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post 1564855691 10-29-2018, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Honestly not sure if I want to fly overseas again until Vladimir Tatarenko's new plane design gets put into production.

Neat design, if the water is warm enough it will heat the frankfurts on the side of the plane and they can have plenty of food.
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Originally Posted By snailsrus⏩
you are way more likely to die in a car crash than an airplane

Let that sink in
There are a lot of people that will argue against this and no idea why. I travel via plane...A LOT and at times I drive and I’m at much greater danger driving.

I have to drive about 6 hours from home this Wednesday and I’m not looking forward to it at all. Flying...just getting on a bus in the sky and boom you’re there. The fear of flying is silly IMO.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Flying...just getting on a bus in the sky and boom you’re there. The fear of flying is silly IMO.
Rationally you (and others) are right. I mean, I'm not scared 'of flying', but I do get nervous if I'm going through really bad turbulence, the plane drops almost 1000 feet in a lurch, the overhead compartments burst open (this has happened on flights to me from Berlin to Italy crossing over South Tyrol and the mountains there). I get nervous becauseifsomething goes wrongthenI will not be able to really do anything about it.

I think drivers feel far more 'safe' because they feel like they drive 'safe' and therefore the odds of them being in a life ending car accident are (in their minds) non existent. But there are plenty of douchebag drivers - wife got rear ended at a stop sign by some moron on his phone who 'didn't see her'. That's the second time she has been in an accident in the past few months...lots of reckless drivers these days, morons on their phones or doing something distracting instead of driving safe.

So I get the general point from a statistics point of view, but it's just that when things 'feel bad' in a plane the realization of plane crashes almost always involving many fatalities...it trumps the rational part of the brain when comparing that to driving experiences.
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Originally Posted By smithshreds⏩
We're all just organisms brah
Yeah... wait till you lose someone.
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how did everyone die? couldnt they float onto something and wait for rescue to come? very sad and tragic news..i fly across the atlantic to europe every summer
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Wow. I actually flew on Lion Air last year. Awful news.
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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Honestly not sure if I want to fly overseas again until Vladimir Tatarenko's new plane design gets put into production.

Vladimir doesn't like pilots does he?
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Originally Posted By dj924s⏩
Kinetic energy. Did you ever jump into a pool, and do a belly flopper? you get a stinging sensation. Increase the force by about 200. The binding energy of the water remains consistent, but the kinetic energy of a body increases with speed causing the body to have less binding energy. So at high speeds, hitting water is equal to hitting a solid.
wat if the plane nose dives into the water? i would imagine some people could survive the initial impact and then find a way to survive
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
Rationally you (and others) are right. I mean, I'm not scared 'of flying', but I do get nervous if I'm going through really bad turbulence, the plane drops almost 1000 feet in a lurch, the overhead compartments burst open (this has happened on flights to me from Berlin to Italy crossing over South Tyrol and the mountains there). I get nervous becauseifsomething goes wrongthenI will not be able to really do anything about it.

I think drivers feel far more 'safe' because they feel like they drive 'safe' and therefore the odds of them being in a life ending car accident are (in their minds) non existent. But there are plenty of douchebag drivers - wife got rear ended at a stop sign by some moron on his phone who 'didn't see her'. That's the second time she has been in an accident in the past few months...lots of reckless drivers these days, morons on their phones or doing something distracting instead of driving safe.

So I get the general point from a statistics point of view, but it's just that when things 'feel bad' in a plane the realization of plane crashes almost always involving many fatalities...it trumps the rational part of the brain when comparing that to driving experiences.
I understand but in a plane you’re having to worry about very little as there are FAA requirements, you’re only concerned about 2 pilots instead of 50k (drivers) and I go to big cities and people are fukin nuts and don’t care.

Have you ever driven on 95 around the major cities like DC? Speed limit is 65...even the cops are going 90 lol
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post 1564859401 10-29-2018, 04:36 AM
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Sad news, RIP.

