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post 1503428591 05-03-2017, 10:48 PM
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Our biggest problem is water supply, and we haven't been doing any favor for it. We've been using it for mining, heavy industries, etc... We have global climate change melting glaciers, messing up our freshwater supplies.

And we have land development, pipes, etc... that have destroyed up our wetlands and ecosystem that filters the water, prevents salination, and makes sure water stays in one big place in the surface.

The water problem may have a solution in new technology. There are two countries that have special interests in developing energy-efficient ways of purifying water.
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Originally Posted By SlothLord⏩
Historically, communists always talked about the dangers of overpopulation before they started rounding up political dissidents by the millions and slaughtering them.
As usual, communists in America are talking about the dangers of overpopuation but the dissidents here have guns.
My closest neighbor is 10 miles away... there's still a lot of undeveloped land in the world.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
Jesus christ, combined IQ of about 40 with all these replies lol.

Does anyone have any ACTUAL information that's worth reading?

and lol @ "hundreds of thousands die every day because of famine" LOL. Did you guys go to school
How about you suck my drink and swallow, kill off millions of potential babies each time!
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post 1503428771 05-03-2017, 10:51 PM
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We need to kill off the parasitic low-lifes of the world. SRS

Sterilize the stupid poor people that are multiplying like roaches. SRS I've met so many people that have 4-9 kids in their LOW 20s and they keep popping more. They themselves are fukin stupid and raise the kids in a bad environment with some government help if they can file the paper work
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Originally Posted By brrealtea⏩
Our biggest problem is water supply, and we haven't been doing any favor for it. We've been using it for mining, heavy industries, etc... We have global climate change melting glaciers, messing up our freshwater supplies.

And we have land development, pipes, etc... that have destroyed up our wetlands and ecosystem that filters the water, prevents salination, and makes sure water stays in one big place in the surface.
Can you help explain this to me?


Water evaporates, but it comes back down. We drink it, but we also flush it right back out. So what's the threat? Technically, unless large amounts of water are just disappearing into space (they aren't) the water level of the world shouldn't be increasing or decreasing, just being moved.

Am I wrong on that?

I've already seen technology coming out that helps turn salt water into useable water.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
My closest neighbor is 10 miles away... there's still a lot of undeveloped land in the world.
The entire worlds population can fit in Texas, so land certainly isn't the issue.
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technology will be the answer to ALL concerns regarding overpopulation

food/waste/space...etc etc
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either ww3 or space colonization.

i think jeff beszos and elon musk know how serious overpopulation is and they are working hard to colonize space
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Originally Posted By stevesteve12⏩
technology will be the answer to ALL concerns regarding overpopulation

food/waste/space...etc etc
We have diminishing returns on technological progress though. It isn't keeping up.
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Originally Posted By stevesteve12⏩
technology will be the answer to ALL concerns regarding overpopulation

food/waste/space...etc etc
I actually believe this is the most likely answer.


Electricity needs will eventually come from the sun.

Electricity from the sun and free power or large amount of power will decline poverty rates, which decreases birth rates.

Electricity will solve for many food problems and water filtration and cycling issues.

etc
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Originally Posted By brrealtea⏩
There is no hard limit in carrying capacity. We don't know. We have been pushing our food supply up, and up for decades due to GMOs. Crops are bigger and more resistant. Thank Mosanto for that. (But **** them for their ****ed up patents screwing small farmers over.)
That estimate is based on current agricultural techniques and available technology. The vast majority of agriculture being practiced today is highly inefficient and if our our most advanced current techniques were adopted worldwide we would have no issues with food. So in reality, global policy decisions are the determining factor for the near future. Chit.. half the planet's population is eating food harvested using stone age methods because one modern tractor is worth 100x more than the gdp of their poverty ass village.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
Can you help explain this to me?


Water evaporates, but it comes back down. We drink it, but we also flush it right back out. So what's the threat? Technically, unless large amounts of water are just disappearing into space (they aren't) the water level of the world shouldn't be increasing or decreasing, just being moved.

Am I wrong on that?

I've already seen technology coming out that helps turn salt water into useable water.
Water evaporates, yes. But if it just comes down right where you want it, we wouldn't need water reservoires and importing water to certain states of the country, farmlands, etc...

