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How will we fill the massive labor shortage in the surging manufacturing sector?
04-05-2026, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
Are you calling Mike Rowe a liar!!! :)
Total fucking lie, which goes to prove my point that the articles are nothing but propaganda. A union electrician in my jurisdiction makes around 50//hr.
The none union markers is around 35-40/hr.
Even as a labor coordinator you aren’t going to touch that type of scale.
350k a year is probably more than what the owner himself is making. One contractor I was working for years ago the owner was only making around 220k himself.
And with the cost of living the younger people don’t even want to get into this shit because even on the highest scale you can’t afford a home in my area.
Most guys I know who do OT year round make around 140k, unless you’re doing super specialized work for pharmaceutical companies. And those are rare jobs.
I could go on and on, but these articles are all lies and horseshit from people who have no experience in the business.
The none union markers is around 35-40/hr.
Even as a labor coordinator you aren’t going to touch that type of scale.
350k a year is probably more than what the owner himself is making. One contractor I was working for years ago the owner was only making around 220k himself.
And with the cost of living the younger people don’t even want to get into this shit because even on the highest scale you can’t afford a home in my area.
Most guys I know who do OT year round make around 140k, unless you’re doing super specialized work for pharmaceutical companies. And those are rare jobs.
I could go on and on, but these articles are all lies and horseshit from people who have no experience in the business.
04-05-2026, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I don't disagree at all they aren't "lazy" - as well many are pretty frigging smart
I've had years of direct experience in the blue collar world, from residential construction up to heavy industrial, and now work adjacent to the state's university system funneling kids into material science, engineering and manufacturing jobs, mostly related to space and DoD, but including environmental, mechanical,and computer science fields.
In my experience, I have to disagree with the assumptions that the damn kids these days are lazy and there aren't enough willing to work. I think in reality they are smart as fuck and rightly skeptical of getting the rug pulled out from under them. They have no concept of the good old days, all they know is the shit show of today, and the days of showing initiative by calling the supervisor or showing up somewhere ready to work are long gone other than hitting the Home Depot parking lot looking for work with the rest of them.
In my experience, I have to disagree with the assumptions that the damn kids these days are lazy and there aren't enough willing to work. I think in reality they are smart as fuck and rightly skeptical of getting the rug pulled out from under them. They have no concept of the good old days, all they know is the shit show of today, and the days of showing initiative by calling the supervisor or showing up somewhere ready to work are long gone other than hitting the Home Depot parking lot looking for work with the rest of them.
It's not "laziness" that drives them away, it's simple no interest in that kind of sector or that kind of work. You don't see it glamorized anymore (unless directly associated with a good version of it as a child)
It doesn't seem like a "sexy" job at all.
Beyond that, other things look way more interesting and appealing.
It is a culture shift.
I'll add that where we are now is the result of 50 or 75 years of decisions, and changing anything will probably take that long. I'd offer that one way to start is by not dismantling the education department, not offering bad loan terms, rolling back safety regulations and oversight, disrupting markets with shifting policies and wars, and by putting 99% of the effort towards rewarding and incentivizing the ownership class to fuck over the little guy as much as possible.
That is alot of stuff there - may additional topics- I did touch on the loan part a bit above
Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
US manufacturing is in growth right now
By hypothetical I meant by starting with trade industry projections and building an argument based on an assumption younger generations simply don't want to do this- regardless of the pay.
The reality right here right now is that domestic manufacturing and trades continue to be a sinking ship, with some good opportunities perceived as bubbles.
The reality right here right now is that domestic manufacturing and trades continue to be a sinking ship, with some good opportunities perceived as bubbles.
I could not agree more with needing a structural institutional reset. It's critical and to the point where we should drop most everything except for a Manhattan Project style project to figure out how to get our average reading and math and science abilities on par with the rest of the world.
But that is opposite of the direction we've chosen as a nation. It's probably too late to do anything about it now.
