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post 1581427211 06-04-2019, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
honestly I'm alright with assisted suicide.

If after a proper vetting process, and therapy has been exhausted, I see no reason why we should be against someone eliminating themselves from the gene pool/population. I get it's a very selfish thing to do, but would it not be selfish to force someone to live with their unhappiness and/or trauma?
Same but I feel like 17 is too young to make that decision. I won't pretend to know what she went through or how she felt, but there's just so much going on with a person's mind and body at that age.
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Parents should be put to death for not protecting her. She was molested and raped TWO separate times.
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post 1581427271 06-04-2019, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Chezdon⏩
She probably had it every week for five years. Poor girl. Fuking idiot miscers as usual. Can't even begin to imagine the torment she felt. Letting her end it like that is a mercy. Better than jumping off a building and ruining the live's of whoever happens to be in that proximity.

Why are you all so keen for her to carry on living in hell or is it because you're all religious and you can't tamper with "God's plan"?
Leave it to the atheist to bring God into everything.
Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
This is a false equivalence.

You're an idiot for thinking that the desire to live does not transcend your living conditions.

She did not want to live. Being homeless and not wanting to live are not the same thing
She was also an underdeveloped mind with no perspective of life.

How about a proper equivalence, such as child predator victims who have lived successful and fulfilling lives? Hopefully they are really looking into effective methods of treating these victims. Netherlands human euthanasia law states that people as young as 12 may request this procedure (with consent of course).

And sure they probably euthanize people who would have performed a gruesome suicide anyways. I'm sure they euthanize others who could have persevered too.
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post 1581427341 06-04-2019, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted By ko300zx⏩
Same but I feel like 17 is too young to make that decision. I won't pretend to know what she went through or how she felt, but there's just so much going on with a person's mind and body at that age.
Yeah I was mostly speaking generally for adults. @ 17, that's too young to make that decision on your own.

But then, like someone mentioned before, who's to say she wouldn't have done it herself anyway, and in that scenario, I'd rather it be legally assisted than have the family come home and find her self-hung/wrists slit y'know?

In this situation it's hard to say one way or another. No clue personally, but I can't imagine being raped at such a young age so many times is easy to overcome, if even possible.
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post 1581427351 06-04-2019, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
She had already been hospitalized earlier when her PTSD-induced anorexia was causing her organs to fail. After that she was put into a medically-induced coma and fed intravenously
Organ failure and medically induced coma? Damn I hope the men who raped her and destroyed her life are rotting in jail.
post 1581427661 06-04-2019, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Just like suicide and abortion...
Strong this. I'm having one hell of a time trying to find a direct correlation between abortions and suicides.
post 1581427741 06-04-2019, 12:41 PM
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I dont really have a problem with assisted suicide but you should have to at least be a certain age to do it.
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post 1581427771 06-04-2019, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
Leave it to the atheist to bring God into everything.



She was also an underdeveloped mind with no perspective of life.

How about a proper equivalence, such as child predator victims who have lived successful and fulfilling lives? Hopefully they are really looking into effective methods of treating these victims. Netherlands human euthanasia law states that people as young as 12 may request this procedure (with consent of course).

And sure they probably euthanize people who would have performed a gruesome suicide anyways. I'm sure they euthanize others who could have persevered too.
See my previous post on page one for your counter argument
post 1581427791 06-04-2019, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
If you support the death penalty you shut up your face right now.
One kills heinous perps, the other kills victims. Not sure how the hell you think the two are related.
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post 1581427831 06-04-2019, 12:42 PM
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this should be a medical issue... everyone has some sorta problem... unless its truly not treatable like a rare illness with no cure... they shouldn't of let her go like that... she had a purpose man... i hope she finds some peace...r.i.p dear...
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post 1581427881 06-04-2019, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By CaliSuperSport⏩
One kills heinous perps, the other kills victims. Not sure how the hell you think the two are related.
I think the point he's getting at is rehabilitation

that being said, i don't necessarily agree there's a correlation between the two either
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post 1581427971 06-04-2019, 12:44 PM
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post 1581428061 06-04-2019, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted By Brandon556211⏩
yep these two things totally correlate
Well according to op legal assisted suicide of a 17yo and abortion are the same so?

Op you're a *******. Please read an article before posting bs.
She has had counseling since she was a little girl, after rape and abuse.
No one helped her killed herself, no one killed her. She stopped eating.

Please don't judge too lightly on extremely difficult cases like this one
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post 1581428071 06-04-2019, 12:46 PM
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The teen from Amhem suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, depression and anorexia after being molested when she was 11 and 12 and raped by two men when she was 14, The Sun reported.
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post 1581428081 06-04-2019, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
See my previous post on page one for your counter argument
Thing is, the govt really CAN'T tell you you cant die, people off themselves all the time and it's unenforceable both before and after.

My only issue with these types of laws is that they entertain human preference toward the extremes. We do it with everything from politics to dieting and health. My inclination is that people will fixate on suicide once the euthanasia option is provided. At that point it's absolutely vital that numerous barriers and alternative options are taken first.

