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post 1609263011 06-30-2020, 05:44 PM
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^above isn't racism its a law designed to not punish those who are less of a threat to degrading society and committing crime. People who do coke don't commit violent crime and beat their wives. People who do crack do. ******* isn't a problem in society as much as crack is. That's just a fact. If you think it's racism, don't do crack then, do coke. There solved. Guess what your problem went away and you didn't have to change skin colour just spend a little more dough.
Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
redlining laws which targeted blacks to not be able to get loans to keep them in impoverished areas

Most leftys and those who are pro blm are ideology and emotionally driven, hence most cant make any real arguments that hold up to scrutiny and their beliefs/ ideas are generally in lala land
Not loaning to high risk people isn't racism. Every class of people has faced this, blacks just don't want to go through the growing pains of having to lift themselves out of poverty. Thy want to commit crimes and sell drugs and then riot when someone tries to stop them. They are coddled by an America ridden with guilt over slavery its too afraid to openly put blacks in check and say this is why so many of you in prison and so many of you are in poverty. 99 times out of 100 it is because of behaviour not race.
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
What's the question?

Having high levels of crime doesn't nullify the fact that blacks experience high levels of racism. Both of those things are part of their culture in America.

The high level of crime probably contributes a fair amount towards racism against blacks.
That's not what the people said, though. The people OP was talking to just dismissed him outright and called him racist. That can't really be defended. What I gathered is OP might be, at least in part, asking why it's racist to bring up statistics, when the people who he was talking with, and liberals in general, employ statistics when making their claims that police and white people are racist.
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Originally Posted By thunderykoala⏩
Just saying it's racist to bring up statistics is disingenuous. At least some people try to explain the statistics away.
I agree, except a lot of people using statistics like "well bro, 13 percent of the population does 50% of crime" is just a descriptive statement and means absolutely nothing with a prescriptive statement to give more insight into what they actually believe/ how to amend the issue
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
coke is just as bad as crack
Have you never met a baser? Crack is way worse for people than some columbian nose candy
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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
I believe there are some things were systemic racism againstminoritiesis apparent in the law.

For example, why is it that you need to have a higher amount of ******* to be crime and a very little amount of crack? The latter gets stiffer legal punishments than the former. The former is the drug of choice of rich, white people who often get away with a slap on the wrist for possession while the latter can be found in poor neighborhoods mostly used by minorities.

It's that kind of systemic racism that is bothersome.
Except that has nothing to do with racism. Crack is much more dangerous than *******.



It's also much cheaper and thus easier to access.
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
redlining laws which targeted blacks to not be able to get loans to keep them in impoverished areas

Most leftys and those who are pro blm are ideology and emotionally driven, hence most cant make any real arguments that hold up to scrutiny and their beliefs/ ideas are generally in lala land
Redlining has been receiving justice for years. Some instances recently won major cases.
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
I agree, except a lot of people using statistics like "well bro, 13 percent of the population does 50% of crime" is just a descriptive statement and means absolutely nothing with a prescriptive statement to give more insight into what they actually believe/ how to amend the issue
No system is perfect, but I thought things were improving in many ways.


- crime rates down

- police brutality down

- unemployment rates down

- govt. assistance rates down

- meaningful prison reform passed




So what should we do?? Obviously defund police and burn down cities.




That said, I do think there are some good things in the reform bill being presented(like eliminating no-knock warrants), but that change is happening AS PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT’S ALREADY IN PLACE. But let’s be honest, these riots were never about change, but just an attack on the system.
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Originally Posted By zyzzliftswjesus⏩
Not loaning to high risk people isn't racism. Every class of people has faced this, blacks just don't want to go through the growing pains of having to lift themselves out of poverty. Thy want to commit crimes and sell drugs and then riot when someone tries to stop them. They are coddled by an America ridden with guilt over slavery its too afraid to openly put blacks in check and say this is why so many of you in prison and so many of you are in poverty. 99 times out of 100 it is because of behaviour not race.
one of the justifications for a red zone was " undesirable population or infiltration of it". explain to me thats not racist or at least bigoted...

