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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
it is (impossible to prove, arguably) more likely that a UFO is human misperception within a simulation created by a highly advanced alien, than a ship manned by a highly advanced alien.



bayesian inference says so. i believe that what they saw was another jet.

you have to understand a little bit about probability theory. its not based on feelings, and in fact often feels counter-intuitive.


edit- humans are by nature dogchit at probability, thats why theres so many cognitive biases
Jets dont move like that. It also had no wings and no heat signature.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Jets dont move like that
well if this satisfies your need for proof of aliens, i can't help you because you don't understand the timespace scale of the universe in conjunction with biogenesis.

read the paper i posted

it could be an alien spaceship but that would be more bizarre than this right here is a simulation within a computer in earth's future or on some distant planet in another reality
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Lol the skeptical position simply takes the stance: it doesn't make sense to accept extraordinary claims like supernatural hypotheses, ghosts, crystal healing, UFOs from distant stars/galaxies away roaming our skies......until, for example, extraordinary evidence is provided. Seems pretty rational to me. Am I a "sheep" for believing that crystals don't have magic healing powers, that the alignment of stars in the sky don't have influence in your daily life (astrology), or that gold cant be produced from base metals by alchemy? Er....ok, lol.

The "evidence" presented in this thread is not extraordinary evidence for alien life visiting earth, nuff said.
Nobody here was talking about alchemy or healing crystals or astrology. Stacking strawmen that high is a fire hazard so be careful.
Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Ranking doesn't mean much here lol, in fact as I already stated above, this fighter pilot dude seems to be well known in UFO circles, and this to me immediately suggests there is an agenda afoot. Regardless, the points made in that Wiki quote are definitely something to acknowledge.

I don't care what your rank is, your personal story of what you thought happened years ago- a story btw, which seems to differ in different accounts- is simply not an example of extraordinary evidence, sorry.
You are the picture of the InternetRationalSkepticTMI am talking about.

You are disregarding Cmdr. Farvor as a source because he 'runs in ufo circles' so shouldn't be acknowledged. Then when its quotes from a professional paranormal investigator that you agree with, you say regardless of source the points in the Wiki quote are something to acknowledge.

I'm not saying I believe alien life visited earth, remember UFO =/= little green men. There is video evidence recorded with the best technology available at the time, that the Navy has acknowledged as accurate footage, that looks like technology we cant explain. And 5 minutes in you're so sure that its fake/debunked/false that you can't leave even a little room to examine the other side of this.

I guess I don't get why you are in such a race to say 'I dont know how this could work and we don't have one in our hands so I don't believe in its existence, nuff said!'.
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
Nobody here was talking about alchemy or healing crystals or astrology. Stacking strawmen that high is a fire hazard so be careful.




You are the picture of the InternetRationalSkepticTMI am talking about.

You are disregarding Cmdr. Farvor as a source because he 'runs in ufo circles' so shouldn't be acknowledged. Then when its quotes from a professional paranormal investigator that you agree with, you say regardless of source the points in the Wiki quote are something to acknowledge.

I'm not saying I believe alien life visited earth, remember UFO =/= little green men. There is video evidence recorded with the best technology available at the time, that the Navy has acknowledged as accurate footage, that looks like technology we cant explain. And 5 minutes in you're so sure that its fake/debunked/false that you can't leave even a little room to examine the other side of this.

I guess I don't get why you are in such a race to say 'I dont know how this could work and we don't have one in our hands so I don't believe in its existence, nuff said!'.
It is like you are unable to even follow a conversation. If you notice,youare the one going on and on about skeptics in general, stereotyping them- using the example about washing away of spirits etc as a poor example- I am simply replying with what a rational skeptical mindset entails with my examples. I mean are you even able to understand basic things like this, lol?