They suggest that these exist, but 3-6 years for a pre-teen/teenager just doesn't seem sufficient to me... And then we allow this underage person to still kill themselves.
Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
I think the point he's getting at is rehabilitation

that being said, i don't necessarily agree there's a correlation between the two either
I see, still not even in the same discussion though. Criminal activity and victimhood are just on the opposite ends of the spectrum.
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post 1581428901 06-04-2019, 12:56 PM
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why do i feel like this is a slap in the face for those who are battling life threatening diseases, doing everything they can to survive?
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Would not surprise me if the men were family friends. I haven't seen any information on them, but judging that the parents would let their child kill themselves over something that could be cured with several hundred hours of counseling accompanied with prescriptions seems pretty irrational. Chitty situation but i'd never let my kid off themselves like that.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
If we're using mental illness as a justification for terminating life, then I guess we should just solve the homeless problem in most cities this same way? Come on.

There are lots of people who have experienced insanely difficult things early in life and had wildly successful, positive stories. If we're using PTSD as criteria for being incurable, then what, half the people who ever see live combat are just doomed too?

At 17 there's legitimately a high percentage of people who consider suicide after breakups with their boyfriend. Not minimizing her situation. I'm just saying nobody at that age can accurately analyze or control their emotions.
1. Strawman: nowhere did anyone say anything about using mental health as justification for terminating life. You made that up.

2. Show me one link that supports the idea mental health conditions are a significant contributing factor to homelessness. You made that up.

3. No one is suggesting PTSD is incurable or untreatable. You made that up.

4. 17 year olds are super edgy, so I’ll give you that.
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NeEdEd CoUnSeLlInG

LMAO. Fukcing normies want to believe that therapy and counselling can fix everything. I got news for you. It can't and in many cases is completely useless. I know that is tough to accept because we don't wanna admit that some people are just fukd. Counselling won't take a deranged person who was born to someone who was fukd up because he saw his parents shot to death when he was 7 become a normie because you talked to some liberal about it. Suicide should be a basic RIGHT. It is YOUR body. With that said, it is a little disheartening to read this, and I wish I could just give her a hug and tell her it's okay cause no one should die that young but I refuse to be a normie and just say Get Counselling! or therapy! which is becoming a meme and act like it can cure the shyttiest of problems. Fuk that idealistic delusion.
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Originally Posted By DassItMan⏩
NeEdEd CoUnSeLlInG

LMAO. Fukcing normies want to believe that therapy and counselling can fix everything. I got news for you. It can't and in many cases is completely useless. I know that is tough to accept because we don't wanna admit that some people are just fukd. Counselling won't take a deranged person who was born to someone who was fukd up because he saw his parents shot to death when he was 7 become a normie because you talked to some liberal about it. Suicide should be a basic RIGHT. It is YOUR body. With that said, it is a little disheartening to read this, and I wish I could just give her a hug and tell her it's okay cause no one should die that young but I refuse to be a normie and just use Counselling! or therapy! which is becoming a meme and act like it can cure the shyttiest of problems. Fuk that idealistic delusion.
Might as well die then bruh
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Originally Posted By IronBrahh⏩
what the ****
at the risk of sounding like a purple haired SJW

its more common than you think,more often than not the victims are too traumatized and ashamed to seek help so they end up as complete shut ins who don't talk to anyone and their rapist/paedo walks away scoff free
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
If you support the death penalty you shut up your face right now.
I don’t believe anyone except God should decide if someone lives or dies either by abortion or death penalty.

There are a few exceptions for both though.
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Originally Posted By whogotmuhbeers⏩
I don’t believe anyone except God should decide if someone lives or dies either by abortion or death penalty.

There are a few exceptions for both though.
If God allows humans to do it, isn’t that him making the decision?
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Originally Posted By DassItMan⏩
NeEdEd CoUnSeLlInG

LMAO. Fukcing normies want to believe that therapy and counselling can fix everything. I got news for you. It can't and in many cases is completely useless. I know that is tough to accept because we don't wanna admit that some people are just fukd. Counselling won't take a deranged person who was born to someone who was fukd up because he saw his parents shot to death when he was 7 become a normie because you talked to some liberal about it. Suicide should be a basic RIGHT. It is YOUR body. With that said, it is a little disheartening to read this, and I wish I could just give her a hug and tell her it's okay cause no one should die that young but I refuse to be a normie and just say Get Counselling! or therapy! which is becoming a meme and act like it can cure the shyttiest of problems. Fuk that idealistic delusion.
Well you say that "Suicide should be a basic RIGHT" and it is, there is no law against suicide (in many countries they were law against it and there have been case law agaisnt people who were dead or survived their attempts).

You are free to commit suicide but you have to do it yourself and doctors and the State have no obligation to provide you an assistance to do so.

If drugs that are used in assisted suicide were provided that could be very problematic as some people who have suicidal thoughts are reluctant to commit suicide for the fear of missing the attempt. If you fear it then maybe you are not ready to give up while if we provided a safe way, those people will take it.

So yeah, it is not a simple thing to consider to provided people with a "safe and easy way out" (I put it into coma cause ofc it is far from an easy way in any case).

Anyway, deeply sadden for this young girl, I do hope she will be granted the peace that she could not get in this world.
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
Might as well die then bruh
a religious restriction on it is the only thing holding me back at this point
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Suffered through crazy chit growing up and it took me around 15 years to fully come to terms with it. We all deal with chit differently but suicide is never the answer.

Counseling didn't fix chit for me and it probably doesn't for most. I spent years just wishing things would go back to how they were and nothing would change my mind. My life was empty and many times suicide seemed the better answer. When it all finally clicked it was like a massive weight had been lifted. The downside though is my past experiences pretty much rendered me incapable of empathy and gave me a massive hatred for people who use dumb chit for sympathy.
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