I don't think it's too late at all- however we are going to miss a big opportunity if we don't move quick.
But that is opposite of the direction we've chosen as a nation. It's probably too late to do anything about it now.
Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
These were just basic search skims I did real quick, but more are deeper- especially via networking.
Those match what I was expecting, the high pay is reserved for those with years of experience.
There are a few hiccups, but on the other side of all this, Facebook and Amazon are able to quickly build massive data centers with the current pool of workers.
There are a few hiccups, but on the other side of all this, Facebook and Amazon are able to quickly build massive data centers with the current pool of workers.
The deal is - you have to network to get the maximum benefit-
Now don't get be wrong- I'm not trying to claim 100k+ for everybody- but the wages are getting increasingly competitive- and right place and right time people can enter above their qualifications.
You don't get hired above your qualification from responding to an online open job add- you do it by networking with the decision makers, or referencing with the burnt out employees working in the way understaffed places that have been desperately trying to hire.
That is they key to that, instead if getting caught up in hr- or a 1000 person random online add where 990 mass applied and aren't seeking the employment anyway (or already got hired somewhere else)
Intuitionally places you have been associated - govt type- won't work for this as they have slow moving stringent hiring systems and rules
04-05-2026, 01:52 PM
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One additional note-
This isn't about 100k jobs at data centers and such- that was just one examples of outside of the industry is in some cases cannibalizing employment needed for the industry.
Those first readings I cited show basic manufacturing industry needs- and the boomer retirement refill need- along with expansion.
In addition to that, in regular manufacturing- there is even more expansion coming (on top of previously citing the existing expansion phase we are in now)
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This isn't about 100k jobs at data centers and such- that was just one examples of outside of the industry is in some cases cannibalizing employment needed for the industry.
Those first readings I cited show basic manufacturing industry needs- and the boomer retirement refill need- along with expansion.
In addition to that, in regular manufacturing- there is even more expansion coming (on top of previously citing the existing expansion phase we are in now)
i.e
Mercedes investing $4 billion in Alabama plant to ease tariff burden with more U.S. productionTrump’s auto tariffs appear to be turning into treasure for Alabama’s Tuscaloosa County.
At a recent event at the county’s Mercedes-Benz plant, company executives promised a $4 billion investment plan by 2030, Made In Alabama reports (1).
The luxury car manufacturer also showed off the new GLE and GLS SUV models that this money will help produce.
At the center of Mercedes’ decision is a simple calculation: building cars closer to its customers will help dodge the rising costs of importing them with the current auto tariffs in place.
Mercedes North America CEO Jason Hoff told Reuters that tariffs were on the company’s mind, saying that investing more in the local market “just makes good business sense” in this environment (2).
Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz Chairman Ola Källenius made it clear this investment was more than a short-term strategy. As he told AL.com (3), “If you invest in industrial structures like this in the auto industry, you don’t do that for years, you do it for decades.”
Källenius hinted this investment could ramp up production from the 250,000 to 300,000 vehicles the plant currently produces annually to 340,000 vehicles per year.Mercedes-Benz joins a growing list of foreign automakers that are deciding to double down on their U.S. investments in the wake of Trump’s tariffs, as Honda (4) and Hyundai (5) have also announced massive deals to build more cars in U.S. facilities.
At a recent event at the county’s Mercedes-Benz plant, company executives promised a $4 billion investment plan by 2030, Made In Alabama reports (1).
The luxury car manufacturer also showed off the new GLE and GLS SUV models that this money will help produce.
At the center of Mercedes’ decision is a simple calculation: building cars closer to its customers will help dodge the rising costs of importing them with the current auto tariffs in place.
Mercedes North America CEO Jason Hoff told Reuters that tariffs were on the company’s mind, saying that investing more in the local market “just makes good business sense” in this environment (2).