The issue is complex, but when we pump water from certain areas, we also change the soil composition, the temperature of the area, the wind, the climate, etc... When we disturb this equilibrium, the water may no longer fall back down back into its original areas. It can flush directly to the sea or to other states countries, so it becomes just saltwater or no longer accessible.

Of course, the environment is also part of this system. Wetlands, etc.. also make sure that water is retained in certain areas and doesn't completely evaporate into the air and go into some other zone. It also makes sure it doesn't erode the land and become completely unuseable.
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Originally Posted By stevesteve12⏩
technology will be the answer to ALL concerns regarding overpopulation

food/waste/space...etc etc
And when the robots become smart enough they will realize working for us sucks and they will KILL ALL HUMAN srs
Imagine you walk into McDonalds one day and the french fry machine tosses scalding hot oil on you and shoves that wire basket down your throat until you die. The robots with AI will not need us. We will all die or become slaves.
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Nobody wants to deal with overpopulation because the problem is pretty muh unavoidable and about as grim as a problem an be. If we were to truly face up to it society would fracture at the seams, we would have to totally reorder what we think the future will look like. So who would want to talk about it, there's nothing we can do anyway.
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There most certainly is a hard limit due to the laws of physics. We may be able to bump it a bit by using technology, but the limit is still there. The Earth is really a lot like a giant, inhomogeneous petri dish, and we are a lot like bacteria living there (We may be smart lifeforms that can think and change the way we use resources, but we are still lifeforms exhausting resources nonetheless). We aren't going to be leaving the Earth and colonizing anywhere else anytime soon. There are only so many resources on this planet and only so much useful work we can do to productively use them. We will eventually hit capacity, and the economic forces will drive a solution. Overpopulation will lead to increased unemployment, crime, starvation, war, suicide, disease. The population will approach capacity and get stuck there just like the equations predict.
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A really famous example of how changing the environment completely ****ed up a water supply is the Wular Lake in Kashmir.
This is an example opposite and counterintuitive to what I just told you.

During the 50s, there was a government initiative to plant Willow trees in order to produce paper, lumber and other wooden products. These willow trees managed to constrict the water feeding into the lake as well as changing the soil composition and clogging up all the water supply in the area.

As a result, the lake went from a crystal clear lake that you could previously see all the way to the bottom to a dried up muddy swamp with most of the fishes destroyed.


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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
I've wondered this, surely the heads of most major governments have sat in a back room somewhere and wondered where this will leave us in the next 20-30 years.

We're over 7 billion now and will hit 8, 9, and 10 quickly.


I'm not looking for the tinfoil hat answers please, no rothschild enslavement bs, but can an intelligent person tell me what they have heard about overpopulation on Earth?


I've heard vague concepts a while back about how the population may stop growing at some point due to some reason I can't remember, like it will naturally cap out at 10 billion or so and it's not as serious of an issue as I remembered, but who knows how true that is.


Thoughts?
go on google earth and tell me theres not enough room to expand.
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Originally Posted By Hadtodoit⏩
I've wondered this, surely the heads of most major governments have sat in a back room somewhere and wondered where this will leave us in the next 20-30 years.

We're over 7 billion now and will hit 8, 9, and 10 quickly.


I'm not looking for the tinfoil hat answers please, no rothschild enslavement bs, but can an intelligent person tell me what they have heard about overpopulation on Earth?


I've heard vague concepts a while back about how the population may stop growing at some point due to some reason I can't remember, like it will naturally cap out at 10 billion or so and it's not as serious of an issue as I remembered, but who knows how true that is.


Thoughts?
It's my understanding the USA alone produces enough food to feed the entire world. There's clearly enough space too.

So IMO it's about distribution, cheap energy, and resource efficiency (the USA is extremely wasteful).
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Originally Posted By Condyle⏩
Nobody wants to deal with overpopulation because the problem is pretty muh unavoidable and about as grim as a problem an be. If we were to truly face up to it society would fracture at the seams, we would have to totally reorder what we think the future will look like. So who would want to talk about it, there's nothing we can do anyway.
It could easily be solved if the west engaged in hardcore imperialist takeovers of garbage countries like india and brazil. That requires a global war that most people would be uncomfortable with though.
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Originally Posted By brrealtea⏩
A really famous example of how changing the environment completely ****ed up a water supply is the Wular Lake in Kashmir.
This is an example opposite and counterintuitive to what I just told you.

