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All the new Star Wars suck dink.
The CGI is garbage.
The CGI is garbage.
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Originally Posted By devin45k⏩
My problem with the new Star Wars is that the new story they're telling doesn't seem to be going anywhere, while old characters they bring back are kinda distracting and they're just being killed off here and there. They're not doing enough to really continue the old story, and the new story just builds too slowly and I'm not sure if it's gonna even pay off. Snoke's arc was uneventful I feel like. And while Kylo's escalation is interesting, his dramatic dynamic only involves Rey at this point since Snoke, Luke, and Han (and soon to be Leia) are gone.All the new Star Wars suck dink.
The CGI is garbage.
The CGI is garbage.
I hope Luke's prophecy gives good ground for Rey's story to run on. I really liked how she flipped the jedi mind tricks on Kylo in the first movie. I think Luke's prophecy and Kylo's arc in conjunction with each other is interesting, but I'm not sure what Kylo's doing this for anymore aside from living up to his grandfather. Not really sure what they're up to with Finn and Poe's stories, but I'm open to it.
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I'm still pissed off about the Last Jedi.
Kennedy should be imprisoned for indoctrination AND imposing ****philia on young children (https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/22/17...sian-pansexual)
Kennedy should be imprisoned for indoctrination AND imposing ****philia on young children (https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/22/17...sian-pansexual)
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Originally Posted By NLnemesis⏩
I'm still pissed off about the Last Jedi.
Kennedy should be imprisoned for indoctrination AND imposing ****philia on young children (https://www.polygon.com/2018/5/22/17...sian-pansexual)
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06-06-2018, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
I didn't watch Rogue 1 in theater because had no interest in it but went to Last Jedi. That movie was an insult to what I know about star wars. It was fukking awful and your right I didn't even consider solo because of it.The losses will be greater, trust me. The people saying 80 million are the same ones who opined Soylo would open to 120-150 million domestic.
Moreover, even breaking even, it would be a monumental failure. Star Wars movies need to make money. Lucas didn't hand the property over to them for free. They plunked down a check for $4 billion dollars. That investment needs to pay every-damn-year, 10% (or $400 million) just to be considered "meh", 20% or more to begin to be considered a strong return.
So, while the profit for the year is more than just the returns for Soylo, you have the toys nobody is buying, the t-shirts nobody wears, the blurays that sit on shelves, and such, but Soylo actually losing money -- that is an absolute disaster.
Meanwhile, if you ask me, Soylo wasn't the worst. I didn't care for the casting and there was some Meh-ness to it, but it was not offensive like Last Jedi. No media outlets will even speculate that the cause of Soylo's failure might be backlash against Last Jedi. Major media sites completely ignore that even as a possibility - which says something. The fact they ALL refuse to talk about it, tells me that behind closed doors, someone has forbid them from doing so, and for someone to forbid something to be spoken means they realize there is truth to it.
Disney needs a strong course correction. This involves replacing the top (Kennedy) and acknowledging that telling the fans they're bigots and haters was unwise. Instead of ignoring reality and thinking the fans will accept any slop they serve. No more politics, particularly left-wing ones or weird feminist agendas. That has yet to pay off with any industry that's attempted it, to my knowledge.
Moreover, even breaking even, it would be a monumental failure. Star Wars movies need to make money. Lucas didn't hand the property over to them for free. They plunked down a check for $4 billion dollars. That investment needs to pay every-damn-year, 10% (or $400 million) just to be considered "meh", 20% or more to begin to be considered a strong return.
So, while the profit for the year is more than just the returns for Soylo, you have the toys nobody is buying, the t-shirts nobody wears, the blurays that sit on shelves, and such, but Soylo actually losing money -- that is an absolute disaster.