Meanwhile, Mercedes-Benz Chairman Ola Källenius made it clear this investment was more than a short-term strategy. As he told AL.com (3), “If you invest in industrial structures like this in the auto industry, you don’t do that for years, you do it for decades.”
Källenius hinted this investment could ramp up production from the 250,000 to 300,000 vehicles the plant currently produces annually to 340,000 vehicles per year.Mercedes-Benz joins a growing list of foreign automakers that are deciding to double down on their U.S. investments in the wake of Trump’s tariffs, as Honda (4) and Hyundai (5) have also announced massive deals to build more cars in U.S. facilities.
04-05-2026, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted By RIKTERS⏩
I think 350k is a little over statement - and it deff isn't a "family man" grounded in 1 spot kind of job- its very transit
I read these article saying electricians at AI centers are making $350K per year with free housing on or near property.
What electrician making 75K a year isnt immediately signing up for that? Which makes me think these numbers arent accurate?
What electrician making 75K a year isnt immediately signing up for that? Which makes me think these numbers arent accurate?
It's also - like a said above to sea- not even the main part when discussing this manufacturing labor shortage- just one example of the things taking skilled people away from the growing sector that is already short labor.
Not the main subject, and can't blame a young man for not wanting to make it a main gig- there is some short term opportunity there though
04-05-2026, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
That is just the type of the iceberg lol.
This was probably the main reason I got out of the tradie life. Get up early to fight with psychotic road raging traffic for an hour or so, then doing it again after working all day.
The dudes making big money working on power lines or welding pipe are also living in a fucking RV or hotel for half the year or more.
The dudes making big money working on power lines or welding pipe are also living in a fucking RV or hotel for half the year or more.
> Wake up @ 3 am.
> Drive an hour and a half to work
> Go on a totally mismanaged job that was bid to where you start out 6 months behind, and are supposed to find a way to catch up working 40 hour weeks
> Have the foreman threatening you with your job all day because you aren't moving fast enough when he has no tools and material on the job.
> Drive home after a 10 hour shift.
> After your two hour drive home hurry up and eat and go to sleep to do it all the next day.
I did a stint of 7 12's for two months and didn't even have time to take a shit when I got home.
It's literally a humiliating way to live your life tbh. That's why there is such high turnover.
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04-05-2026, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted By RIKTERS⏩
That guy is a fucking boomer lol. He doesn't even work.
Are you calling Mike Rowe a liar!!! :)
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04-05-2026, 02:13 PM
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Too much theoretical nonsense in this thread to debunk after going through it all.
I've kind of made my point based off of real life experience.
Never listen to fake news, folks.
I've kind of made my point based off of real life experience.
Never listen to fake news, folks.
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04-05-2026, 02:26 PM
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Ford CEO Jim Farley says his company’s inability to hire mechanics is a warning sign about the future of skilled work.
On an episode of the Office Hours: Business Edition podcast, Farley noted that Ford has around 5,000 open mechanic positions that it cannot fill, despite offering pay that can reach $120,000 a year for these roles. In comparison, the national average salary is $62,000, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Farley argued that even though manual labor and skilled-trade jobs offer strong wages, there is a widespread shortage of workers able to take on these roles. He called the situation a national problem rather than just a Ford issue, pointing out that the unfilled openings at Ford are part of a much larger gap across the U.S. economy. “We are in trouble in our country, and we are not talking about this enough,” Farley said on the podcast.
“We have over a million openings in critical jobs, emergency services, trucking, factory workers, plumbers, electricians and tradesmen. It’s a very serious thing.”
The numbers back up the CEO’s concern. According to the National Association of Manufacturers, there were 403,000 manufacturing jobs open in November and nearly 13 million workers in the industry in December. A 2024 study from the Manufacturing Institute and consulting firm Deloitte found that more than half of 200 surveyed manufacturing firms cited recruiting and retaining workers as their top challenge.
