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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
the "war on terror", the one that was a direct result of 9/11. the one which gave Bush free reign to change dozens of policies immediately, and up military funding by the billions. the one where Dick Cheneys Haliburton profited in the billions.
So, rather than this being a real effort to stop terrorism, you think this whole thing, for the last 20 years, was impeccably orchestrated to line Dick Cheney's pockets?

It's inconceivable to you that Cheney and his ilk might just be capitalizing on an existing situation?
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
So, rather than this being a real effort to stop terrorism, you think this whole thing, for the last 20 years, was impeccably orchestrated to line Dick Cheney's pockets?

It's inconceivable to you that Cheney and his ilk might just be capitalizing on an existing situation?
nah, he was just one of many who profited greatly. it was a team effort, all the neo-con PNAC bros played their part aswell.
the issue with it is, it didnt just benefit one person or group, it benefited all those in positions of power capable of pulling it off. even prime minister netanyahu said it was beneficial for the entire nation of israel:
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."
so to say "what would it even achieve?" or to imply it only benefited one person financially is kind of ignorant.

i'll assume youve looked into every aspect of it and reached the conclusion that it was still solely the muslim extremists, and that's fine. but there's nothing really gullible about coming to a different conclusion like i and many others have, when there are literally dozens of "coincidences" and conflicts of interest at play. i would suggest it's more gullible to flat out believe a governments official story, who have been proven to lie numerous times in the past about other similar serious matters.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
People who think 911 was an inside job are either mentally ill or gullible.

A couple of reasons:

It was a false flag to justify invading Afghanistan and/or Iraq

Can someone explain this one to me? Why the fuk would anyone want to invade those countries? Just LOL @ anyone claiming 'oil' like some sheep. If those countries were so oil rich then why were/are they complete chitholes? If the west wanted a monopoly on oil, wouldn't it be better to create a false flag to invade Saudi Arabia instead? Also - people forget the first gulf war, the West had already legitimately invaded Iraq, so why leave and then decide to go back a decade later?
To finish Daddy's war.
Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
And now the west has largely left those countries, what exactly have they achieved at the end of all this? The Americans failed to setup an Iraqi army capable of fighting off insurgents, and instead it turned out to be a huge waste of time, lives and assets.

I'm sure if justification was to be garnered from the public to invade a chithole, 'they' could come up with a far less destructive way to do it.

It was orchestrated by the CIA or some sinister cabal

Again - what's the point? What has been achieved after all these years?

And just LMFAO if you think a country that struggles to defeat a bunch of insurgents in the middle east or farmers in vietnam could orchestrate such a flawless terrorists attack and for it all to work so perfectly. Couple that with the notion of hundreds of thousands of insiders never blowing the whistle on the whole charade?
LOL at farmers in Vietnam. There may not have been hundreds of insiders.

So many have made money off the Middle Eastern wars.
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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
nah, he was just one of many who profited greatly. it was a team effort, all the neo-con PNAC bros played their part aswell.
the issue with it is, it didnt just benefit one person or group, it benefited all those in positions of power capable of pulling it off. even prime minister netanyahu said it was beneficial for the entire nation of israel:

so to say "what would it even achieve?" or to imply it only benefited one person financially is kind of ignorant.

i'll assume youve looked into every aspect of it and reached the conclusion that it was still solely the muslim extremists, and that's fine. but there's nothing really gullible about coming to a different conclusion like i and many others have, when there are literally dozens of "coincidences" and conflicts of interest at play. i would suggest it's more gullible to flat out believe a governments official story, who have been proven to lie numerous times in the past about other similar serious matters.
I'm not saying nobody has benefited off the war, or any wars come to that.

Quite the opposite.

What I'm saying is i don't believe for one second that 911 was designed and implemented by the west as a means to generate wealth for the elites.