Meanwhile, if you ask me, Soylo wasn't the worst. I didn't care for the casting and there was some Meh-ness to it, but it was not offensive like Last Jedi. No media outlets will even speculate that the cause of Soylo's failure might be backlash against Last Jedi. Major media sites completely ignore that even as a possibility - which says something. The fact they ALL refuse to talk about it, tells me that behind closed doors, someone has forbid them from doing so, and for someone to forbid something to be spoken means they realize there is truth to it.
Disney needs a strong course correction. This involves replacing the top (Kennedy) and acknowledging that telling the fans they're bigots and haters was unwise. Instead of ignoring reality and thinking the fans will accept any slop they serve. No more politics, particularly left-wing ones or weird feminist agendas. That has yet to pay off with any industry that's attempted it, to my knowledge.
Not gonna lie still watch the marvel stuff though, but starwars is just going the opposite direction. Force awakens had sketchy as fukk plot devices but it wasn't that bad like Last Jedi with a script written by a 12 year old. Rogue 1 was alright and surprisingly not bad like I expected it to be
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06-06-2018, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted By devin45k⏩
Aside from that, they should have just found a way to follow the books and skip to the part where Luke was in his elder years with a re-established Jedi Order. What really made me mad was most of the new Star Wars films take little snippets from the Expanded Universe books. LAZY and UNORIGINAL. They turned Luke into a total puzzy, Kylo Ren and Snoke are weak antagonists. The story is going nowhere and I'm positive the writers are just winging most of it.All the new Star Wars suck dink.
The CGI is garbage.
The CGI is garbage.
They could have found a way to follow the books. They could have did the late story arc where an unknown race from another galaxy invade. The Imperal Remnant and the New Republic had to band together to stop them.
06-06-2018, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By ajctennis⏩
Strong this.The last jedi was absolute garbage and tarnished the star wars legacy. Solo however was an entertaining movie and definitely worth watching. It was lightyears ahead of the last jedi. We'd have to know more about who has complete creative control but the perception is that Kathleen has all the power. If that's the case she has got to go asap.
I was surprised by how good Solo actually was. Would see again/10
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06-06-2018, 02:51 PM
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Just give me a Rated R Bob Fett movie directed by Christopher Nolan in the same dark tone as the Batman movies and we can call it even.
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Originally Posted By EnderG60⏩
You've seen all the films up to Solo. I think you're going to watch the next one bro.Movie studios mess with the numbers to show movies that do great as being a loss for tax and insurance reasons. The public numbers dont mean jack.
The movies themselves do, and they suck.
The reason the prequels sucked was because they were geared toward kids, making them really stupid and childish. When Disney bought the rights I knew it would be even worse because they will and have shoved all the empowerment and equality BS down our throats.
Unless they start making star wars rated R, Im not gonna bother watching them anymore. Solo was total chit and it actually broke my heart.
The movies themselves do, and they suck.
The reason the prequels sucked was because they were geared toward kids, making them really stupid and childish. When Disney bought the rights I knew it would be even worse because they will and have shoved all the empowerment and equality BS down our throats.
Unless they start making star wars rated R, Im not gonna bother watching them anymore. Solo was total chit and it actually broke my heart.
I couldn't make it to TLJ, but wife and son went, and I was going to catch it the next week. She came back and said not to waste my time. didn't see Solo either.
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06-06-2018, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By GreenArrow89⏩
that was the one weak point of it, except the droid was well done, and the blind guy was interesting... overall it's execution 'felt' like an actual star wars moviethat poop Jar Jar stepped in to has more personality than all Rouge 1 characters combined
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
I feel like they have the attitude of cruise control writing. Basically they go in with the attitude knowing that anything with the Star Wars label on it will have an automatic revenue stream because Star Wars fans will show up even with bad reviews.Aside from that, they should have just found a way to follow the books and skip to the part where Luke was in his elder years with a re-established Jedi Order. What really made me mad was most of the new Star Wars films take little snippets from the Expanded Universe books. LAZY and UNORIGINAL. They turned Luke into a total puzzy, Kylo Ren and Snoke are weak antagonists. The story is going nowhere and I'm positive the writers are just winging most of it.