Meanwhile, other blue-collar jobs face a critical shortage of skilled workers. According to Forbes, in 2025, the U.S. already had a deficit of about 80,000 electricians. The publication noted that by 2030, the gap could increase to up to 224,000 unfilled jobs. The U.S. is also expected to be short 550,000 plumbers by 2027, per Bloomberg.
On the podcast, Farley framed blue-collar work as central to America’s economic story and to his own family history. He noted that mechanic jobs like the ones Ford is trying to fill allowed workers such as his grandfather, who worked on the company’s Model T car and was one of Ford’s earliest employees, to build solid, “middle-class” lives.
Ford has been working to make its roles more attractive with higher pay.
The company eliminated the lowest tier of its wage scale and agreed to give employees a 25% pay increase over four years in its 2023 deal with the United Auto Workers union. According to Payscale, the average base salary at Ford is $101,000 a year.
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On an episode of the Office Hours: Business Edition podcast, Farley noted that Ford has around 5,000 open mechanic positions that it cannot fill, despite offering pay that can reach $120,000 a year for these roles. In comparison, the national average salary is $62,000, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Farley argued that even though manual labor and skilled-trade jobs offer strong wages, there is a widespread shortage of workers able to take on these roles. He called the situation a national problem rather than just a Ford issue, pointing out that the unfilled openings at Ford are part of a much larger gap across the U.S. economy. “We are in trouble in our country, and we are not talking about this enough,” Farley said on the podcast.
“We have over a million openings in critical jobs, emergency services, trucking, factory workers, plumbers, electricians and tradesmen. It’s a very serious thing.”
The numbers back up the CEO’s concern. According to the National Association of Manufacturers, there were 403,000 manufacturing jobs open in November and nearly 13 million workers in the industry in December. A 2024 study from the Manufacturing Institute and consulting firm Deloitte found that more than half of 200 surveyed manufacturing firms cited recruiting and retaining workers as their top challenge.
Meanwhile, other blue-collar jobs face a critical shortage of skilled workers. According to Forbes, in 2025, the U.S. already had a deficit of about 80,000 electricians. The publication noted that by 2030, the gap could increase to up to 224,000 unfilled jobs. The U.S. is also expected to be short 550,000 plumbers by 2027, per Bloomberg.
On the podcast, Farley framed blue-collar work as central to America’s economic story and to his own family history. He noted that mechanic jobs like the ones Ford is trying to fill allowed workers such as his grandfather, who worked on the company’s Model T car and was one of Ford’s earliest employees, to build solid, “middle-class” lives.
Ford has been working to make its roles more attractive with higher pay.
The company eliminated the lowest tier of its wage scale and agreed to give employees a 25% pay increase over four years in its 2023 deal with the United Auto Workers union. According to Payscale, the average base salary at Ford is $101,000 a year.
read://https_www.entrepreneur.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.entrepreneur.com%2Fbusiness-news%2Fford-ceo-cant-fill-5000-open-jobs-six-figure-salary
04-06-2026, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
I was shocked to learn hes worth 30 million.
That guy is a fucking boomer lol. He doesn't even work.
To his credit though, he has been advocating for govt funded paid apprenticeships/return to the trades, etc for quite a while now.
04-06-2026, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted By OPGenesis⏩
This, even in high COL areas they are not even sniffing close to that.
Total fucking lie, which goes to prove my point that the articles are nothing but propaganda. A union electrician in my jurisdiction makes around 50//hr.
The none union markers is around 35-40/hr.
Even as a labor coordinator you aren’t going to touch that type of scale.
350k a year is probably more than what the owner himself is making. One contractor I was working for years ago the owner was only making around 220k himself.
And with the cost of living the younger people don’t even want to get into this shit because even on the highest scale you can’t afford a home in my area.
Most guys I know who do OT year round make around 140k, unless you’re doing super specialized work for pharmaceutical companies. And those are rare jobs.
I could go on and on, but these articles are all lies and horseshit from people who have no experience in the business.