That to me is on the same level of flat earth belief.
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So many have made money off the Middle Eastern wars.
That's capitalism. Doesn't mean they started the wars.
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US starts wars to keep the petrodollar alive. From Wikipedia: "Almost all oil sales throughout the world are denominated in United States dollars.Because most countries rely on oil imports, they are forced to maintain large stockpiles of dollars in order to continue imports. This creates a consistent demand for USDs and ostensibly supports the USD's value, regardless of economic conditions in the United States."

Just to name a few, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, and Iran were/are all against the $ being the petrocurrency. Also if you wondered why Saudi Arabia gets a pass despite being a mass exporter of terrorism and a backwards society in general, if you read the first paragraph you will know.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
I'm not saying nobody has benefited off the war, or any wars come to that.

Quite the opposite.

What I'm saying is i don't believe for one second that 911 was designed and implemented by the west as a means to generate wealth for the elites.

That to me is on the same level of flat earth belief.
not just the wealth it has generated for the elites, but also a substantial increase in global dominance.

i think it's safe to say the earth is round, as there is solid proof. the official 9/11 narrative however was never proven with concrete evidence in a court of law. ground zero was never treated as a crime scene and a proper investigation was never done. hundreds of victims families protested for their day in court but over the years each one was paid off one by one, and due process was never carried out.

because there is evidence that goes against the official narrative, it's not crazy to at the very least, question and acknowledge some shady chit has gone down before and after the fact. even the israeli pm admits it benefited israel, but for some reason you and others fight tooth and nail to argue that it didn't.

if you can compare this to something like flat earth theory then i dunno what more to say. i just urge people to look at the finer details because some things are undeniably suspicious and cause for questioning.
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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
not just the wealth it has generated for the elites, but also a substantial increase in global dominance.
Who exactly have they made global dominance gains over? Certainly isn't Russia, who came into Syria and embarrassed the US.
Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
because there is evidence that goes against the official narrative, it's not crazy to at the very least,question and acknowledge some shady chit has gone down before and after the fact.
Shady chit has always gone down though.

Doesn't mean to say a nation that's not even capable of defeating insurgents in Iraq can pull off a project as big as 911andkeep it secret.

I'd argue that it's popular belief to think 911 is an inside job, at least online anyway. Why not questionthatnarrative with some common sense?
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
Shady chit has always gone down though.

Doesn't mean to say a nation that's not even capable of defeating insurgents in Iraq can pull off a project as big as 911andkeep it secret.

I'd argue that it's popular belief to think 911 is an inside job, at least online anyway. Why not questionthatnarrative with some common sense?
it probably seems to be more believed online because people who spend more time online have access to and know how to use the massive amount of information at their disposal, rather than your common everyday tradie pleb in real life who doesn't know jack chit about anything.

there is no one specific 9/11 "conspiracy theory" narrative. there are different theories ranging from holographs to direct energy weapons. but just because someone might not believe the official government version, doesn't automatically mean they swallow every unsubstantiated theory that goes against it.
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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
there is no one specific 9/11 "conspiracy theory" narrative. there are different theories ranging from holographs to direct energy weapons. but just because someone might not believe the official government version, doesn't automatically mean they swallow every unsubstantiated theory that goes against it.
Yeah I'm aware of the various theories, including the hologram one lol.

I just have a gut feeling that they are all ridiculous and too far fetched.
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I’m going to also point out about 9/11 without quoting anyone that it lead to so much more than any of the potential benefits being talked about here. It allowed the US to further slip into a police state and sign all the bills that came post 9/11. Immediately bringing in all sorts of new spy programs instituted both domestically and world wide. Think about the impact that these events had on the public impression and basically caused no resistance to the new surveillance state we’d become because it would keep them safe from another unspeakable tragedy that was 9/11.

In addition to things I’ve seen mentioned and maybe I missed some:
1) there was a reporter on scene outside the pentagon who’d reported on the crash before anything that there were zero plane parts found scattered about outside the building and that it was a pretty clean scene given the circumstances. This video was scrubbed from the mainstream news media.
2) the amount of time between hits given all the different attack points would of given the air force and national defense ample time to shoot down planes they KNEW had been hijacked and intended to be used to carry out further attacks... they’d done nothing of the sort. Check the times in between, shady as fuk.