Going to Europe at the end of November and this doesn't make me feel good lol

I guess this fatality shows that Indonesia still has poor aircraft safety despite the EU lifting its ban on flights by Indonesian air carriers.
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There were 181 passengers (178 adults and three children) on board the aircraft, as well as six cabin crew and two pilots.[8] Lion Air identified the flight's captain as Bhavye Suneja, an Indian who had flown for the airline for seven years and had about 6,000 hours of flight time, with his Indonesian co-pilot who had about 5,000 hours of flight time.[4]Twenty Ministry of Finance employees,[10] seven Bangka Belitung Regional People's Representative Council members[13] and three high and national court judges[14] were among the passengers.
Originally Posted By VegasLifter26⏩
wat if the plane nose dives into the water? i would imagine some people could survive the initial impact and then find a way to survive
no, there was one airplane that crashed at sea and even though it glided at lower speeds and had no fuel it broke up in 3 pieces cause the water had waves and such wasnt as even as the hudson river one.

After the engine failure, the Captain requested an emergency landing in Palermo, Sicily. The crew tried repeatedly but unsuccessfully to restart the engines as they navigated to Palermo. The ATR glided for 16 minutes, but was unable to reach the runway and the plane was forced to ditch into the sea, 23 nautical miles (43 kilometres) northeast of Palermo International Airport at thespeed of 145 miles per hour (65 metres per second; 233 kilometres per hour). The aircraft broke into three sections upon impact.[3]

The entire aircraft floated for some time after the crash, but only the central fuselage and the wings remained floating. Patrol boats from Palermo arrived 46 minutes after the ditching and began the rescue and recovery.[citation needed]

Autopsies indicated that many of the dead succumbed to the impact.[5] Autopsies established that eight passengers who received injuries during the impact were unable to escape from the aircraft due to their injuries and ultimately drowned.[4]

Date 6 August 2005
Summary Ditching, fuel exhaustion
Site Mediterranean Sea, near Sicily

Passengers 35
Crew 4
Fatalities 16
Injuries 11
Survivors 23

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Isn’t this the same airline that took heat for letting a fat old prick bully a old African American woman and they gave him a seat all to him self because of it? It’s pretty much game over for them.
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I can’t imagine the feeling of knowing your plane if about to crash, that must be truly terrifying, rip.
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
I understand but in a plane you’re having to worry about very little as there are FAA requirements, you’re only concerned about 2 pilots instead of 50k (drivers) and I go to big cities and people are fukin nuts and don’t care.

Have you ever driven on 95 around the major cities like DC? Speed limit is 65...even the cops are going 90 lol
Heh, it took me some getting used to but it was the autobahn in Germany that did it. When I visited my wife's family and she (really needed to tinkle) started racing home on the autobahn hitting over 160 (mph) in her dad's car...and at first I thought 'wtf' but then...lots of people were driving that fast. Everyone seemed more focused.

I don't have stats on hand and I do guess that high speed accidents are almost always fatal, but I'm more concerned about the jerkoff that thinks it is more important to check the cell phone while driving than the people who are driving fast if you get what I mean - even speeding. Heck, don't you keep an eye out for all those jerks on the road? 'Cautious driving'?
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Originally Posted By bobbydigitaloa⏩
Have you ever driven on 95 around the major cities like DC? Speed limit is 65...even the cops are going 90 lol
Lold. True though. People honk and get fired up if you drive slower than 75.
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Originally Posted By Xgamer791⏩
Isn’t this the same airline that took heat for letting a fat old prick bully a old African American woman and they gave him a seat all to him self because of it? It’s pretty much game over for them.
Wasnt that some Irish airline?
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117m dollar plane

The aircraft involved was a Boeing 737 MAX 8 with registration PK-LQP, powered by two CFM International LEAP engines.It had been delivered new to Lion Air on 13 August 2018 and flown to Indonesia two months before the accident.[5] At the time of the accident, the aircraft had flown about 800 hours in service.[6] This is the first accident involving a 737 MAX since the type's entry into service in 2017.[7]