The none union markers is around 35-40/hr.
Even as a labor coordinator you aren’t going to touch that type of scale.
350k a year is probably more than what the owner himself is making. One contractor I was working for years ago the owner was only making around 220k himself.
And with the cost of living the younger people don’t even want to get into this shit because even on the highest scale you can’t afford a home in my area.
Most guys I know who do OT year round make around 140k, unless you’re doing super specialized work for pharmaceutical companies. And those are rare jobs.
I could go on and on, but these articles are all lies and horseshit from people who have no experience in the business.
Misc is known for e-statting the fuk out of salaries, especially for trades. Seen so many threads on old misc saying chit like "just become a plumber, you'll make $80 an hour."
No lol. I live in a high COL area, my neighbor on one side is a plumber and on the other is a steamfitter. I know my steamfitter neighbor makes $44 an hour and the plumber is probably around that too. Which isn't bad money at all don't get me wrong, they live decent middle class lifestyles, but they are never going to sniff $80 an hour without becoming maybe a project manager for a big, busy company or something similar.
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Originally Posted By John
Past the obscure salaries part -
This, even in high COL areas they are not even sniffing close to that.
Misc is known for e-statting the fuk out of salaries, especially for trades. Seen so many threads on old misc saying chit like "just become a plumber, you'll make $80 an hour."
No lol. I live in a high COL area, my neighbor on one side is a plumber and on the other is a steamfitter. I know my steamfitter neighbor makes $44 an hour and the plumber is probably around that too. Which isn't bad money at all don't get me wrong, they live decent middle class lifestyles, but they are never going to sniff $80 an hour without becoming maybe a project manager for a big, busy company or something similar.
Misc is known for e-statting the fuk out of salaries, especially for trades. Seen so many threads on old misc saying chit like "just become a plumber, you'll make $80 an hour."
No lol. I live in a high COL area, my neighbor on one side is a plumber and on the other is a steamfitter. I know my steamfitter neighbor makes $44 an hour and the plumber is probably around that too. Which isn't bad money at all don't get me wrong, they live decent middle class lifestyles, but they are never going to sniff $80 an hour without becoming maybe a project manager for a big, busy company or something similar.
What do you think needs to happen to solve the manufacturing labor supply shortage (with a massive attrition increase looming)
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Not sure boyo, I'm just an hybrid IT cubecel/tradie making around what my plumber neighbor makes taking it day by day. If there is a big increase in manufacturing jobs, I think we need is a change in culture, where the boomer mentality of telling your kids that "you have to go to college or you'll just be a burger flipper" needs to be put to rest and these manufacturing firms can recruit high school grads, start them off with a halfway decent salary in a position that offers some reasonable wage increases over the years.
Past the obscure salaries part -
What do you think needs to happen to solve the manufacturing labor supply shortage (with a massive attrition increase looming)
What do you think needs to happen to solve the manufacturing labor supply shortage (with a massive attrition increase looming)
I for one am perfectly OK paying more for goods that are made in America by Americans, but I know this will be a tough sell to other people.
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AI laying people off like no other. Some people are going to have to learn a line of work where they can't just sit behind a computer all day.
Govt needs to invest into trade schools and not just learing centers.
Also, we need to stop making welfare such a cozy option.
Govt needs to invest into trade schools and not just learing centers.
Also, we need to stop making welfare such a cozy option.
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Isn’t Mario on a senior union wage and can only afford to live in his car
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Nah, just cut benefits to those who are able bodied and can work.
You're going to have to pay people more to incentivise them to even enter the sector. And it also needs a serious PR campaign, because to young people, working in a factory doing repetitive labour, even for $30 an hour, sounds like death.
$30 an hour is only 60k a year, which is barely even a living wage anymore.
$30 an hour is only 60k a year, which is barely even a living wage anymore.
Originally Posted By RIKTERS⏩
there are 50 million people in the US who make less than 40k/yr.