I could go on but there has already been so much mentioned that is prime in this thread.
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Originally Posted By pantiespending⏩
I’m going to also point out about 9/11 without quoting anyone that it lead to so much more than any of the potential benefits being talked about here. It allowed the US to further slip into a police state and sign all the bills that came post 9/11. Immediately bringing in all sorts of new spy programs instituted both domestically and world wide. Think about the impact that these events had on the public impression and basically caused no resistance to the new surveillance state we’d become because it would keep them safe from another unspeakable tragedy that was 9/11.
this is what i was sort of alluding to when i mentioned Bush and his ability to implement dozens of new policies immediately. keep in mind he only entered office in Jan 2001 so it was joocy as fuk for him to be given free reign to do whatever the hell he wanted in regards to foreign policy and military spending.
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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
this is what i was sort of alluding to when i mentioned Bush and his ability to implement dozens of new policies immediately. keep in mind he only entered office in Jan 2001 so it was joocy as fuk for him to be given free reign to do whatever the hell he wanted in regards to foreign policy and military spending.
Yeah it literally was the primer for what is now referenced as the deep state and it’s only getting worse. Where the United States government dumps 100’s of billions of dollars into tapping into every form of communication including private companies with their vast reach... essentially building profiles on every human being in the world...

If you can’t see the benefits to something like this that NOTHING else would provide you may as well compare this to flat earth. When in reality the US owns every form of communication globally and this effects every citizen on the planet.
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Fuggin year of our lord 2018 and we still on about this.

If I thought our government actually performed such an atrocity, I would do something about it. What are you doing?
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Governments killing it's citizens. On other news man lands on sun
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Fuggin year of our lord 2018 and we still on about this.

Hey pussies, if I thought our government actually performed such an atrocity, I would do something about it. What are you doing?
i know it's inconceivable that your government could "actually perform such an atrocity", but then again it's inconceivable to me that someone could murder a child. people are capable of some pretty fking horrible feats, and just because you know YOU are incapable of something, doesn't mean someone else isnt. especially when global dominance and trillions of dollars are at stake.

anyway, what exactly do you suggest us individual pussies do? the best i can think of is attempting to enlighten others, but that proves difficult when guys like you have bought into the lie and based their lives around fighting the boogieman constructed by the same group of people who sent you to kill him.
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Originally Posted By gwg77⏩
Don't forget:

1) On 9/10/2001 Rumsfeld mentions $2.3Trillion missing from pentagon

2) Project for New American Century drafted by Neocons in 1997-98
1) 125 people died at the pentagon, majority of who were in the accounting department investigating the missing 2.3 trillion. flight 77 had to perform a corkscrew flightpath to hit this side of the pentagon where it would have been a lot easier just to fly straight into it from the direction it was coming. 2.3 trillion never mentioned again

2) PNAC members include; cheney, bush, rumsfeld, wolfowitz... all of who went onto enter office in Jan of 2001 and see their plans come to fruition.
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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
i know it's inconceivable that your government could "actually perform such an atrocity", but then again it's inconceivable to me that someone could murder a child. people are capable of some pretty fking horrible feats, and just because you know YOU are incapable of something, doesn't mean someone else isnt. especially when global dominance and trillions of dollars are at stake.

anyway, what exactly do you suggest us individual pussies do? the best i can think of is attempting to enlighten others, but that proves difficult when guys like you have bought into the lie and based their lives around fighting the boogieman constructed by the same group of people who sent you to kill him.
It is not hard for me to conceive governments could perform such an act. I acknowledge they have that capacity. Denying that the U.S. government did 9/11 is not the same as denying that governments are capable of such an act.

Have you read the 9/11 commission report or conducted any research into it other than forums and youtube videos that confirm the perspective you already have?

X: Doubt.


If you can't "enlighten" others because of people who don't buy into your perspective, your perspective is pretty weak. Just saying.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
It is not hard for me to conceive governments could perform such an act. I acknowledge they have that capacity. Denying that the U.S. government did 9/11 is not the same as denying that governments are capable of such an act.

