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post 1612002541 07-29-2020, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
I think a human's obligation is to do well, and to leave this world in a better place than s/he found it.

But the vast majority of humans fail at this: a short-sighted, vain, egocentric species with many weaknesses. Only slightly outweighed by its capability for grandeur and excellence.
one thing i will say.. it is really weird how selfish people are for a supposed "social" species

have never been able to pinpoint which one is learned
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Originally Posted By mobp⏩
I'm all for eugenics but let's be honest, most of y'all would get sterilized.
This.

I'm as patriotic as anyone and am grateful for the rights that we currently enjoy, and will defend the republic for as long as we are still free within these borders, BUT...

...I realize that this experiment is coming to an end at some point, and when it does, and once we've lost all our freedoms...

...then fukk it, yes, start sterilizing mass quantities of the globe.
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Originally Posted By propreffered7⏩
one thing i will say.. it is really weird how selfish people are for a supposed "social" species

have never been able to pinpoint which one is learned
Most people have bad seeds and will love miserable lives. The question is when not if. Some accept this in their teens and others get hit later in life.

Only truly exceptional humans can be happy and content.

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Originally Posted By badbl00d⏩
DR has a higher murder rate despite having more people and a higher population density. Not only that Santo Domingo is only marginally safer than Port Au Prince Punta Cana is a tourist town...No crap it's nice when you're charging people hundreds of dollars per night to stay there. I'm not saying that Haiti is some beautiful sprawling metropolis, but to pretend that DR isn't a chithole is disingenuous at best.

If you feel Haiti is safer, go there and never vacation to DR? Are you serious with this chit? LMAO
Haiti is not safer then DR i i dont know where you are hearing this chit. Even a Haitian will tell you how crap Haiti is. Why do you think, so many are illegally coming over. There are a million Haitians in Dominican Republic. Dominican Republic has a population of 10 million. Lets be honest if all those Haitians were deported the crime rate wouldnt be as high. Haiti is way more corrupt. Dominican Republic isnt some amazing place, but its a million times better then Haiti. just look at the agricultural, economy, safety ect... Haiti is literally the biggest chithole in the west. Why do you think so many are looking for hand outs in other countries. If Haiti is so much better great vacation to Haiti people look like you over there anyways.
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Everything is all relative.

It's like saying why not get rid of the manlets?

Because you will create new manlets but this time they'll be 6'0+.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
As Americans is it not your duty to want to uplift your fellow citizens out of poverty & in to success for the betterment of your country?

No justice, no peace.
Not really. It’s my duty to make sure equal opportunity exists, not equal outcome.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Not really. It’s my duty to make sure equal opportunity exists, not equal outcome.
Mirin the equal opportunity in trailer parks with kids eating road kill.

Mirin hard.
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Originally Posted By Tomohokk⏩
Everything is all relative.

It's like saying why not get rid of the manlets?

Because you will create new manlets but this time they'll be 6'0+.
Do we have time to evolve into a better species that could be trusted to mesh more innocuously with AI in the future?
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
Mirin the equal opportunity in trailer parks with kids eating road kill.

Mirin hard.
Strong change of conditions. From “lifting all Americans out of poverty” to trailer park kids eating road kill. Because helping starving kids is the same thing as giving money to some jobless lazy welfare leech.
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Originally Posted By 401Delta⏩
Do we have time to evolve into a better species that could be trusted to mesh more innocuously with AI in the future?
no we are tipped out, in order to have this level of individual freedoms you have to also have this level of cluster fuk.

AI might be able to kludge us into something safer but likely less free. but also ai might "kill us" by hacking our reward function.
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Originally Posted By BigElephant⏩
I'm on board with eugenics. Retards should be sterilized now, no exceptions. I wouldn't wish that life on anyone. Beyond that, I don't think we should sterilize poor people, but the government definitely needs to stop giving them incentives to churn out babies.
you're aware that you are retarded and will be sterilized in that scenario, yes?
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Strong change of conditions. From “lifting all Americans out of poverty” to trailer park kids eating road kill. Because helping starving kids is the same thing as giving money to some jobless lazy welfare leech.
As I've said in this thread before, I'd rather welfare recipients received food rather than cash money.

However even then, someone simply not starving still doesn't equate to "equal opportunity". You need to be careful in which topics you parrot Ben Shapiro because this debate isn't one where his lines work.
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Hahaha I’m ready for you fatass GI Joe wannabes, you alt-reichters have been exposed as the pussys you truly are, nobody is scared of you, your side has lost

Hilarious to see I’m living rent free in your head rent free and I genuinely do not even know who you are
Rent free in my head? Nah, your stupid ass is in literally every thread these days. Hard to miss your pathetically beta comments boyo
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
As I've said in this thread before, I'd rather welfare recipients received food rather than cash money.