And of course you are also putting words into my mouth. I simply said this is not example of extraordinary evidence, nuff said. I stand by that. It is simply an anecdotal story from a pilot (note: people seem to get confused- the pilot's story isnotthe same thing as what the video shows- these are different things).....and anecdotal stories from pilots of what they "thought" happened, are not to be entirely trusted, for various reasons. As for the video itself, it's amazing what even simple optical tricks such as zooming can do, and give appearances of rapid acceleration etc.

Look what you are saying: err there is so much unknown about this, so don't make conclusions yada yada.

If you notice what I'm even saying here, it's essentially not much different lol-there are so many questions about the story and video, that it certainly doesn't make sense to jump in and say "hey, aliens!!!", as it is surely not extraordinary evidence. At most you have an unidentified object, which could be anything lol.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Not really addressing the content of my post at all, so not worth a response.

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Again, ego of the human mind is fascinating. I didnt answer your post because it was full of chit.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Occam's razor these are Aliens.

Humans really only a few 100k old. Planet is 4 billion years old and universe is 15 billion, you telling me nobody out there way more advanced than us?

For those ships to be human made, they would have to be made in complete secrecy so far advanced from anything commercially available, it just is near impossible. It is more likely produced by Aliens.

lol at all the pathetic "solutions" that its not a space ship, oh its ball lighting, right like that gets radar hits.
Someone needs to research Occam's razor a little more. If you go back and read my post, it does indeed seem that a terrestrial explanation (and there are countless) would be a simpler hypothesis requiring less assumptions than say, an advanced alien race folding space-time to reach us to play games.

Did I ever say anything about there can be no other alien races out there more advanced than us?
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Originally Posted By EmmaW4tson⏩
Again, ego of the human mind is fascinating. I didnt answer your post because it was full of chit.
So no response, gotcha.
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Originally Posted By EmmaW4tson⏩
Always lol @ the "travel lights years to visit us" line. How do you know they dont fold space and time?

Go back 1000 years and show humans what we got now and see the reactions. Now imagine a race several thousands years ahead of us at this point. The universe is too big, even bigger than human ego for it to be empty.
if aliens could fold space then why in the fuark would they ride around in 40' cigars in the earths atmosphere in 2019? they could observe us for millions of years with nothing detectable at all.

they could run a million billion simulations of earth on their home planet, and not only know everything about earths past and future, but every past and future that could have existed but never did. visiting here would be moot. so then why would they do it in the most retarded fashion imaginable?

ironically, it's your ego that clouds how you consider these implications.
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Did not watch but aware of recent confirmed UFO videos.

1. Just lol if you aren't aware it's a distraction. "Hurr oops we accidentally let these videos out but also we can confirm they're legitimate". "Durr these videos should not have been leaked but if everyone wants to run around doing shows n interviews about it that's just fine with us".

2. UFO =/= extraterrestrials. "We can confirm that these are UFOs" means "we don't know what they are", not "they're definitely aliens".
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Sure an interest such as UFOs attracts, uh, interesting people, but are you aware of the US government's programs aimed at de-legitimising the 'field' of UFO research?
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Everyone non military always thinks because someone is a commander that he is someone legit and to be believed.

I have a navy commander who lives across from me and he is a complete dumb fuc when it comes to common sense.

I watched him try to cut down a bush with a hacksaw and then an axe and a hedge trimmer. 5 hours later after watching him struggling I told him it would take 5 mins with a fucin spade and he looked at me like I was Jesus when it clicked. That was only a couple of weeks ago and I’ve also heard him say and believe some crazy chit.

Take any chit you hear from these military officers with a pinch of salt, especially navy.
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
well if this satisfies your need for proof of aliens, i can't help you because you don't understand the timespace scale of the universe in conjunction with biogenesis.

read the paper i posted

it could be an alien spaceship but that would be more bizarre than this right here is a simulation within a computer in earth's future or on some distant planet in another reality
That is silly.

They would just be aliens within the simulation.

