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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
Look at the China virus infection map . States is certainly going for chit.
I don’t think spring break and gay parades helped much though

nunavut looking safe as fuk.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1
Probably from the fact no one has any ****ing idea what they’re talking about.

These models change DAILY

If any of you actually think these experts aren’t just guessing out of their ass you’re naive as hell.

No one was trained for this. Sure they’re training but some of you act like there’s a manual and shutting down is for sure effective

No. It’s just shutting down is all you can think of doing that might possibly kind of work.

It doesn’t actually look like it’s working though. Every day the expected peak gets higher, we need to be quarantined longer, etc etc etc.

Clear sign they’re lost. If they really had a handle on this thing they’d be able to say with certainty we need to be quarantined X days to have Y effect and it will be over.

Some of you need to learn to read between the lines instead of just blindly assuming the experts got this all solved.

Sorry to burst you’re bubble, those experts are just people. And you can tell from their behavior they’re all treading water trying to force a solution.
We need to look backwards, not forwards. Donald Trump and his administration are to blame for this situation.
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Originally Posted By ltsOgre
We need to look backwards, not forwards. Donald Trump and his administration are to blame for this situation.
lol moron
post 1601410941 04-01-2020, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted By jmoneyjumpman
source?
Here is the study by the MIT researcher:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763852

Keep in mind, what she is saying is that sneezes create a sort of "gas cloud" that can travel from 23 to 27 feet, not that the virus travels 27 feet by itself from the person who has it. A sneeze just has a greater impact than previously thought.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
honestly, even full lockdown quarantine doesnt seem to be working in most places.. e.g. italy, spain, germany(i think)

by work i mean completely, or drastically, reduce the spread of the virus. obv you could say that without these measures it could have spread faster in those places, but i really question the efficacy of the measures in place when we are still seeing these rates of new cases.
It can take two weeks for symptoms to show up, yet someone will still be contagious. It also takes 1-2 weeks for symptoms to get bad enough to get hospitalized. So you gotta wait a month after lockdown starts to see if it works
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- What do you do when when we have 100k people who need hospital beds/vents and only 10k are available? Which 10% get the beds and which 90% probably die?
- Who is going to run the death panels?
- What do you do for all the non-corona patients who need hospitalization in the meantime?
- Are you willing to sacrifice your own parents if they get sick and watch them die at home without care? You're just going to quietly accept it and head off to wagecel for your master?

This is an easy problem to solve logically in a vacuum. Everyone hates the boomers so they can fukk off and die already.
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Unfortunately we are all going to be exposed to this eventually. Its an inevitability. Thats why our current quarantine measures are about as good as its gonna get and we all have to accept that reality.
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Originally Posted By mp83
It can take two weeks for symptoms to show up, yet someone will still be contagious. It also takes 1-2 weeks for symptoms to get bad enough to get hospitalized. So you gotta wait a month after lockdown starts to see if it works
italy has been on lockdown for longer than a month, not sure about spain but its been at least a few weeks for them as well.

whether the quarantines have failed because of people violating the rules or because it is a halfway measure or any other reason, idk.. but its obvious that in those places it has definitely failed.
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
lol moron
You are an idiot dude
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
Look at the China virus infection map . States is certainly going for chit.
I don’t think spring break and gay parades helped much though

This looks like a cell phone coverage map
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Originally Posted By SteadyFlexOnU
Unfortunately we are all going to be exposed to this eventually. Its an inevitability. Thats why our current quarantine measures are about as good as its gonna get and we all have to accept that reality.
We pretty much need a vaccine. To bad it takes so long from what I’m understanding , like 18 months .
Thanks China
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Literally the first post answers your question but of course nobody will address that. 'Infecting everyone'? "Experiment". LOL. Quarantine is meant to prevent huge numbers being infected at the same time so at least it can be handled at the hospitals. And it's doing exactly that.



Average IQ of miscers exposed after the conspiracy thread and threads like this. The equivalent of this group of Muslims in India who congregated in thousands at a mosque and believe the virus is a hoax spread by the right wing PM of India.

https://gulfnews.com/photos/news/pho...379740?slide=2

Hundreds infected, dozens dead from these, but not before spreading it all over their country.
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
Just watched a program and some scientists say this 6’ distancing is a joke . Virus can go as far as 27’ . So now their rethinking this and debating on everyone wearing masks period .
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/dr-fau...is-misleading/
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
We pretty much need a vaccine. To bad it takes so long from what I’m understanding , like 18 months .
Thanks China
This is Trump's fault, not China's
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
We pretty much need a vaccine. To bad it takes so long from what I’m understanding , like 18 months .
Thanks China
probably longer.. they need to develop a drug and then run like a **** ton of clinical trials before they can even think about starting production to get a new drug on the market.
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Pretty sure everyone knows it will eventually spread far and wide. The idea is to slow it down so medical facilities can manage the influx of patients, and perhaps, hopefully, a vaccine/better treatments can be studied and developed as new patients are coming in (improving their prognosis).
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Originally Posted By Adam16121
Pretty sure everyone knows it will eventually spread far and wide. The idea is to slow it down so medical facilities can manage the influx of patients, and perhaps, hopefully, a vaccine/better treatments can be studied and developed.
we know this bro.

the question remains: how long do we hold a shutdown?

it could be a while before this shows signs of slowing down and we have a promising drug deep in human trials (assume FDA stop being *******s through this ofc).
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Originally Posted By MajorTendonitis
We pretty much need a vaccine. To bad it takes so long from what I’m understanding , like 18 months .
Thanks China
A vaccine right now would do nothing because the virus is out there it’s prevalent and its mutating. Vaccine is only a preventative measure for a specific virus code and thats not a cure nor is it even effective in all people. Its a primer for your immune system in some cases.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1
Probably from the fact no one has any ****ing idea what they’re talking about.