However even then, someone simply not starving still doesn't equate to "equal opportunity". You need to be careful in which topics you parrot Ben Shapiro because this debate isn't one where his lines work.
I never said, not even implied, that it does. You should re-read your own post that was responded to. YOU are the one making blanket statements. Choose your wording more carefully.

So once again, NO, it is not my duty to lift all fellow Americans out of poverty. Understand?
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
As I've said in this thread before, I'd rather welfare recipients received food rather than cash money.

However even then, someone simply not starving still doesn't equate to "equal opportunity". You need to be careful in which topics you parrot Ben Shapiro because this debate isn't one where his lines work.
Problem is people will always find a way to abuse the system. Give them food? They'll sell it to Jamal or Billy Bob for 50% of it's value so they can buy a 40 oz and 2 packs of newports or a 12'r of Busch and a can of Skoal. Give them an EBT card with a fixed amount of money for groceries that's reloaded once a month and they'll live high on the hog eating steak and lobster for a week then scrounge on Top Ramen and Spaghetti-o's the next 3 until the card gets loaded again.
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Originally Posted By 401Delta⏩
That's the question that I'm asking, though...this is new territory for us as humans. The answer you provided is a good one for today, but it would not have been applicable a few hundred million years ago.

Is morality going to ultimately be a detriment to mankind?

It doesn't seem to logical, at least looking at it on a grand scale, to ask for both justice and peace.

Humans, as we exist now, regardless of race, are too flawed to have access to so much energy.

If we are to survive, we need to evolve smartly...not justly.
Let's consider one aspect of morality here:

"Future generations".

I'm not advocating for a metaphysical kind of morality, but imagine this: on the land that you own, would you want to say, do nothing to make sure that the earth there is wholesome and sustained? Wouldn't it be nice to limit GMO manipulation which creates extra sweetness in corn but removes many of the healthy elements in them? Wouldn't it be nice if our kids didn't have to worry that much about mercury in fish, or heavily polluted lakes and oceans?

Wouldn't it be great if many of the large oil tankers in this world (especially Iran's) were flagged by country registries that demanded certain things in terms of pollution, ensuring lack thereof, and go after illicit ship to ship transfers that spill crude oil or refined fuel (Jet A1) into the sea?

Looking at it simply from one aspect (future generations), there are lots of things humans can do, and perhaps should have been forced to do (i.e., China right now, Brazil and India too) in terms of taking care of this planet.

Humans are too flawed, per my post, to get it right. That's why you see New Yorkers walking down the street thinking it's cool to empty their pockets (lint, old receipts) and simply dump them on the floor as they walk around. They must think it is "cool" or that they are "entitled" somehow to treat the city like chit.

I don't think so. But humanity as a whole is far too selfish to even consider something as basic as keeping the world nice enough for their children.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
I never said, not even implied, that it does. You should re-read your own post that was responded to. YOU are the one making blanket statements. Choose your wording more carefully.

So once again, NO, it is not my duty to lift all fellow Americans out of poverty. Understand?
OK, so let's dig a little deeper. Tell me how one fights for equal opportunity in cities where no business is investing, thus no jobs are being created & the residents of said city are unable to receive business loans to create opportunity & the area in general has terrible schooling?

Seems like a recipe for poverty to me.
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Problem is people will always find a way to abuse the system. Give them food? They'll sell it to Jamal or Billy Bob for 50% of it's value so they can buy a 40 oz and 2 packs of newports or a 12'r of Busch and a can of Skoal. Give them an EBT card with a fixed amount of money for groceries that's reloaded once a month and they'll live high on the hog eating steak and lobster for a week then scrounge on Top Ramen and Spaghetti-o's the next 3 until the card gets loaded again.
You're definitely not wrong. However at least the distribution of food for welfare recipients will create jobs in and of itself.
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Originally Posted By DesiredUser****⏩
Rent free in my head? Nah, your stupid ass is in literally every thread these days. Hard to miss your pathetically beta comments boyo
Now you know that’s not true fatboy

I misc when I chit, I chit 2/3x a day and I pick a couple of threads to troll you weak beta Trumpturds....

And I’m not even a hater of Trump the man, but you cult fanboys are cancerous. Bunch of white privileged silver spoon fed pussys who would never dare say the chit you say online irl
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Strong narcissism ITT. Miscers are some of the worst people in society srs. Selfish, entitled, greedy, sociopathic, etc. Absolutely not the type of people who should be breeding and raising kids in their image.
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
Let's consider one aspect of morality here:

"Future generations".

