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post 1547253491 03-23-2018, 07:31 PM
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I’m not vegan, but I am assuming you didn’t go out of your way to get or make tasty vegan dishes. Also did you supplement vitamin B12? A vegan CANT get this from diet.
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Originally Posted By Lpenny⏩
How can you detox your liver when the liver is the detoxing organ. That's like saying I'm gonna mop my mop.
Whenever someone says that they are getting rid of "toxins" or doing a "toxin cleanse", ask them what toxins they are talking about and watch them look like idiots.
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Originally Posted By DemiBrah⏩
Yea I guarantee that if you were to go eat a steak today your taste buds wouldn’t have to adjust to ****. I mean if this dogchit vegan food is natural you’d think you’d naturally enjoy it right? Maybe there’s a reason salad tastes good with chicken in it.....
Yeah brah fruits vegetables grains nuts and legumes are so unnatural lmaooooo
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Originally Posted By phillyfreak7⏩
Interesting... Goes vegan, health problems decrease, yet living healthy is no way to live...

It's not hard to be vegan. Hit your macros and figure out what's available to eat that you like. There is literally vegan everything at this point... Vegan wings, chicken nuggets, ribs, cookies, cakes, cheese, milk, and an overwhelming majority of them if you experiment a bit taste very good
all that processed **** and sugar is somehow healthier than fresh natural meat? lol jesus christ
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Probably one of the easiest most sustainable diets out there, sounds like you didn't know what you were doing OP.
post 1547259191 03-23-2018, 08:56 PM
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I tried it and energy levels legit dropped so low i wanted to die.

Destroyed a pull pork sandwich and suddenly had the will to live again. Literally it felt like heaven on earth leaving veganism behind. Would gladly exit earth 10 years sooner if it means I keep eating meat.
post 1547260901 03-23-2018, 09:23 PM
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white meat like chicken and fish is fine
post 1547261391 03-23-2018, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted By aspirex⏩
white meat like chicken and fish is fine
Saturated fat and cholesterol = heart disease or stroke
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I've been doing it (partially) for 6 months and its not so bad... it's a high maintenance diet though compared to just eating whatever the **** good quality veggies meats and grains and calling it a day. As a vegan you really gotta manage your diet since a lot of things aren't readibly available in plantbased foods that are present in animal products. I would surmise that the average lifter who doesn't want to pay attention to their dietary intake all the time is actually worse off going vegan than doing a typical bodybuilder diet. at least in the long term.
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woah hold up. detox your liver by not eating meat? where did you draw a relationship between meat and liver function impairment?
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The liver doesn't need a detox. It is the detoxifying organ. But there are compounds out there that show some promise in reducing liver inflammation (e.g. milk thistle) although there aren't strong controlled human studies on them as far as I know. If your liver was that impaired that it couldn't detox, you'd probably be dead or should have gotten a liver transplant by now.

I don't know how much you drank, but that's often a culprit for elevated transaminases. The other very common culprit in the US is a high-caloric diet leading to obese diabetics with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
So brahs first day of March from a blood test I found out my ALT (113) AST (46) and Creatinine (1,33) levels were too high. Then I decided to detox my liver by not drinking any alcohol or eating meat.

AST and Creatinine are fixed and ALT is lowered by half (58) but I'm feeling unhealthy af plus seeing all these people eating meat and getting drunk in front of me is a torture.

I'll drink a sixpack and eat tons of kebaps daily once this chits over. How tf do vegans do it??
Amazing how fast you lose LBM isn't it? I've had all kinds of unhealthy stints, eating like chit hardly moving etc, nothing had me lose LBM quicker then a vegan diet for a month. Was stunned because I was counting macros and taking in over 100g protein/day.
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i couldnt do it, ill go for some days without meat sometimes and feel just weak and unmotivated, then i have a nice big juicy burger, steak, or some crispy chicken..etc and im good to go.
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Originally Posted By BelieveBrah2018⏩
i couldnt do it, ill go for some days without meat sometimes and feel just weak and unmotivated, then i have a nice big juicy burger, steak, or some crispy chicken..etc and im good to go.
This srs.

If my meal had no meat in it it can never kill my hunger.
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Originally Posted By sowilson⏩
My daughter went vegan a year or so ago and it's really helped her loose weight. Instead of looking for vegan versions of cheese, milk, meat, etc. she's learned how to do it the right way and prepare foods that have been apart of vegitarian and vegan diets for a long time; spending 3 months in Thailand with her mom helped a lot in that regard. It's doable
Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
This.
It's not about eating a bunch of BS which at the end of the day is still processed ****, it's about eating raw foods.
Salads, fruits, vegetables.
I'm not vegan, meat makes up like 20% or less of my diet, and usually it's either fish or eggs, with the occasional red meat, basically one serving or less of meat per day.
I feel great on the diet and I'd have to try really hard to get fat, although I don't think I could ever completely give up meat as I don't think that's healthy.
Yup ^ those

Also, You guys need to realize there are different "metebolic types" of people / ethnicity's based on your origin. Some people need more meat than others. Etc etc.