These models change DAILY

If any of you actually think these experts aren’t just guessing out of their ass you’re naive as hell.

No one was trained for this. Sure they’re trying but some of you act like there’s a manual and shutting down is for sure effective

No. It’s just shutting down is all you can think of doing that might possibly kind of work.

It doesn’t actually look like it’s working though. Every day the expected peak gets higher, we need to be quarantined longer, etc etc etc.

Clear sign they’re lost. If they really had a handle on this thing they’d be able to say with certainty we need to be quarantined X days to have Y effect and it will be over.

Some of you need to learn to read between the lines instead of just blindly assuming the experts got this all solved.

Sorry to burst you’re bubble, those experts are just people. And you can tell from their behavior they’re all treading water trying to force a solution because they just don’t know what to do.


Imagine you’re an expert virologist. How likely are you to thrown in the towel and admit you don’t have a real answer? Probably not likely. You’re far more likely to watch a lot of other things burn in your wake of trying to solve it. Being able to solve these things is who you are as a person. It’s hard to walk away from. Like a captain who will go down with his ship.
So if it was up to you ,you wouldn't ask require people stay at home to slow down spread until you find vaccine?there is no other logical way to fight unknown enemy other than to back the **** up and learn ropes.
I hope you're trolling lol
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken
- What do you do when when we have 100k people who need hospital beds/vents and only 10k are available? Which 10% get the beds and which 90% probably die?
- Who is going to run the death panels?
- What do you do for all the non-corona patients who need hospitalization in the meantime?
- Are you willing to sacrifice your own parents if they get sick and watch them die at home without care? You're just going to quietly accept it and head off to wagecel for your master?

This is an easy problem to solve logically in a vacuum. Everyone hates the boomers so they can fukk off and die already.
Another retard post in here missing the point.

Let’s spell this out for you since you’re too inept to actually read.

Here’s what I’m saying:

We quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available

We don’t quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available



Do you follow yet? Dumbass. This isn’t a thread about opening up and letting it get worse.

This is a thread about how shutting down hasn’t actually made it better.


Also please stop with this “are you willing to let your parents die” narrative.

I can play this game too. Are you willing to let your child go hungry for 10 years? Are you willing to let your brother/sister go homeless without a job to pay rent?

You’re just going to quietly pat yourself on the back for saving some 80 year olds while you make generations of the future live in suffering for decades?

Let me ask have you ever lived hungry or with without shelter?

Let me assure you there are worse things in this world than death. Take a trip to Africa once this all clears up and you won’t think twice about trying to shove your stupid “willing to let your parents die” narrative down everyone’s throats trying to make them feel like sh*t to get your point across

There is no feel good decision here so stop acting like you’re better than others with your opinion.

You’re literally the definition of scum trying to make others feel like sh*t.

Seriously I challenge you to live on the streets this next winter and scavenge for food from dumpsters and see if your attitude changes.

Until then, shut the f*ck up.

Negged and I’ve got you on negs for life because I keep seeing you post that same extremist comment of “Oh you want to open things up that must mean you’re ok with your parents dying”

No dumbass. Not one person who wants to open up is looking to get people executed. Just like people in favor of locking down aren’t hoping children go hungry or homeless from a wrecked economy.

So shove it up your ass already.


Edit:

And for the record I don’t care if you want to have a different opinion than me. In fact I welcome it and yeah I’m trolling to some extent here.

But this piece of sh*t I’m quoting continues to post this same garbage that anyone with an opposing opinion to his that wants fewer restrictions are all murderers of the elderly.

Sorry bro. None of us are in favor of executing the old. Stop pretending that’s what we want.

But hey if my side of the argument means I’m a murderer of the old then your side of the argument means you’re ok starving young children.

Or do you not see the parallel here? Probably not. You’re heads so far up your own ass no way you can see the negative consequences your decisions would have

I mean you’re saving the old. You’re a superhero. Nothing bad at all a result of lockdown. Right? Ok. Living in denial mother ****er.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet
I don’t want to beleef.
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/...arch-says.html

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/co...study-suggests


In the same article they also saying it might remain in fecal matter too, which they previously said it didnt. Just means they havent had enough time to really investigate everything thoroughly. Even the tests are rushed to market and not able to be FDA approved to the normal standards, so the accuracy is probably not the same as say a tuberculosis test they been doing forever.
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Originally Posted By SteadyFlexOnU
A vaccine right now would do nothing because the virus is out there it’s prevalent and its mutating. Vaccine is only a preventative measure for a specific virus code and thats not a cure nor is it even effective in all people. Its a primer for your immune system in some cases.
If it’s mutating like the common cold ,I’d say we’re fuked
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Covid-19 has as long as a 14 day incubation period. The symptoms then usually last 10 to 14 days.