The flight took off from Jakarta at 6:20 a.m local time (23:20 UTC) and was scheduled to arrive at Depati Amir Airport in Pangkal Pinang, Indonesia at 7:20 a.m.[8] It took off in a westward direction before circling around to a northeasterly heading, which it held until crashing offshore at about 6:33 a.m. northeast of Jakarta in waters estimated to be up to 35 metres (115 ft) deep.[9] The aircraft reached a maximum altitude of about 5,000 feet (1,500 m) before descending and climbing several times until its final transmission showed it at an altitude of about 3,650 feet (1,110 m) with a speed of 345 knots (397 mph).[10] According to an official at Pangkal Pinang's search and rescue office, the flight crew had requested clearance to return to the Jakarta airport at some point during the flight.[11]The accident site was located 34 nautical miles (63 km) off the coast of the Karawang Regency on the island of Java.[6][12]
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
So I get the general point from a statistics point of view, but it's just that when things 'feel bad' in a plane the realization of plane crashes almost always involving many fatalities...it trumps the rational part of the brain when comparing that to driving experiences.
When the National Transportation Safety Board studied accidents between 1983 and 2000 involving 53,487 passengers, they found that 51,207 survived. That's 95.7 percent.
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if they get the plane , mechanics could be fkd , all you need to do is leave a screw out of an aileron or flap and they are toast

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Originally Posted By hardestgainer⏩
Honestly not sure if I want to fly overseas again until Vladimir Tatarenko's new plane design gets put into production.

bout fukkin time. I always thought an idea would be to open the plane and start ejecting passengers out with parachuted seats but this is a way better idea
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Originally Posted By MesoPeaks⏩
yeah man...

every time I fly I feel like any moment I will die...

Yes, I fly every now and then.
That's the risk we take for the chance to go somewhere that will hopefully bring us enjoyment. Life without risk is boring AF. I turn my music on and accept that my plane might go down. Fuk it, yolo boyo
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Originally Posted By Briangumble⏩
That's because we drive cars every single day. There's not many people that are flying in airplanes every single day. And most people survive car crashes.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
In a third world country you're pretty likely to die from both.

It was a Boeing 737, crashed 13 minutes into the flight. That's a solid aircraft and well beyond where air anomalies are dangerous. Either pilot or maintenance error.

Brb never flying 3rd world airlines
Yea, a whole lot of things have to happen for aircraft to crash at this point. The likelihood of that is a lot higher if you're flying an airline with poorly trained pilots, mechanics, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._aircraft#2018Pretty interesting list of commercial air disasters.
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Originally Posted By BalkanKing⏩
117m dollar plane

The aircraft involved was a Boeing 737 MAX 8 with registration PK-LQP, powered by two CFM International LEAP engines.It had been delivered new to Lion Air on 13 August 2018 and flown to Indonesia two months before the accident.[5] At the time of the accident, the aircraft had flown about 800 hours in service.[6] This is the first accident involving a 737 MAX since the type's entry into service in 2017.[7]

The flight took off from Jakarta at 6:20 a.m local time (23:20 UTC) and was scheduled to arrive at Depati Amir Airport in Pangkal Pinang, Indonesia at 7:20 a.m.[8] It took off in a westward direction before circling around to a northeasterly heading, which it held until crashing offshore at about 6:33 a.m. northeast of Jakarta in waters estimated to be up to 35 metres (115 ft) deep.[9] The aircraft reached a maximum altitude of about 5,000 feet (1,500 m) before descending and climbing several times until its final transmission showed it at an altitude of about 3,650 feet (1,110 m) with a speed of 345 knots (397 mph).[10] According to an official at Pangkal Pinang's search and rescue office, the flight crew had requested clearance to return to the Jakarta airport at some point during the flight.[11]The accident site was located 34 nautical miles (63 km) off the coast of the Karawang Regency on the island of Java.[6][12]
Very strange to be going that fast at that altitude right after takeoff and strange to be going that fast at 3650 feet when they had enough altitude to attempt a controlled glide back to the airport. Something went very, very wrong with the plane.

