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11-20-2018, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩

Please, explain more why you think that?

like i nearly fell for it myself. he breaks down religion, mainly christianity as if its a story to be interpreted and thats it. a lot of people love it, because they deep down want to believe but here comes peterson to stop them at the deck. you cant believe if its just a story essentially. and of course the way he interprets the bible is misleading as well id argue. so its like two things stacked ontop for the impressionable young 20 year old dude like myself not too long ago

11-20-2018, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩

I agree with a lot of what he says, but I'm laughing at anyone that pays money to watch people like him talk. I don't care what side of the political spectrum you're on, paying to politically circle jerk is f'ing odd to me. Just watch the videos. He's not a rock star or athlete. Why the fuk do I need to see him live.

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11-20-2018, 03:41 AM

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Peterson: Hierarchies are natural and have positive aspects
Viewers: YAY!
Peterson: People freely exchanging goods and services for money is good for the civilization
Viewers: YES!
Peterson: Being successful or rich isn't a sin
Viewers: F*CK YEAH!
Peterson: *Provides goods and services, exchanges money, rises to the top of the hierarchy, becomes rich and successful*
Viewers: NOW WAIT JUST A SECOND HERE--!

lmao I will never understand you people
50% of what Peterson talks about is why free market capitalism is preferable to marxist systems, and you're surprised that his business model has a focus in turning a profit?

11-20-2018, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted By grinching90⏩

His daughter loves taking non-stop selfies of her in just her underwear/bikini, there's even one with her infant daughter behind her.

His daughter is a total thot lmao, I saw that IG post and the first comment is "clean your room" hahaha

11-20-2018, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted By Anbessa⏩

Peterson: Hierarchies are natural and have positive aspects
Viewers: YAY!
Peterson: People freely exchanging goods and services for money is good for the civilization
Viewers: YES!
Peterson: Being successful or rich isn't a sin
Viewers: F*CK YEAH!
Peterson: *Provides goods and services, exchanges money, rises to the top of the hierarchy, becomes rich and successful*
Viewers: NOW WAIT JUST A SECOND HERE--!

lmao I will never understand you people
50% of what Peterson talks about is why free market capitalism is preferable to marxist systems, and you're surprised that his business model has a focus in turning a profit?

just a thought. if hierarchies are good, why doesnt he advocate monarchy lol.

11-20-2018, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted By davik⏩

just a thought. if hierarchies are good, why doesnt he advocate monarchy lol.

Monarchy's aren't competence/merit based and therefore don't necessarily benefit the common person by "exploiting" the labor of the most talented and capable
Enforced hierarchies vs natural hierarchies

I'm neutral on Peterson personally, but he does make that point in his talks when discussing the dangers of the far right and actual tyranny vs lefties crying about inequity.
And as far as I know, he specifies that hierarchies aren't necessarily "good" but are inevitable and in certain aspects preferable to the contrary propositions within Marxist ideologies.

11-20-2018, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted By Anbessa⏩

Monarchy's aren't competence/merit based and therefore don't necessarily benefit the common person by "exploiting" the labor of the most talented and capable
Enforced hierarchies vs natural hierarchies

I'm neutral on Peterson personally, but he does make that point in his talks when discussing the dangers of the far right and actual tyranny vs lefties crying about inequity.

i dont want to get into the far right thing, but you just admitted one of the biggest problems with peterson in that he is a plant to stop people going to the far right lol. hes even got you on board.

but, i reckon democracy as of now is totally not merit based lol. besides, the roman empire got pretty far. its been done in the past where people prospered. so just something to think about when it comes to what peterson says versus how it actually plays out. hes pretty much advocating materialism as well, where you slave away at your job to make some more money and for what? so the whole competence hierarchy isnt that great of an idea. hes totally not considering other forces. the easiest ones are genetics for bodybuilding/sports and nepotism for example. much more effective than competence as can be demonstrated

11-20-2018, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted By davik⏩

i dont want to get into the far right thing, but you just admitted one of the biggest problems with peterson in that he is a plant to stop people going to the far right lol. hes even got you on board.

but, i reckon democracy as of now is totally not merit based lol.

I'm really trying to work with you here dude but wtf kind of logic is that? Anbessa didn't admit chit.