Have you read the 9/11 commission report or conducted any research into it other than forums and youtube videos that confirm the perspective you already have?

X: Doubt.


If you can't "enlighten" others because of people who don't buy into your perspective, your perspective is pretty weak. Just saying.
9/11 commission report... dont make me lol.
Tom Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book "Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission" that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
2003, March 31 – The 9/11 Commission headed by Executive Director Philip Zelikow holds its first hearing in New York City. Zelikow has a complete outline of the commission’s final report before the commission even begins its work. His outline is detailed with chapter headings, subheadings, and sub-subheadings. Zelikow shows his report to Commission Chairman Tom Kean and Vice-chairman Lee Hamilton and they like it, but think it could be seen as evidence of having apre-determined outcome.
a bit about your main man Zelikow
Zelikow penned an article for foreign affairs in 1998, “Catastrophic Terrorism: Imagining the Transformative Event” which envisioned an act of terrorism which

“could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America’s fundamental sense of security as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. The United States might respond with draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either further terrorist attacks or US counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently”
but you will read all this, and still hold firm to your core beliefs. that doesn't mean my position is weak, it just means your position is solid and unwavering even when faced with questionable information.
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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
9/11 commission report... dont make me lol.



members of the commission report literally wrote a book about how corrupt and what a joke it was.



a bit about your main man Zelikow



but you will read all this, and still hold firm to your core beliefs. that doesn't mean my position is weak, it just means your position is solid and unwavering even when faced with questionable information.
What is the name of the book?
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Coordinating an event like 911 would require hundreds of people to pull off. There would be documents, memos, plans, meetings. The amount of people in on it would be impossible to keep quiet for this long. It's always people who have never worked a day in military/intelligence community who believe this wacky nonsense.

People have blown the whistle on MUCH smaller events than this. You really think everyone involved is still keeping quiet, it's been 17 ****ing years.
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Originally Posted By cjr169⏩
Coordinating an event like 911 would require hundreds of people to pull off. There would be documents, memos, plans, meetings. The amount of people in on it would be impossible to keep quiet for this long. It's always people who have never worked a day in military/intelligence community who believe this wacky nonsense.

People have blown the whistle on MUCH smaller events than this. You really think everyone involved is still keeping quiet, it's been 17 ****ing years.
Have you heard of Similar type atrocities that have involved even more people in combat missions that were covered up, people found out about it, people came out, they were silenced. In the end it reached the light, nothing was done...

Not sure why this would be any different
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
People who think 911 was an inside job are either mentally ill or gullible.

A couple of reasons:

It was a false flag to justify invading Afghanistan and/or Iraq

Can someone explain this one to me? Why the fuk would anyone want to invade those countries? Just LOL @ anyone claiming 'oil' like some sheep. If those countries were so oil rich then why were/are they complete chitholes? If the west wanted a monopoly on oil, wouldn't it be better to create a false flag to invade Saudi Arabia instead? Also - people forget the first gulf war, the West had already legitimately invaded Iraq, so why leave and then decide to go back a decade later?

And now the west has largely left those countries, what exactly have they achieved at the end of all this? The Americans failed to setup an Iraqi army capable of fighting off insurgents, and instead it turned out to be a huge waste of time, lives and assets.

I'm sure if justification was to be garnered from the public to invade a chithole, 'they' could come up with a far less destructive way to do it.

It was orchestrated by the CIA or some sinister cabal

Again - what's the point? What has been achieved after all these years?

And just LMFAO if you think a country that struggles to defeat a bunch of insurgents in the middle east or farmers in vietnam could orchestrate such a flawless terrorists attack and for it all to work so perfectly. Couple that with the notion of hundreds of thousands of insiders never blowing the whistle on the whole charade?
It was a false flag to justify invading Afghanistan and/or Iraq

Can someone explain this one to me? Why the fuk would anyone want to invade those countries? - Those are proxy wars with Israel/Saudi Arabia on one side and Iran/Russia on the other.
If you are Israel and surrounded by a ton of muslim countries that want your ass dead, what is safest for you? You want those countries destabilized. Israel isnt worried about terrorist groups, they cant take down Israel. Israel is worried about stable enemy countries that present a legitimate threat. Who would Israel and Saudi Arabia rather have control Iraq, Saddam or a split country fighting a civil war against itself? - Theres your answer.