They could have found a way to follow the books. They could have did the late story arc where an unknown race from another galaxy invade. The Imperal Remnant and the New Republic had to band together to stop them.
They could have found a way to follow the books. They could have did the late story arc where an unknown race from another galaxy invade. The Imperal Remnant and the New Republic had to band together to stop them.
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Her resume is admittedly pretty damn good. Lots of truly great movies there. Some mediocre ones, but I cannot spot any box office failures at least at first glance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathle...r)#Filmography
Having the new Star Wars movies break box office records is not much of a feat though. Star Wars is the mother of movie franchises. The only franchise, that will never make people cringe for coming up with bazillions of sequels. Any Star Wars film will be highly successful.
That being said, I didn't like the creative direction the last two movies went. The first one was a pretty cheap nostalgia trip made to tick all boxes. The second one was a pretty incoherent mess that murdered most of the set expectations in a lame way. It also had some really stupid dialogue at times, which made me question Rian Johnson's intellectual capacities.
Both movies still had some cool looking moments at times, but both were a lot worse than exspected.
Many of the more awkward stuff seems more like things a producer would decide and not nsomething the writers would even care about, which is why I think Star War would be better off without her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathle...r)#Filmography
Having the new Star Wars movies break box office records is not much of a feat though. Star Wars is the mother of movie franchises. The only franchise, that will never make people cringe for coming up with bazillions of sequels. Any Star Wars film will be highly successful.
That being said, I didn't like the creative direction the last two movies went. The first one was a pretty cheap nostalgia trip made to tick all boxes. The second one was a pretty incoherent mess that murdered most of the set expectations in a lame way. It also had some really stupid dialogue at times, which made me question Rian Johnson's intellectual capacities.
Both movies still had some cool looking moments at times, but both were a lot worse than exspected.
Many of the more awkward stuff seems more like things a producer would decide and not nsomething the writers would even care about, which is why I think Star War would be better off without her.
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Originally Posted By ajctennis⏩
revenue= profit?Disney is doing just fine, they've already made well over 4 billion in revenue from star wars movies not including toys and disneyland attractions. Having said that they have to get their act together for their next star wars movies. Disney also owns the rights for Indiana Jones. Great, another franchise they can destroy.
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No, which is why I said revenue and not profit because I'm not sure what the profit margins are. I personally think Lucasfilm was undervalued at 4 billion. Disney will easily make their money back.
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It's a worldwide flop because of sexist, straight, white males....
Things aren't looking good for episode 9.
Things aren't looking good for episode 9.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
You'll notice as her creative control over the movies rise, the quality decreases drastically. A perfect example is the absolute chit show that was avatar: the last air bender. No one associated with that should have been allowed to make another movie without starting over but here we are watching KK in charge of the most popular franchise in history.Her resume is admittedly pretty damn good. Lots of truly great movies there. Some mediocre ones, but I cannot spot any box office failures at least at first glance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathle...r)#Filmography
Having the new Star Wars movies break box office records is not much of a feat though. Star Wars is the mother of movie franchises. The only franchise, that will never make people cringe for coming up with bazillions of sequels. Any Star Wars film will be highly successful.
That being said, I didn't like the creative direction the last two movies went. The first one was a pretty cheap nostalgia trip made to tick all boxes. The second one was a pretty incoherent mess that murdered most of the set expectations in a lame way. It also had some really stupid dialogue at times, which made me question Rian Johnson's intellectual capacities.
Both movies still had some cool looking moments at times, but both were a lot worse than exspected.
Many of the more awkward stuff seems more like things a producer would decide and not nsomething the writers would even care about, which is why I think Star War would be better off without her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathle...r)#Filmography
Having the new Star Wars movies break box office records is not much of a feat though. Star Wars is the mother of movie franchises. The only franchise, that will never make people cringe for coming up with bazillions of sequels. Any Star Wars film will be highly successful.