Saying hierarchies are inevitable and more useful than striving for equity across all demographics, while simultaneously acknowledging the downsides of hierarchies does NOT EQUAL BEING A PLANT TO STOP BEING GOING FAR RIGHT.

Like how the heck do you make that leap? wtf am I reading. Have you ever heard of critical thinking? Just because you highlight the advantages and disadvantages of two different systems does not mean you're a puppet.

Also, democracy is not merit based nowadays because of the socialist equity based affirmative action that's happening more and more. He acknowledges also that some people are born into money, some people are born healthier, and some people overall are born with a higher IQ than others so it's much easier for them to climb the hierarchy. But he asserts, and rightly so, that you have no idea what your true potential is and how quickly you can rise in the hierarchy unless you actually try to better yourself which all the perpetual 'victims' do not do.

You've completely misunderstood him. Actually, you likely haven't heard a single lecture by Peterson and instead your first introduction to his name was by the stupid videos on youtube who take his comments completely out of context, chop and change clips and try make him out to be a nazi.

It's the same reason so many people have this extreme physical reaction to the word TRUMP. Have they ever watched one his his rallies or heard him speak for an extended period of time? Nope. Have they watched late night comedians that they respect parade around calling him a nazi? Yep.

11-20-2018, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩

Cliffs: People like him are getting famous because millennials and gen z don't have strong father figures..

Didn't watch 1 second of those videos but my cliffs are better

They are his main audience. JP says common sense, anyone who grew up with a father around is already aware.

11-20-2018, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted By davik⏩

from what ive gathered from the videos ive watched critiquing him, peterson is basically a plant to suck in all the young guys who are looking to fill the void. he stops them from coming to God essentially. and if you knee jerk react to God, thats the point. Everything else is spinning your wheels.

hes a good start versus rotting into nothing, but he takes you down a path of weakness where you cant be proud of your heritage. hes a psuedo conservative but conservatives mistakingly love and support him. this is opposed to the new atheists who ripped the veil off and essentially fizzled out as a result in 2012. everything changed in 2012. harris even reinvented himself to stay relevant and its spirituality without god lol, k.

This is a very wild and outlandish accusation/representation.

You take away what you need from him, not become a mindless drone-bot by listening to him.

11-20-2018, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted By ChicksMan⏩

I'm really trying to work with you here dude but wtf kind of logic is that? Anbessa didn't admit chit.

Saying hierarchies are inevitable and more useful than striving for equity across all demographics, while simultaneously acknowledging the downsides of hierarchies does NOT EQUAL BEING A PLANT TO STOP BEING GOING FAR RIGHT.

Like how the heck do you make that leap? wtf am I reading.

Also, democracy is not merit based nowadays because of the socialist equity based affirmative action that's happening more and more. He acknowledges also that some people are born into money, some people are born healthier, and some people overall are born with a higher IQ than others so it's much easier for them to climb the hierarchy. But he asserts, and rightly so, that you have no idea what your true potential is unless you actually try to better yourself which all the perpetual 'victims' do not do.

he did admit it he said he believes it and peterson told him. thats admitting it.

Saying hierarchies are inevitable and more useful than striving for equity across all demographics, while simultaneously acknowledging the downsides of hierarchies does NOT EQUAL BEING A PLANT TO STOP BEING GOING FAR RIGHT.

this is a leap, im referring to how he said petersons against it thats it. i didnt connect anything. so no.

on this, thats the problem i think he creates youre not seeing it yet. thats all good to say, and it may be true but so what? how does it affect you personally? one way is it makes you more of a materialist. it makes you naive and bang your head against the wall since its not just competence in the real world in the slightest. he says a whole lot of nothing or leads people to believe things with no use in them. democracy arguably has never been merit based, which is an ultimate point i guess but he wants you to think it is. same goes for any hierarchy. hope i made the point clear here

11-20-2018, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted By davik⏩

hope i made the point clear here

You did not. I'm sorry man but I have no idea what your point is.

Ah well no matter. Next time just post pics of Peterson's daughter's teds and we will all rep you.

11-20-2018, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted By ChicksMan⏩

You did not. I'm sorry man but I have no idea what your point is.

Ah well no matter. Next time just post pics of Peterson's daughter's teds and we will all rep you.

he makes you larp about competence, but the real world is not competence. therefore, you end up spinning your wheels or running back to the same problem of meaninglessness. god, king and country and family ARE NOT competence based but are the best hierarchies in existence.