I'm not advocating for a metaphysical kind of morality, but imagine this: on the land that you own, would you want to say, do nothing to make sure that the earth there is wholesome and sustained? Wouldn't it be nice to limit GMO manipulation which creates extra sweetness in corn but removes many of the healthy elements in them? Wouldn't it be nice if our kids didn't have to worry that much about mercury in fish, or heavily polluted lakes and oceans?

Wouldn't it be great if many of the large oil tankers in this world (especially Iran's) were flagged by country registries that demanded certain things in terms of pollution, ensuring lack thereof, and go after illicit ship to ship transfers that spill crude oil or refined fuel (Jet A1) into the sea?

Looking at it simply from one aspect (future generations), there are lots of things humans can do, and perhaps should have been forced to do (i.e., China right now, Brazil and India too) in terms of taking care of this planet.

Humans are too flawed, per my post, to get it right. That's why you see New Yorkers walking down the street thinking it's cool to empty their pockets (lint, old receipts) and simply dump them on the floor as they walk around. They must think it is "cool" or that they are "entitled" somehow to treat the city like chit.

I don't think so. But humanity as a whole is far too selfish to even consider something as basic as keeping the world nice enough for their children.
That's my point...

If we keep placating the people here, it's just going to get worse.

If you want that utopia that you painted, we're going to need to make serious evolutionary changes to the species before then or drastically reduce the overall numbers to a level that's more manageable.
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Now you know that’s not true fatboy

I misc when I chit, I chit 2/3x a day and I pick a couple of threads to troll you weak beta Trumpturds....

And I’m not even a hater of Trump the man, but you cult fanboys are cancerous. Bunch of white privileged silver spoon fed pussys who would never dare say the chit you say online irl
I'm sure you're a really tough manlet IRL. Just LOL
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
You're definitely not wrong. However at least the distribution of food for welfare recipients will create jobs in and of itself.
I think one of the best things they could do for any form of food/housing assistance program would be to implement a random drug screening protocol. Testing everyone would cost far too much and defeat the purpose, but test just enough to make it a real possibility. If you test positive for any illegal substance 1 time you are cut off from all benefits for a period of time, let's say 3 months. Test positive again? Cut off from all government assistance for life.

Unfortunately this will never happen because it would be deemed racist. (By people who claim to oppose racism but in the next breath would claim that a drug screening protocol would unfairly target POC's thereby assuming that POC are more likely to do drugs.)

To add to this in a constructive manner, I would say to limit EBT card usage to certain items. Fresh meats and produce, rice/beans, plain oatmeal, milk, eggs, cheese, bread, etc. If you want Hot Pockets and Frosted Flakes you are welcome to purchase them. With your own money. This would have the added benefit of creating a healthier population on top of reducing frivolous spending of taxpayer funds.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
OK, so let's dig a little deeper. Tell me how one fights for equal opportunity in cities where no business is investing, thus no jobs are being created & the residents of said city are unable to receive business loans to create opportunity & the area in general has terrible schooling?

Seems like a recipe for poverty to me.



You're definitely not wrong. However at least the distribution of food for welfare recipients will create jobs in and of itself.
Government gives financial incentives/subsidies to businesses in said areas. Fund the local primary education system better. And about a half dozen other things. But the key point is those things need to be done in conjunction with cutting welfare/unemployment, and cultural changes need to happen.

You have this notion that if the opportunity is available people will jump on it. That is demonstrably false. These communities have embedded within them cultures that will choose a life of “poverty” if it means not working over a life of working. We need to fight it from both ends.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Government gives financial incentives/subsidies to businesses in said areas. Fund the local primary education system better. And about a half dozen other things. But the key point is those things need to be done in conjunction with cutting welfare/unemployment, and cultural changes need to happen.

You have this notion that if the opportunity is available people will jump on it. That is demonstrably false. These communities have embedded within them cultures that will choose a life of “poverty” if it means not working over a life of working. We need to fight it from both ends.
I think that's an incredibly large assumption to make but we can agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted By 401Delta⏩
That's my point...

If we keep placating the people here, it's just going to get worse.

If you want that utopia that you painted, we're going to need to make serious evolutionary changes to the species before then or drastically reduce the overall numbers to a level that's more manageable.
Or simply compel those people. Soft forms are "public education", others are local interest groups (say, the kind that go after people who don't poop and scoop, or who litter, etc.).

The more tricky one is the international situation. How can we make Brazil, India and China (especially the latter) comply with any real form of international law? They'll just sit across the room from you and "Deny, deny, deny" like Russia does.

At this point it becomes a choice between going: "fu*k it" (and following suit) or "doing what we can" - of primary benefit to our State, and I'm in the latter camp. Without this impacting much on our competitive advantage situation, to be sure.
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