^^This
I dont think most younger people even know that manufacturing jobs exist anymore?
Its ironic that how every time we bring in 10 million immigrants, we have millions more job openings....that just cant be filled..unless we bring in another 10 million.
I dont think most younger people even know that manufacturing jobs exist anymore?
Its ironic that how every time we bring in 10 million immigrants, we have millions more job openings....that just cant be filled..unless we bring in another 10 million.
60k to work in a factory would be a pay raise.
go back to the days of corporate housing.
except use pre-fab homes.
you work, you have a roof over your head.
the jobs are not filled because it's easier to game the system and work as little as possible while collecting as much free money from the government as possible.
we have created a society of lazy mooches.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
We've created a society where anyone with a cell phone thinks they can be the next big influencer like Mr. Beast or for girls, Sophie Rain. They don't realize the amount of grind and work it takes, and the odds of getting to that level. I'm reminded of the picture of the odds of making the NFL posted in a college locker room, and it's like .002% even if you're good at football.
we have created a society of lazy mooches.
If a girl thinks she can make 50k a year stripping her clothes off and teasing simps online, she's not even going to bother with college, much less anything actually difficult. And guys can't even clean their rooms or talk to girls, much less actually decide to do anything difficult. Trades is actually damned hard work, and we've established that nobody wants to do that anymore, even if it pays.
And if you're on welfare, combined benefits can amount to over 30k a year, so lots of people would rather sit around all day and do nothing than go work for an additional 30k, even if it makes them more financially viable.
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It starts with the schools. Stop teaching people that blue collar work is only for stupid people. It's far from that. Then, put more investment into trade school programs.
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
yeah. its fucked.
We've created a society where anyone with a cell phone thinks they can be the next big influencer like Mr. Beast or for girls, Sophie Rain. They don't realize the amount of grind and work it takes, and the odds of getting to that level. I'm reminded of the picture of the odds of making the NFL posted in a college locker room, and it's like .002% even if you're good at football.
If a girl thinks she can make 50k a year stripping her clothes off and teasing simps online, she's not even going to bother with college, much less anything actually difficult. And guys can't even clean their rooms or talk to girls, much less actually decide to do anything difficult. Trades is actually damned hard work, and we've established that nobody wants to do that anymore, even if it pays.
And if you're on welfare, combined benefits can amount to over 30k a year, so lots of people would rather sit around all day and do nothing than go work for an additional 30k, even if it makes them more financially viable.
If a girl thinks she can make 50k a year stripping her clothes off and teasing simps online, she's not even going to bother with college, much less anything actually difficult. And guys can't even clean their rooms or talk to girls, much less actually decide to do anything difficult. Trades is actually damned hard work, and we've established that nobody wants to do that anymore, even if it pays.
And if you're on welfare, combined benefits can amount to over 30k a year, so lots of people would rather sit around all day and do nothing than go work for an additional 30k, even if it makes them more financially viable.
I work with kids who can't look other people in they when talking to them.
they mumble and make things awkward AF.
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Originally Posted By Jaydubs⏩
i just read Lowes is paying for trade school.
It starts with the schools. Stop teaching people that blue collar work is only for stupid people. It's far from that. Then, put more investment into trade school programs.
it makes sense.
imagine being in their business and not having people that can install the stuff they sell because most customers lack the ability or knowledge or tools to do the job themselves
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
No doubt, this is where it should happen. Not just the government directing who goes were, because we have obviously seen that, and like everything else that is a solution from the government, solving one problem partially results in two new real problems, and ends up costing 10X what was originally projected.
i just read Lowes is paying for trade school.
it makes sense.
imagine being in their business and not having people that can install the stuff they sell because most customers lack the ability or knowledge or tools to do the job themselves
it makes sense.
imagine being in their business and not having people that can install the stuff they sell because most customers lack the ability or knowledge or tools to do the job themselves
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