That being said, I didn't like the creative direction the last two movies went. The first one was a pretty cheap nostalgia trip made to tick all boxes. The second one was a pretty incoherent mess that murdered most of the set expectations in a lame way. It also had some really stupid dialogue at times, which made me question Rian Johnson's intellectual capacities.
Both movies still had some cool looking moments at times, but both were a lot worse than exspected.
Many of the more awkward stuff seems more like things a producer would decide and not nsomething the writers would even care about, which is why I think Star War would be better off without her.
There's absolutely no point in going to see episode IV because the timeline resembles an 8 year old's abstract impression of a picasso painting at this point. Everything is "because reasons".
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Originally Posted By devin45k⏩
I agree, and this rustles me beyond my limit. At this point I'm ready for them to end it and to just let it die.I feel like they have the attitude of cruise control writing. Basically they go in with the attitude knowing that anything with the Star Wars label on it will have an automatic revenue stream because Star Wars fans will show up even with bad reviews.
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I feel like the only thing that could redeem SW at this point is a Vader spin off during the time gap where Anakin became the ultimate badass after being defeated by Kenobi and before Luke took down the Empire, where Vader and Palpatine basically enslaved the entire galaxy with an iron first. With competent directors and producers think of the potential.
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Originally Posted By devin45k⏩
I mean, that is why they bought it from Lucas for billions.I feel like they have the attitude of cruise control writing. Basically they go in with the attitude knowing that anything with the Star Wars label on it will have an automatic revenue stream because Star Wars fans will show up even with bad reviews.
Spend $4 billion, make back $12 billion, appeal to a mass crowd, spend as few creative resources as possible / vertically integrate, profit.
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Originally Posted By irollurmom⏩
Rumor is that overall it was much more comedic in tone, that L3-37 was a complete parody of SJW feminist/activist culture (and not just a subtle or debatable one) and that those two taken together were too much.I feel like the reason Solo bombed so hard was because the original directors, Phil Lord and Christopher Miller (21 Jump Street, Lego Movie), were fgonna make a meta-commentary about how TLJ tried way too hard to appeal to the SJW crowd and Kennedy didn't like that - so she fired them and hired Ron Howard to do the re-shoots.
SJWs can NOT handle criticism, they'll spend $200,000,000 to reshoot a finished movie rather than suffer light criticism/mockery.
Originally Posted By ajctennis⏩
This is demonstrably bullchit.Disney is doing just fine, they've already made well over 4 billion in revenue from star wars movies not including toys and disneyland attractions. Having said that they have to get their act together for their next star wars movies. Disney also owns the rights for Indiana Jones. Great, another franchise they can destroy.
Complete and utter garbage.
Disney, as I've pointed out, spend $4,000,000,000 to get the rights. They need to make 10-20% return on that annually to be considered a good investment. Meaning, they need to make $400,000,000 minimum just to go, "meh". 4 billion "revenue" doesn't cut it when you have to consider the costs of the movies, the marketing, them splitting that revenue with theaters and such.
FA, TLJ and Rogue One were profitable, no doubt, they made money, they did what they needed to do - but don't fuk around and kid yourself that somehow revenue = profits or ignore that any profits below $400 million are unacceptable and would be a failure.
Soylo *losing* money, not even paying for it's production much less making a profit, and likely by $100,000,000 or more -- that's fuking horrific for Disney. Instead of making $400,000,000 to basically break even, they're in the fuking red on this one. That is a disaster of epic proportions.