Afghanistan? We've been in proxy wars in Afghanistan for decades. Who benefits from that? If you were Pakistan would you rather they be a stable threat or at civil war?



It was orchestrated by the CIA or some sinister cabal

Again - what's the point? What has been achieved after all these years? - lmao, look at the laws and the budgets they have passed since 9/11. You think they could pass the patriot act without batting an eye before 9/11? Its had massive bipartisan support ever since. "They" now used it to spy on the democratically elected president before and after he made it to the white house. If that doesnt make your skin crawl then there is no reaching you. Then there is the budget and the OCO money. We put a freaking defense industry CEO in the white house as the vice president with a blind puppet with a brand name as president and it surprises you that we ended up in two wars costing trillions of dollars, benefiting the defense industry, under them?
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Originally Posted By pantiespending⏩
Have you heard of Similar type atrocities that have involved even more people in combat missions that were covered up, people found out about it, people came out, they were silenced. In the end it reached the light, nothing was done...

Not sure why this would be any different
show your work plox.
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Originally Posted By cjr169⏩
Coordinating an event like 911 would require hundreds of people to pull off. There would be documents, memos, plans, meetings. The amount of people in on it would be impossible to keep quiet for this long. It's always people who have never worked a day in military/intelligence community who believe this wacky nonsense.

People have blown the whistle on MUCH smaller events than this. You really think everyone involved is still keeping quiet, it's been 17 ****ing years.
there have been numerous eye witness, first responder, firefighter, ex military personnel, architect, engineer and scientist testimony that conflicts with the official government narrative. just because those involved havent decided to admit their guilt, it doesn't automatically mean they werent responsible, it just means the small faction who did it are good at keeping their secrets. if you are good to disregard every single coincidence, conflict of interest, cover up and outright lie because "no one has spoken up", then i dont know what else to tell you.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Fuggin year of our lord 2018 and we still on about this.

If I thought our government actually performed such an atrocity, I would do something about it.What are you doing?
I’d be interested in joining up and plan on trying

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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
there have been numerous eye witness, first responder, firefighter, ex military personnel, architect, engineer and scientist testimony that conflicts with the official government narrative. just because those involved havent decided to admit their guilt, it doesn't automatically mean they werent responsible, it just means the small faction who did it are good at keeping their secrets. if you are good to disregard every single coincidence, conflict of interest, cover up and outright lie because "no one has spoken up", then i dont know what else to tell you.
Show your work plox. Also, what is the name of the book?
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Originally Posted By pantiespending⏩
Have you heard of Similar type atrocities that have involved even more people in combat missions that were covered up, people found out about it, people came out, they were silenced. In the end it reached the light, nothing was done...

Not sure why this would be any different
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Originally Posted By HungLikeJesus⏩
there have been numerous eye witness, first responder, firefighter, ex military personnel, architect, engineer and scientist testimony that conflicts with the official government narrative. just because those involved havent decided to admit their guilt, it doesn't automatically mean they werent responsible, it just means the small faction who did it are good at keeping their secrets. if you are good to disregard every single coincidence, conflict of interest, cover up and outright lie because "no one has spoken up", then i dont know what else to tell you.
lmao people say there is no proof, but lets be real T, lets say, hypothetically it was all a planned false flag and there were authentic planning documents that were released. How exactly do you think the MSM will report that? it will get no attention and everyone will say they are fake and its a hoax. They've been studying how to mass influence the public since the inception of the 3 letter agencies. There are already all the people who say what they saw at ground zero doesnt match official reports, the public just says they are crazy, lying or confused. Hell, the MSM footage and reporting of the first few days doesnt match the official story and reporting of the last few days.
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