I find it hilarious most people especially vegans think its one diet fits all. Nope. Not even close. Do what works for you and stop spouting how what works for you is the cure all for everyone.
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
all that processed **** and sugar is somehow healthier than fresh natural meat? lol jesus christ
I'm completely convinced 99.9% of people know absolutely nothing about nutrition... It's like religion. They just pick and choose what sounds good or what they like and go with it. Damn all the scientific data and studies related to nutrition.
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Originally Posted By phillyfreak7⏩
Vegans live longer because there's less risk of developing heart disease and cancer on a vegan diet. Very much the opposite of unhealthy.
The Native Americans of the Great Plains lived off of nothing but Bison yet they all lived passed 100.
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Originally Posted By iloveus⏩
The Native Americans of the Great Plains lived off of nothing but Bison yet they all lived passed 100.
Lmao you really believe that?
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
Saturated fat and cholesterol = heart disease or stroke
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22037012
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
Lmao you really believe that?
This. I know America mythologizes Native Americans for “using every part” of the bison they killed, but that doesn’t mean they subsisted purely off bison meat & blood without ever foraging. That’s where the “gather” part of hunter-gatherer comes in. Oh, & the average life-expectancy for a pre-colonial native was about 35 & few lived til’ 50. They respected the tribal “elders” for a reason...they lived that long. Come on, boyo.
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22037012
This isn't even a study LOL
It's not even a meta analysis
Lmao this is your evidence? What about the 395 metabolic ward experiments showing the connections? What about all major health orgs in the world recognizing this fact? The AMA, the WHO, the American dietetics association, lmao.
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
This isn't even a study LOL
It's not even a meta analysis
Lmao this is your evidence? What about the 395 metabolic ward experiments showing the connections? What about all major health orgs in the world recognizing this fact? The AMA, the WHO, the American dietetics association, lmao.
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648
During 5-23 y of follow-up of 347,747 subjects, 11,006 developed CHD or stroke. Intake of saturated fat was not associated with an increased risk of CHD, stroke, or CVD. The pooled relative risk estimates that compared extreme quantiles of saturated fat intake were 1.07 (95% CI: 0.96, 1.19; P = 0.22) for CHD, 0.81 (95% CI: 0.62, 1.05; P = 0.11) for stroke, and 1.00 (95% CI: 0.89, 1.11; P = 0.95) for CVD. Consideration of age, sex, and study quality did not change the results.
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I’ll never get it, I only know a few dudes that are vegan, they are in shape but they look pale and sick all the time. I think they don’t eat nearly enough, you probably have to eat a ton of vegan crap to get enough calories.


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Originally Posted By Strawng⏩
This. I know America mythologizes Native Americans for “using every part” of the bison they killed, but that doesn’t mean they subsisted purely off bison meat & blood without ever foraging. That’s where the “gather” part of hunter-gatherer comes in. Oh, & the average life-expectancy for a pre-colonial native was about 35 & few lived til’ 50. They respected the tribal “elders” for a reason...they lived that long. Come on, boyo.
From my understanding they ate all the organs and bone marrow and what not and gave the meat to the dogs.
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Originally Posted By phillyfreak7⏩
Vegans live longer because there's less risk of developing heart disease and cancer on a vegan diet. Very much the opposite of unhealthy.

I look the exact same as when I was eating meat. I hit the same exact micros and macros. Nothing has went down on me. I didn't lose even a pound going vegan.

No, they're just aware of 60 billion animals every year dying to feed people that is completely unnecessary at this point, environmentally damaging, and help contribute to higher rates of cancer and heart disease.
Hey can you tell us about your protein and carbs sources. It would be really helpful for me if I could see your exact diet and macros. Thanks!
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648





Now **** off
Sure wish i could see the studies included in the meta analysis so I could look at their designs and methods. Why is this meta analysis more valid than the meta analyses showing they are associated? Also note, your link only deals with saturated fat, not dietary cholesterol
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So what's the difference between veganism and vegetarianism? Just no dairy products?
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Originally Posted By bjjnovice⏩
Also note, your link only deals with saturated fat, not dietary cholesterol
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Volume 102, Issue 2, 1 August 2015, Pages 276–294,

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/102/2/276/4564504

Forty studies (17 cohorts in 19 publications with 361,923 subjects and 19 trials in 21 publications with 632 subjects) published between 1979 and 2013 were eligible for review. Dietary cholesterol was not statistically significantly associated with any coronary artery disease (4 cohorts; no summary RR), ischemic stroke (4 cohorts; summary RR: 1.13; 95% CI: 0.99, 1.28), or hemorrhagic stroke (3 cohorts; summary RR: 1.09; 95% CI: 0.79, 1.50).
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Originally Posted By olympianspirit⏩
Hey can you tell us about your protein and carbs sources. It would be really helpful for me if I could see your exact diet and macros. Thanks!
Silk vanilla almond/cashew milk, 10g of protein per 8oz
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Rice, apples, bananas, kiwi, oranges
Broc****, cauliflower, potatoes, sweet potatoes, spinach
Meatless meats by Quorn, Tofurky, Gardein, Morningstar

That's basically 90% of my diet
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