You cant prove we arent in a simulation, so that is pointless.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Someone needs to research Occam's razor a little more. If you go back and read my post, it does indeed seem that a terrestrial explanation (and there are countless) would be a simpler hypothesis requiring less assumptions than say, an advanced alien race folding space-time to reach us to play games.

Did I ever say anything about there can be no other alien races out there more advanced than us?
There arent any. The simplest solution is Aliens. I already explained.
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We have to stop thinking that distance is a factor in travel. It is well speculated through many sources that "they" utilize gravity. Gravity theoretically bends space and time. You could travel from here to Andromeda just as fast as us driving to the corner store if that technology were possible.

According to Lazar, he and many others have been trying to reverse engineer such technology. If we could harness that, as well as create AI, we essentially would take an astronomical leap in technology and capability. Probably propel us beyond a Kardashev Type 1 Civilization capable of colonizing anything we choose.
Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
if aliens could fold space then why in the fuark would they ride around in 40' cigars in the earths atmosphere in 2019? they could observe us for millions of years with nothing detectable at all.

they could run a million billion simulations of earth on their home planet, and not only know everything about earths past and future, but every past and future that could have existed but never did. visiting here would be moot. so then why would they do it in the most retarded fashion imaginable?

ironically, it's your ego that clouds how you consider these implications.
How do you know they haven't been detected up until now? There's plenty of conjecture to the contrary. Technology simply makes it easier.

As far as asking questions nobody can humanly answer, I don't see how that makes your case.
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I think lol for the first time in human history the government has admitted there's aliens and people care more about how many made up genders there are
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
if aliens could fold space then why in the fuark would they ride around in 40' cigars in the earths atmosphere in 2019? they could observe us for millions of years with nothing detectable at all.

they could run a million billion simulations of earth on their home planet, and not only know everything about earths past and future, but every past and future that could have existed but never did. visiting here would be moot. so then why would they do it in the most retarded fashion imaginable?

ironically, it's your ego that clouds how you consider these implications.
We study animals all the time, why wouldnt aliens study us. There are an infinite possibilities of simulations, so why not watch the real thing? What is wrong with a pill space ship? Its obviously what the aliens chosen. The anti gravity propulsion system still takes up some space.
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Quite sad to see how quickly people disregard these sort of stories and the folk who tell them.

Fravor is a sane man with no reason to lie. Why would he?
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Originally Posted By bramboy⏩
Quite sad to see how quickly people disregard these sort of stories and the folk who tell them.

Fravor is a sane man with no reason to lie. Why would he?
Nobody said he’s lying, he’s just a product of the navy and is a muppet. They’re all smart academically, but lack common sense and the ability to think outside the box.

He saw chit so obviously it was aliens.

I haven’t watched it as I’m tired of joe rogan, but yeah.. show me a bunch of commanders, doctors, surgeons... etc and I’ll show you a bunch of liars, murderers and dumb fucs.

“He’s a commander, it must be the truth”

“He’s a doctor the prognosis’s must be right”

“He’s a surgeon and the guy died on the operating table because he was fat fuc and not through negligence of the surgeon”

Just because he was a commander in the navy doesn’t mean chit, he’s a charlatan one way or another.


Fucin aliens...

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The guy referenced just about all these talking points.

Another jet: no flame signature, moved way too fast (like 100 times faster than the fastest jet)
Glitch: multiple radars and flir caught it.
Made it up: navy released the footage, not him.
Grainy video: when youre flying 250+ knots an hour, or at .7 mach, and youre supposed to shoot down an enemy, do you need a heat seeking, lock in camera, to shoot a target miles away, especially at night? Or a 4k photo camera?

If youre a recon satellite, fine. But fighter jets dont need high def cameras. What they need is heat seeking cameras and missiles. Hence, no clear photos.

I like the retards argument that his neighbor is dumb and in the navy, so this guys statement is false.