This logically follows a simple path, you deem an area undesirable guess what doesnt happen. Infrastructure and jobs, the community suffers and remains in poverty for years. Kids are born there, with little prospects in the area, want to get their own place and now cannot get a loan, or pay much more to get a house compared to their white counterparts in yellow or blue zone...
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The logic goes like this:

Does BLM mean all black lives or do we recognize that people like Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jordan are protected by class privilege?

So you also understand that ALM does not mean every person but instead covers all people without class privilege?


Class is the defining aspect of your life and trumps everything else.

Recognizing that there are a disproportionate number of POC in the lower class does not have anything to do with needing to address class first.

If you address class, you automatically fix inequality. If you try to use race based solutions to fix class based problems you will fail, intentionally.
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
I agree, except a lot of people using statistics like "well bro, 13 percent of the population does 50% of crime" is just a descriptive statement and means absolutely nothing with a prescriptive statement to give more insight into what they actually believe/ how to amend the issue
Pointing out the statistics is intended to illustrate a reason why they might receive more focus by the police, or by the general populace as well. Democrats even used those statistics to enact legislation that encouraged racial profiling. Black people almost unanimously vote democrat and have for decades. So the problems that BLM and libs are socially advocating for were ironically enough created, supported, and perpetuated by them, at least in part.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
No system is perfect, but I thought things were improving in many ways.


- crime rates down

- police brutality down

- unemployment rates down

- govt. assistance rates down

- meaningful prison reform passed




So what should we do?? Obviously defund police and burn down cities.




That said, I do think there are some good things in the reform bill being presented(like eliminating no-knock warrants), but that change is happening AS PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT’S ALREADY IN PLACE. But let’s be honest, these riots were never about change, but just an attack on the system.
i agree with all this dude, we probably dont disagree on a lot. All that stuff is good steps forward, and burning down your neighborhoods doesnt solve anything
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Originally Posted By A-GAME⏩
Except that has nothing to do with racism. Crack is much more dangerous than *******.



It's also much cheaper and thus easier to access.
1.) people should go back and look at what crack did to the black communities. I’m not saying it’s the right or wrong plan of action, but the crack epidemic was absolutely horrific. I imagine if the punishments had been the same people would probably say they didn’t do enough to stop it.

2.) the law is based on the form of the drug, not the race of the person who possesses it. It’s not like white people with crack were charged with a different crime than a black person with crack.
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
and trumpers are the epitome of logic and reason right?
I think it’s possible to be sceptical of the politics behind BLM without being a trumper, maybe
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BLM uses anecdotes rather than statistics to form the basis for their arguments because their entire movement is based on a lie
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Originally Posted By samsbolton⏩
I think it’s possible to be sceptical of the politics behind BLM without being a trumper, maybe
one hundred percent, you're also from the uk so i wouldnt really expect you to be a trumper... but its hypocritical call all leftys idiots when theres going to be a similar amount of people on the right just as dumb
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Black Lives Matter, just like antifa, is a Marxist communist organization at its core and not truly seeking benevolent civil rights issues. They only use racial division to achieve those Marxist goals. [not all protesters are aware of that however. They are simply 'useful idiots' to the Marxists.]

Trying to make sense and logic with any of it doesn't work unless you understand that fact.

Part of it has to do with creating and solidifying thehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariatbut also the disruption and demoralization of existing non-Marxist police and government power is an additional major goal among many others.
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In my opinion, it is all bullchit.

All i need is my blackness, some others seem to lack this, black joy, and my black vibe, gonna be a black man til the day i die.
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
one hundred percent, you're also from the uk so i wouldnt really expect you to be a trumper... but its hypocritical call all leftys idiots when theres going to be a similar amount of people on the right just as dumb
Stupidity is deciding to agree/disagree with a position due to its source instead of its content. Literally the same stupidity behind all bigotry defines the 2 party system and its loyal automatons.
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
Stupidity is deciding to agree/disagree with a position due to its source instead of its content. Literally the same stupidity behind all bigotry defines the 2 party system and its loyal automatons.
Always reminds me of the console war between playstation and xbox players back in the day. No matter what, they just stuck to their choice. They would subconsciously prevent themselves from seeing that both systems had pros and cons to consider. Humans gonna human.
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Anytime a white liberal states whites are privileged and blacks are oppressed (and you wouldn't understand if you're not black) at the same time, ask how they are allowed to speak on black people's behalf but not you.