11-20-2018, 04:50 AM

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Peterson is a cuck. He backed the Democrats telling Kavanaugh to step down. That's all you need to know about Peterson.

11-20-2018, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩

i'm not really into watching vids where people are shouting at each other unless it's an integral part of a porn plot, but i did see one where this feminist kunt is protesting his free speech because he's talking at her university or some chit and she's making all kinds of baseless claims and he asks her if she has actually listened to the stuff he said and she basically said "ain't nobody got time for that"

all it takes is for some people to call someone a nazi and the protests will occur without anyone doing any actual research. it's like if neo-nazis like the Dallas Cowboys (doubtful that even they would) and therefore you call the Cowboys a nazi team by extension. chit is crazy.

if not for the hair transplant, i would support him purely out of spite for liberals

if you like watching Feminists get destroyed... you gotta watch this. it's amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYeLUwxW9sI

11-20-2018, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted By SikhAndDestroy⏩

Yea this is pretty much it. I also feel like hes controlled opposition. Someone that toes the line but just enough to make it seem like the conservatives have a voice, however he hasn't really accomplished anything.

Dude wrote multiple books, has helped uncounted people better themselves and is starting an online university. That’s more than I’ve accomplished. What about you?

Originally Posted By tvr123⏩

You are absolved of your sins, I will stop now. I feel like enough people have been awared.

Nah fukk him. Once a fraud always a fraud. It speaks to his character. Negged op.

11-20-2018, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted By Fatkidwholifts⏩

Dude wrote multiple books, has helped uncounted people better themselves and is starting an online university. That’s more than I’ve accomplished. What about you?

Nah fukk him. Once a fraud always a fraud. It speaks to his character. Negged op.

haha i got repped in this 666 thread and now im back. nice. dont resist, or try not to. i hoped for peterson, but i was wrong in the end. theres too many dots. no employer is going to take peterson university seriously either lol

11-20-2018, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted By davik⏩

he did admit it he said he believes it and peterson told him. thats admitting it.

What the f*ck are you even talking about? Are you retarded?

Originally Posted By Anbessa⏩

Monarchy's aren't competence/merit based and therefore don't necessarily benefit the common person by "exploiting" the labor of the most talented and capable
Enforced hierarchies vs natural hierarchies

I'm neutral on Petersonpersonally, buthe does make that pointin his talks when discussing the dangers of the far right and actual tyranny vs lefties crying about inequity.
And as far as I know,he specifies thathierarchies aren't necessarily "good" but are inevitable and in certain aspects preferable to the contrary propositions within Marxist ideologies.

Read the bolded text. I never ONCE stated whether I agreed or disagreed with anything he said, all I did was paraphrase what he claims in response to your characterization of him. What kind of f*cking illiterate moron are you? How did you get from "hey I'm neutral on this topic but this is what Jordan Peterson's stated beliefs are" to "I believe what Jordan Peterson says and he's the reason I'm not far right."

I never said if I was left, center, or right, let alone anything you claim to have garnered from my reply. The only thing you could take from what I said to be my belief was my definition of Monarchy not being a competence/merit based system, which isn't even a belief, it's just an extrapolation of the definition (which you agreed with in a later post).

Don't f*cking drag me into your Jordan Peterson conspiracy theory because I called you out on misrepresenting a man's argument who I don't even necessarily agree with. Tf is wrong with you?

11-20-2018, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted By Anbessa⏩

What the f*ck are you even talking about? Are you retarded?

Read the bolded text. I never ONCE stated whether I agreed or disagreed with anything he said, all I did was paraphrase what he claims in response to your characterization of him. What kind of f*cking illiterate moron are you? How did you get from "hey I'm neutral on this topic but this is what Jordan Peterson's stated beliefs are" to "I believe what Jordan Peterson says and he's the reason I'm not far right."

I never said if I was left, center, or right, let alone anything you claim to have garnered from my reply. The only thing you could take from what I said to my belief was my definition of Monarchy not being a competence/merit based system, which isn't even a belief, it's just an extrapolation of the definition (which you agreed with in a later post).

