for a bottom tier male.

How is paying making it any easier???

Your profile doesn't change. It's literally the same profile. Why would women suddenly start swiping right on you???

Paying only makes sense for Chad so he can run volume.

I will give you this - you don't understand women, or you play it well at least

If you pay, you can force women to see you. If you're on free mode, they will never even know you exist.

It's not like they are pulling up your profile, looking at your subhuman genetics, and then swiping left. Most girls never even see your cover pic.

Lol, obviously dummy. No one is saying that paying is a ticket to Victoria Secret models. You'll get in front of more women, but paying isn't going to help a 4 match with 7s. Going from 0 to a few matches a week means it worked. Not being able to close those matches has nothing to do with paying or not.

1.) Buy frozen berries, and make a daily smoothie first thing in the morning. Eat that with a multivitamin. Personally, I use maca powder in my smoothies.
2.) Exercise. Don’t need to be a gymcel, just pick an exercise regimen or a sport; do that 3-5 times a week.

Go from there. Don’t let that advice go over your head.

do 2 already and have for pretty much my entire life.

What is the point of 1

if women are going to swipe left either way cause I'm bottom 80% trash, why pay.

then don't do it - focus on what you are comfortable doing and make progress

You honestly don't know that yet because your profile is hidden from some women as a non-paying user. It is a bit of a gamble, but it's like $20. In your position, you don't have much to lose.

Let's say 1% of women would be willing to go out with you, and 99% want your big balls as far away from them as possible.

Apps will give you a new-user boost when you join. I know Bumble continually promotes you until you get 2 matches. After that, they have enough swipes to peg you, and your profile gets sunk to the bottom of the ocean. No one sees it again. I have left Tinder autoswipe bots running overnight and have got 0 matches on 50,000 attempts.

If you continually cut to the front, 99% of the girls you swipe are still going to reject you, but the 1% of girls that would be willing to match get to see you. On free mode, they never will. That's the difference.

If you want to game free mode, try remaking and deleting your profile every few days to get that fresh-user boost over and over.

Its not the money itself, its the principle of it. I dont believe in getting scammed especially in this aspect of things.

I do apparently have 2 matches on the new app but I ran out swipes so cant see them. We'll see if they end up being bots or whales

I get what you're saying but the problem remains, either there's already a lot of men paying in which case it cancels out, or there's not a lot of men paying in which case, these women are seeing a lot of us for free either way. Unless they only see the small number of men who pay in rotation.

Tinder works for men without paying lol


you are just ugly

I couldn't give you numbers, dude. Match group keeps that close to the vest. All I know is that I went from 0 matches outside of trannies and ENM weirdo types, to 13 matches and 2 dates in a month once I paid.If you're hot, that entry-level ELO stage breaks completely differently.

Deadly Striker had made a thread about this. He started a Hinge, and it began by feeding him nothing but fatties and queers. But on the women's side, he had the intro boost going. A bunch of women saw him, and they matched him cause he's a 6 foot lantern-jawed ex D-1 athlete. So after a week his feed adjusted to his high ELO, and it was nothing but hot white women from there on out.

That homeboy doesn't have to pay, he just lives on IRL boost. Hinge and Bumble and them keep women using the app by feeding them Chads, and then they market that high concentration of women to bait in low-value chancer men. It's the club strategy.

Dude, for someone who constantly says they "tried everything over a decade," you're being pretty stubborn over something pretty simple in the name of principle.

Yeah, I'm honestly starting to think BBMG is nothing like me. He said he won't pay for dating apps, he doesn't wanna date white women, obese women, single moms, etc.

I've *literally* tried everything in the past 5 years with no results. I've paid for apps numerous times on all apps. I've hit on obese women, single moms, and women of all races. Literally nothing worked. I've emptied my bag. I'm just too ugly to date

Pissing away money on a pretty obvious scam isn't one of the things I've done or intend to do.

I wouldnt seriously date those women, I would still have sex with them if any were attracted to me. they are not/have not been.

Paying for apps is also too far for me because it seems like a scam for desperate men. if I knew the results would be legit, I would do it. I dont see why any man would throw his money away on something thats so obviously pretty scammy to take advantage of you

This is true. Paying for apps doesnt make sense for incels.

Paying only makes sense for Chads so he can run volume

Although im shocked youve never tried paying for it ONCE since ur so desperate. I've literally hit on 1/10s before because i was so desperate and horny