If they are black/brown liberal, ask how they can purport to know how white people live if they're not white themselves. Made a white and asian left-tard stumble over themselves with those ones.
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Originally Posted By YarsRevenge⏩
Always reminds me of the console war between playstation and xbox players back in the day. No matter what, they just stuck to their choice. They would subconsciously prevent themselves from seeing that both systems had pros and cons to consider. Humans gonna human.
We are hard wired to want to be on a team, for that team to be the best team and for that team to win even when they didn't.

We understand this well but instead of deconstructing this self destructive tendency, education attempts to exploit this flaw to create lifelong followers.

If education was interested in teaching people how to think instead of creating loyal automatons we would focus on teaching skepticism, critical thinking, courage and empathy.

Teaching kids how to think is terrifying, teaching them what to think feels much better because you already know the outcome.
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This is called Fabian Socialism based on the Fabian strategy used in ancient Rome. When you gradually take over all lines of a functioning society, and infiltrate it with specific ideas, you create the perfect system to brainwash. Rich elitists were able to take over and control all of media, hollywood, the school system, university, recently churches, major corporations, as well as the local and federal government.

Now you have infiltration of every aspect of life, and all you need to do is push you people into power. Now you use the power of the media to push false narratives, which will be further pushed by celebrities, teachers, CEOs, the Pope, etc, and then you have these effects trickle down to children who grow up thinking that these issues are correct given social shame and isolation comes with being on the "wrong" side.

This is the end result. It seems they pulled the plug a little early because Trump hampered their takeover when he beat out Hillary, but they are on full blast right now.

They are weak. So weak. When you're weak, you act as though you are strong. This is their game right now, and everyone is falling for it.
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
We are hard wired to want to be on a team, for that team to be the best team and for that team to win even when they didn't.

We understand this well but instead of deconstructing this self destructive tendency, education attempts to exploit this flaw to create lifelong followers.

If education was interested in teaching people how to think instead of creating loyal automatons we would focus on teaching skepticism, critical thinking, courage and empathy.

Teaching kids how to think is terrifying, teaching them what to think feels much better because you already know the outcome.
Couldn't agree with you more brah. After goin to school for psych, this is exactly the thing I advocate most. People severely lack critical thinking skills. I've always been kinda weary of the effects social media has on people so I used to do reports on the "statistics" posted on major accounts, BLM was one of them. Every time, I found that they were either not true or the tests were done incorrectly. Usually they just do the thing where they don't say mean, median, or mode, and just say "average" and pick which ever suits them best, but sometimes it's straight up fake numbers. They're also rarely published or peer reviewed. Not saying ALL info on social media is fake but if I, as an average, dummy student, was able to find their faults that easily, its pretty easy to see everything needs to researched before being believed.

And yea, team mentality, lack of empathy, and ****ty parenting all adds to it. Kids just need to be taught about these things so they can identify and understand early on.
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
Have you never met a baser? Crack is way worse for people than some columbian nose candy
lol yea I hear about coworkers doing coke. I hear about them getting mugged by crackheads. I live in Vancouver, we don't have black people, the cokeheads and crackheads will usually both be white but one might make 6 figures and the other will stab you 6 times for 10 bucks
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Originally Posted By VisionaryLarry⏩
This is called Fabian Socialism based on the Fabian strategy used in ancient Rome. When you gradually take over all lines of a functioning society, and infiltrate it with specific ideas, you create the perfect system to brainwash. Rich elitists were able to take over and control all of media, hollywood, the school system, university, recently churches, major corporations, as well as the local and federal government.

Now you have infiltration of every aspect of life, and all you need to do is push you people into power. Now you use the power of the media to push false narratives, which will be further pushed by celebrities, teachers, CEOs, the Pope, etc, and then you have these effects trickle down to children who grow up thinking that these issues are correct given social shame and isolation comes with being on the "wrong" side.

This is the end result. It seems they pulled the plug a little early because Trump hampered their takeover when he beat out Hillary, but they are on full blast right now.

They are weak. So weak. When you're weak, you act as though you are strong. This is their game right now, and everyone is falling for it.
Yes but what do? The masses are dumb af.
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