I think Lazar is full of shyt, but this guy is telling the truth, imo. For now at least.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
There arent any. The simplest solution is Aliens. I already explained.
Except no, lol. There are all kinds of bland explanations. Nothing in these videos depicts anything "physically impossible" or whatever. The rapid accelerations, as noted, can be artifacts of optical zooms etc. You simply have a case of an unknown object, whatever it is. It is telling that according to reports, when Fravor returned to the Nimitz, the people were teasing him and making light of the situation, not taking it seriously- so perhaps it could have even been a military training test for Fravor's first assignment on the F-18 Super Hornet. Unlikely? Who knows.But a military training test is still a simpler explanation than an advanced alien race bending spacetime to reach earth and play games in the sky. Hence, Occam's Razor.

Might want to relearn Occam's Razor, you clearly don't understand it that well.

Also, it seems Joe Rogan's podcast is turning more and more into George Noory Coast to Coast AM. I mean this stuff is fun and all.....but it's not to be taken seriously lol. We simply don't have good evidence for UFO visitation or paranormal bs.
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
Just because he was a commander in the navy doesn’t mean chit, he’s a charlatan one way or another.
Having credible sources definitely helps the case, but it's true; using an appeal to authority fallacy is also never any way to convince anyone. However, calling the guy a charlatan is a bit of a stretch. Hedoeshave special knowledge and skills of flight and technology/capabilities, so it at least makes him more convincing than "Bob and Mandy being diddled by the Greys coming back from Walmart".
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
So no response, gotcha.
Keep on reaching boyo. Human ego is a precious thing.
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Originally Posted By EmmaW4tson⏩
Keep on reaching boyo. Human ego is a precious thing.
Literally have no idea what you are talking about lol. It's almost like I'm talking to someone who is randomly placing words together to form a post.

I guess when you have no response to anything...just post what this dude is posting.
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Originally Posted By EmmaW4tson⏩
Always lol @ the "travel lights years to visit us" line. How do you know they dont fold space and time?

Go back 1000 years and show humans what we got now and see the reactions. Now imagine a race several thousands years ahead of us at this point. The universe is too big, even bigger than human ego for it to be empty.
Light years are a measure of distance. So even if you did travel instantaneously through a wormhole from one end of the galaxy to the other, you're still travelling in light years.
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Originally Posted By doughnutking⏩
“He’s a commander, it must be the truth".
This. The mindset of lots of people ITT is strange.

Also, as you say, this doesn't have to be a case of someone intentionally lying either. It's just that people areby no meansperfect observers (or rememberers).
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It is the height of human arrogance to believe that we alone in a universe this vast, and also that we are smarter than other lifeforms that could potentially be billions of years old. You kunts are basically monkeys that learned to speak. STFU.
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I heard from that guy before Rogan interviewed him. IMO he is legit. I think it is very probable that there are UFO's and extra-terrestrials.
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Originally Posted By A-GAME⏩
It is the height of human arrogance to believe that we alone in a universe this vast, and also that we are smarter than other lifeforms that could potentially be billions of years old. You kunts are basically monkeys that learned to speak. STFU.
alien life exists elsewhere in the universe =/= we are being visited by aliens who play hide and seek games in our sky. More at 11:00.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
negative.

It is:
1 - on radar on multiple ships
2 - on sonar, on multiple ships
3 - on black and white video
4 - on infrared flir video
5 - visually spotted by naked eye by multiple pilots

you telling me that all these systems had a fault at the same time and all these pilots hallucinated at the same time?

hogwash
Bro, these are the same people that think Epstein suicided and every person/piece of equipment etc all went down at the same time. Don't waste your breathe LMAO.
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Originally Posted By arod204⏩
Bro, these are the same people that think Epstein suicided and every person/piece of equipment etc all went down at the same time. Don't waste your breathe LMAO.
I am playing doubles advocate, but believing in two conspiracies doesnt make one of them false. Come on, just do better. Belittling the person youre arguing against is no way to debate.
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