During the 50s, there was a government initiative to plant Willow trees in order to produce paper, lumber and other wooden products. These willow trees managed to constrict the water feeding into the lake as well as changing the soil composition and clogging up all the water supply in the area.

As a result, the lake went from a crystal clear lake that you could previously see all the way to the bottom to a dried up muddy swamp with most of the fishes destroyed.


But that's not due to over population. That was due to poor land management by inbred retards who wipe their ass with their bare hands and hump almost as many underage boys as the mayor of Seattle.
Look at them just sitting in their boats in the middle of a desert wondering why they're not going anywhere lol. They don't even have oars.
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Originally Posted By brrealtea⏩
Water evaporates, yes. But if it just comes down right where you want it, we wouldn't need water reservoires and importing water to certain states of the country, farmlands, etc...

The issue is complex, but when we pump water from certain areas, we also change the soil composition, the temperature of the area, the wind, the climate, etc... When we disturb this equilibrium, the water may no longer fall back down back into its original areas. It can flush directly to the sea or to other states countries, so it becomes just saltwater or no longer accessible.

Of course, the environment is also part of this system. Wetlands, etc.. also make sure that water is retained in certain areas and doesn't completely evaporate into the air and go into some other zone. It also makes sure it doesn't erode the land and become completely unuseable.
I might need more understanding than that though.

Sure, water may move to areas and be absorbed but it's still not 'disappearing', it just requires different methods of retrieving. Wells pull water from land. Salt water will soon be more easily purified.

Example, if there are 100 gallons of water on earth (for sample purposes), 50 years from now, there should still be 100 gallons. Even if it's been drank, pissed out, evaporated, fallen back to earth via clouds, it's not like the water isdisappearingright?

Isn't it still accessible with technology?

I've never quite understood the term "wasting" water. Now, if we were pissing into space, sure, but that's one strong stream.

Is it just that it's harder to get when it falls in the wrong areas and that causes problems? It's not that water could literally disappear right?
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Originally Posted By Kubensis21⏩
go on google earth and tell me theres not enough room to expand.
Takes a lot more than just 'room', idiot.

Major house of cards we live on:
water quality, food (multiple problems like massive mono-crops, loss of topsoil etc) no new energy systems coming online, war, nuclear death, resistant bacteria etc.
Times ticking.

Some future generation will hate our opulence.
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I dunno but I think the average age in Japan is like 46, and the fertility rate has dropped down in almost every country from like 6+ kids to 2.5 kids. Russia, Japan, and a few other countries are experiencing a population decline so I'd imagine when more old people die the numbers will even out a bit. I'm pulling all of this info out mi butt so I could be totally wrong about everything. Anyways I'd appreciate some positive reps.
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Originally Posted By KMadigan777⏩
Takes a lot more than just 'room', idiot.

Major house of cards we live on:
water quality, food (multiple problems like massive mono-crops, loss of topsoil etc) no new energy systems coming online, war, nuclear death, resistant bacteria etc.
Times ticking.

Some future generation will hate our opulence.
nah google earth says no
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Originally Posted By SlothLord⏩
But that's not due to over population. That was due to poor land management by inbred retards who wipe their ass with their bare hands and hump almost as many underage boys as the mayor of Seattle.
Look at them just sitting in their boats in the middle of a desert wondering why they're not going anywhere lol. They don't even have oars.
Look at my earlier first post to this thread. I'm saying Overpopulation is not an immediate threat, and is nowhere as critical to our survival as misuse of water due to our heavy industries, overconsumption, overfarming, environmental and climate change.
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My thoughts are these:

1. We aren't close to overpopulating. We can always build vertically.
2. Overpopulation will most likely take care of itself some way or another.
3. Best bet is to colonize another planet, hopefully we get to that stage.
4. If all else fails, nuclear winter
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Any practical solution to the problem is going to be considered "inhumane." I suggest you watch Dr. Albert Bartlett's video here if you want a good discussion of the point.



Go to 16:18. Here he is talking about increasing population in the US, but you can extrapolate much of this to the world. Barring some serendipitous breakthrough in technology that further improves the carrying capacity of the earth, we are a train wreck in not so slow motion, and any action taken to reduce population will inevitably infringe upon basic human rights or things we aim for and consider "good".

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