By the way, Lion Air was banned from service in the USA and Europe due to shoddy maintenance of their planes until a couple years ago.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
Very strange to be going that fast at that altitude right after takeoff and strange to be going that fast at 3650 feet when they had enough altitude to attempt a controlled glide back to the airport. Something went very, very wrong with the plane.

By the way, Lion Air was banned from service in the USA and Europe due to shoddy maintenance of their planes until a couple years ago.
Crazy that it was a brand new 737 MAX, Ive been following those since release oddly enough. Def a serious, serious mechanical malfultion with the plane I would think. Very curious about investigation results. RIP passengers :/
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Hasn't this been the second Indonesian flight in the more recent years that crashed and/or went missing? Scary.

With that said I feel much safer in an airplane than driving in a car on average.
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Lion air was banned from flying to European union for like 10 years.. recently just got the ban hammer removed. You know you're a ****ty airline to when you're banned from certain countries.

Flying 3rd world airlines is pretty sketchy, especially those southeast asians ones. No thx jeffery
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Originally Posted By knightofday⏩
Crazy that it was a brand new 737 MAX, Ive been following those since release oddly enough. Def a serious, serious mechanical malfultion with the plane I would think. Very curious about investigation results. RIP passengers :/
I don't know the rules over there but in the US you do not exceed 250 KIAS under 10,000 feet. Nor would you anyway in the middle of your take-off climb. So those are crazy speeds at that altitude and indicate the plane was completely out of control.

I would say its another suicide pilot except they asked for permission to turn around and come back to the airport.

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Originally Posted By BalkanKing⏩
According to an official at Pangkal Pinang's search and rescue office, the flight crew had requested clearance to return to the Jakarta airport at some point during the flight.
Ok, so I've seen this happen a few times, where a plane has crashed and then you find out later that it requested permission to land earlier on OR permission to change its course/altitude due to weather/other issues. What kind of bothers me (admittingly I'm no where near an avian expert) is the fact that a few times I've read this, the request was denied. It kind of annoys me, I mean if I get radio call from a pilot and he's like hey we need to change course because we getting bad turbulence from a storm near by or something, you'd expect that be the number 1 priority. I do understand that planes are built by nature to experience way worse than this. But if a pilot is calling it in and he says its bad then like try to help.

I do understand that there are routes, and sooo many planes at one time in the nearby vicinity, but still, I feel like either the pilot doesn't request the permission strong enough, or simply air control is like nah. I mean if I was a pilot, and I was experiencing stupid shi*, like a bad storm or a malfunction and requested to go back to land or change route, I'd let air control that I actually need this ASAP.

I remember I read once, that a plane was going through an unexpected storm (or something along those lines) and it actually requested to change its route (or change altitude - cant remember) and they denied the request. Like wtf? I'm pretty sure it the air asia crash in Indonesia.

It kind of pisses me off, if a pilot is saying hey i need this, and they are experiencing it first hand (mind you with many hours under their belts), you'd try to make it a huge priority to make it happen.

Mind you - I'm not having a go at anyone, but I mean you'd assume a pilot knows best, and when he needs something, try to get it ASAP.

EDIT: Saw this update on this plane.
The flight made a request to air traffic control to return to the airport about 12 miles out from takeoff, but did not indicate there was any emergency, Yohanes Sirait, spokesman for AirNav Indonesia, the agency that oversees air traffic navigation, told CNN.
The spokesman added thatthe aircraft would have been given priority landing upon such a request, but that air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane shortly after. The plane had not turned back, according to the radar.

Edit 2:Authorities said they are still trying to locate the emergency locator transmitter, which is currently not transmitting.. Shi* =(



RIP to all the souls.
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