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Originally Posted By KingKringe⏩
Done right this would have epic potential.I feel like the only thing that could redeem SW at this point is a Vader spin off during the time gap where Anakin became the ultimate badass after being defeated by Kenobi and before Luke took down the Empire, where Vader and Palpatine basically enslaved the entire galaxy with an iron first. With competent directors and producers think of the potential.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
It's safer to exist in a bubble, and talk about how everything is fine. Force Awakens made around 2.1 billion dollars I believe. The Last Jedi made 1.3 billion dollars. Solo is a flop, the future isn't looking good for Episode 9.Rumor is that overall it was much more comedic in tone, that L3-37 was a complete parody of SJW feminist/activist culture (and not just a subtle or debatable one) and that those two taken together were too much.
SJWs can NOT handle criticism, they'll spend $200,000,000 to reshoot a finished movie rather than suffer light criticism/mockery.
This is demonstrably bullchit.
Complete and utter garbage.
Disney, as I've pointed out, spend $4,000,000,000 to get the rights. They need to make 10-20% return on that annually to be considered a good investment. Meaning, they need to make $400,000,000 minimum just to go, "meh". 4 billion "revenue" doesn't cut it when you have to consider the costs of the movies, the marketing, them splitting that revenue with theaters and such.
FA, TLJ and Rogue One were profitable, no doubt, they made money, they did what they needed to do - but don't fuk around and kid yourself that somehow revenue = profits or ignore that any profits below $400 million are unacceptable and would be a failure.
Soylo *losing* money, not even paying for it's production much less making a profit, and likely by $100,000,000 or more -- that's fuking horrific for Disney. Instead of making $400,000,000 to basically break even, they're in the fuking red on this one. That is a disaster of epic proportions.
SJWs can NOT handle criticism, they'll spend $200,000,000 to reshoot a finished movie rather than suffer light criticism/mockery.
This is demonstrably bullchit.
Complete and utter garbage.
Disney, as I've pointed out, spend $4,000,000,000 to get the rights. They need to make 10-20% return on that annually to be considered a good investment. Meaning, they need to make $400,000,000 minimum just to go, "meh". 4 billion "revenue" doesn't cut it when you have to consider the costs of the movies, the marketing, them splitting that revenue with theaters and such.
FA, TLJ and Rogue One were profitable, no doubt, they made money, they did what they needed to do - but don't fuk around and kid yourself that somehow revenue = profits or ignore that any profits below $400 million are unacceptable and would be a failure.
Soylo *losing* money, not even paying for it's production much less making a profit, and likely by $100,000,000 or more -- that's fuking horrific for Disney. Instead of making $400,000,000 to basically break even, they're in the fuking red on this one. That is a disaster of epic proportions.
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Originally Posted By KingKringe⏩
This.I feel like the only thing that could redeem SW at this point is a Vader spin off during the time gap where Anakin became the ultimate badass after being defeated by Kenobi and before Luke took down the Empire, where Vader and Palpatine basically enslaved the entire galaxy with an iron first. With competent directors and producers think of the potential.
Or a Darth Maul movie.
Or a recast Luke Skywalker post-ROTJ movie.
Or a Kenobi movie.
But who are we kidding? These would all star a white dude, so we're out of luck.
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Star Wars fans are the biggest crybabies. Most overrated franchise ever? Hope they make Ep 9 the biggest cuck fest possible. Trololol
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Originally Posted By lockdev⏩
Darth Maul is white? Plus, Ray Parker is too old for all of those stunts.This.
Or a Darth Maul movie.
Or a recast Luke Skywalker post-ROTJ movie.
Or a Kenobi movie.
But who are we kidding? These would all star a white dude, so we're out of luck.
Or a Darth Maul movie.
Or a recast Luke Skywalker post-ROTJ movie.
Or a Kenobi movie.
But who are we kidding? These would all star a white dude, so we're out of luck.
06-06-2018, 06:40 PM
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Heavily SJW biased website dorksideoftheforce is reporting that she is going to step down this fall.
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06-06-2018, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
It's going to take a lot more then that to save Star Wars.Heavily SJW biased website dorksideoftheforce is reporting that she is going to step down this fall.
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