Don't f*cking drag me into your Jordan Peterson conspiracy theory because I called you out on misrepresenting a man's argument who I don't even necessarily agree with. Tf is wrong with you?

wow calm down dude im sorry. im pointing out that hes convinced you of it and you said it yourself, meaning you admitted it yes? thats not political, its just a concept/belief that peterson convinced you of

11-20-2018, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted By CalmWind⏩

if you like watching Feminists get destroyed... you gotta watch this.

This sounds like the beginning of a porno ad

11-20-2018, 05:06 AM

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Listening, about 12 minutes in.
Great so far.
I remember this guy had an appearance on the Stefan Molyneux show once or twice.
Been meaning to look him up.

11-20-2018, 05:11 AM

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11-20-2018, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted By davik⏩

im pointing out that hes convinced you of it and you said it yourself, meaning you admitted it yes?

Point to where I said Peterson convinced me of anything. I'll wait.

Originally Posted By davik⏩

thats not political, its just a concept/belief that peterson convinced you of

If you're referring to my statement that monarchy isn't a competency/merit based system:
1. It's not a belief, it's a basic definition that a 5 year old could have told you.
2. No where did I imply that Peterson convinced me of it.
3. No where did I say whether I'm pro or anti merit/competency based systems.
4. You agreed with it yourself:

Originally Posted By davik⏩

god, king and country and family ARE NOT competence based but are the best hierarchies in existence.

so I have no idea why you'd contend that Peterson must have swayed me to belief it.

11-20-2018, 05:16 AM

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Dudes a fukin snake.

11-20-2018, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted By Anbessa⏩

Point to where I said Peterson convinced me of anything. I'll wait.

If you're referring to my statement that monarchy isn't a competency/merit based system:
1. It's not a belief, it's a basic definition that a 5 year old could have told you.
2. No where did I imply that Peterson convinced me of it.
3. No where did I say whether I'm pro or anti merit/competency based systems.
4. You agreed with it yourself:

so I have no idea why you'd contend that Peterson must have swayed me to belief it.

no lol here:
discussing the dangers of the far right and actual tyranny vs lefties crying about inequity.

you framed it this way, which leads me to believe you actually believe dangers of the far right. i explicitly said i didnt want to get into it and started talking about monarchy separately. they are not connected

11-20-2018, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted By Dominatorbrah⏩

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You look like Ben Shapiro with slightly more masculine jawline.

This isn't a compliment or an insult. That's just what you look like to me with that ridiculous lighting.

11-20-2018, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted By davik⏩

no lol here:
discussing the dangers of the far right and actual tyranny vs lefties crying about inequity.

you framed it this way, which leads me to believe you actually believe dangers of the far right. i explicitly said i didnt want to get into it and started talking about monarchy separately. they are not connected

Again, you are completely ignoring the first half of the sentence, so let me make it painfully clear:

Originally Posted By Anbessa⏩

neutral on Peterson personally, but does make that point in talkswhen discussing the dangers of the far right and actual tyranny vs lefties crying about inequity

I'm not going to go over this again: I meant exactly what I said, exactly in the manner in which I said it.
Stop trying to look for hidden meanings and assume my beliefs. You sound absolutely ridiculous.

11-20-2018, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted By Anbessa⏩

Again, you are completely ignoring the first half of the sentence:

I'm not going to go over this again: I meant exactly what I said, exactly in the manner in which I said it.
Stop trying to look for hidden meanings and assume my beliefs. You sound absolutely ridiculous.

na. heres why: you made the distinction with lefties. i dont think peterson views it that way. so the dialectic of far right and lefties is one clue, second is the 'dangers'. as if im meant to a priori agree with that. yes it is his talks i know.

11-20-2018, 05:30 AM

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It's best explained through an analogy. You, western man, are a frog. The left has been boiling you alive for 70 years, but they've been turning the heat up slowly so you barely noticed the rising temperature. In recent years the left went crazy and turned the temperature all the way up in their attempt to boil you. Now you've noticed what they're trying to do.

Peterson is of the left, he was a socialist. He's also a total globalist and member of the 'establishment', having been part of a UN panel for sustainable development and contributing to a High Level Report.

He is here to turn the temperature back down, persuade you that you're not being boiled alive tell you that everything is ok and that the only problem lies with the 'SJWs' not the 'sane left'.