So you can't just say that a quarantine isn't working unless it has been in place for at least a month.
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What do you think the numbers will be if we just drop the quarantine? I’m guessing they will go up pretty quick.
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken
- What do you do when when we have 100k people who need hospital beds/vents and only 10k are available? Which 10% get the beds and which 90% probably die?
- Who is going to run the death panels?
- What do you do for all the non-corona patients who need hospitalization in the meantime?
- Are you willing to sacrifice your own parents if they get sick and watch them die at home without care? You're just going to quietly accept it and head off towagecel for your master?

This is an easy problem to solve logically in a vacuum. Everyone hates the boomers so they can fukk off and die already.
bruh the middle class is who is going to get fuked. the "masters" are all getting bailouts.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1
Another retard post in here missing the point.

Let’s spell this out for you since you’re too inept to actually read.

Here’s what I’m saying:

We quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available

We don’t quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available



Do you follow yet? Dumbass. This isn’t a thread about opening up and letting it get worse.

This is a thread about how shutting down hasn’t actually made it better.


Also please stop with this “are you willing to let your parents die” narrative.

I can play this game too. Are you willing to let your child go hungry for 10 years? Are you willing to let your brother/sister go homeless without a job to pay rent?

You’re just going to quietly pat yourself on the back for saving some 80 year olds while you make generations of the future live in suffering for decades?

Let me ask have you ever lived hungry or with without shelter?

Let me assure you there are worse things in this world than death. Take a trip to Africa once this all clears up and you won’t think twice about trying to shove your stupid “willing to let your parents die” narrative down everyone’s throats trying to make them feel like sh*t to get your point across

There is no feel good decision here so stop acting like you’re better than others with your opinion.

You’re literally the definition of scum trying to make others feel like sh*t.

Seriously I challenge you to live on the streets this next winter and scavenge for food from dumpsters and see if your attitude changes.

Until then, shut the f*ck up.

Negged and I’ve got you on negs for life because I keep seeing you post that same extremist comment of “Oh you want to open things up that must mean you’re ok with your parents dying”

No dumbass. Not one person who wants to open up is looking to get people executed. Just like people in favor of locking down aren’t hoping children go hungry or homeless from a wrecked economy.

So shove it up your ass already.
Are you actually retarded? The quarantine is making it better. People don't catch the virus by staying in their home all day. They get it by being near someone who has it. Holy **** you are retarded.
I hate capitalism srs
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1
Another retard post in here missing the point.

Let’s spell this out for you since you’re too inept to actually read.

Here’s what I’m saying:

We quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available

We don’t quarantine: 100k ppl will need a bed when only 10k are available



Do you follow yet? Dumbass. This isn’t a thread about opening up and letting it get worse.

This is a thread about how shutting down hasn’t actually made it better.


Also please stop with this “are you willing to let your parents die” narrative.

I can play this game too. Are you willing to let your child go hungry for 10 years? Are you willing to let your brother/sister go homeless without a job to pay rent?

You’re just going to quietly pat yourself on the back for saving some 80 year olds while you make generations of the future live in suffering for decades?

Let me ask have you ever lived hungry or with without shelter?

Let me assure you there are worse things in this world than death. Take a trip to Africa once this all clears up and you won’t think twice about trying to shove your stupid “willing to let your parents die” narrative down everyone’s throats trying to make them feel like sh*t to get your point across

There is no feel good decision here so stop acting like you’re better than others with your opinion.

You’re literally the definition of scum trying to make others feel like sh*t.

Seriously I challenge you to live on the streets this next winter and scavenge for food from dumpsters and see if your attitude changes.

Until then, shut the f*ck up.

Negged and I’ve got you on negs for life because I keep seeing you post that same extremist comment of “Oh you want to open things up that must mean you’re ok with your parents dying”

No dumbass. Not one person who wants to open up is looking to get people executed. Just like people in favor of locking down aren’t hoping children go hungry or homeless from a wrecked economy.

So shove it up your ass already.
This, NYC cases are going through the roof and guess what, theyre already quarantined.

So we shut down the economy for fuking what again?
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Originally Posted By exxtracool
we know this bro.

the question remains: how long do we hold a shutdown?

it could be a while before this shows signs of slowing down and we have a promising drug deep in human trials (assume FDA stop being *******s through this ofc).
4 weeks, 6 weeks maybe. LOL at OP freaking out about 'scientists' not knowing everything about this virus and therefore should completely ignore everything science has to say about covid.

Anyway, it doesn't have to be a completely new drug, a lot of existing antivirals and other drugs are being tested (like HCQ), we will definitely catch a break. Vaccine is far-fetched though.
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Originally Posted By SuperChieftain
What do you think the numbers will be if we just drop the quarantine? I’m guessing they will go up pretty quick.
Fascinating insight
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