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08-28-2020, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By drLihp⏩
Sounds like the cop was on private property and knew he was in the wrong?Maybe he doesn't have a record of violence and sexual abuse?
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08-28-2020, 03:19 PM
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Can a normal citizen shoot someone before there is an actual threat?
Say you get into a fight with some stranger and he reaches into his waist-band or retreats to a vehicle, can you then shoot them?
Why can cops shoot people who have not yet presented a direct deadly threat to them? Why do they get to assume the actions of others? Is that not a case of "guilty until proven innocent"?
Disobeying police commands is not a justification for the police taking someones life. If you're not defending your life or the lives of others from a direct threat then you shouldn't be stopping the non-threat with deadly force.
There are many dangerous jobs in America and you assume the risk when you accept the job, the American police officer wants to move the occupational risk from the "professional" to the citizen. What kind of ****ing "hero" is that? They want to take away the 2nd amendment because then they would have a monopoly on deadly force.
The cops I know are very macho, they've shown me pictures of bad accidents without a bit of disgust. They don't tell each other they fear anything and they won't admit to being scared among brothers. They're "terrified" when need be. If you're scared, don't become a pro boxer, don't become a commercial fisherman and for the sake of us all, please, don't become a cop
Say you get into a fight with some stranger and he reaches into his waist-band or retreats to a vehicle, can you then shoot them?
Why can cops shoot people who have not yet presented a direct deadly threat to them? Why do they get to assume the actions of others? Is that not a case of "guilty until proven innocent"?
Disobeying police commands is not a justification for the police taking someones life. If you're not defending your life or the lives of others from a direct threat then you shouldn't be stopping the non-threat with deadly force.
There are many dangerous jobs in America and you assume the risk when you accept the job, the American police officer wants to move the occupational risk from the "professional" to the citizen. What kind of ****ing "hero" is that? They want to take away the 2nd amendment because then they would have a monopoly on deadly force.
The cops I know are very macho, they've shown me pictures of bad accidents without a bit of disgust. They don't tell each other they fear anything and they won't admit to being scared among brothers. They're "terrified" when need be. If you're scared, don't become a pro boxer, don't become a commercial fisherman and for the sake of us all, please, don't become a cop
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08-28-2020, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Holy ****. I can’t believe what I’m reading from Wincel Of all people.My mind was changed by the vid.
I no longer think the Kenosha shooting was unjustified and given the info they knew of him being armed, it makes sense. The cop even reached and pulled the guy's shirt to stop him from reaching into the car. They couldn't tackle him and they had no legal cause to shoot him until he reached into the car. They simply couldn't stop him, and the cop tried to pull his shirt and yank him away from the car. They really had no choice.
Just an unfortunate situation all around.
I no longer think the Kenosha shooting was unjustified and given the info they knew of him being armed, it makes sense. The cop even reached and pulled the guy's shirt to stop him from reaching into the car. They couldn't tackle him and they had no legal cause to shoot him until he reached into the car. They simply couldn't stop him, and the cop tried to pull his shirt and yank him away from the car. They really had no choice.
Just an unfortunate situation all around.
I would be curious to see what a police officer would say about the accuracy of this video.
08-28-2020, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted By drLihp⏩
Probably because his hands are in full view the entire time, the cop is on private property not serving a warrant, and the guy hadn't fought with the police physically prior to that confrontation. Here are a bunch more anecdotal cases of police taking black people alive:As well as this video:
Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Respect for being honest. Here's another good short (1 min) video showing something similar:My mind was changed by the vid.
I no longer think the Kenosha shooting was unjustified and given the info they knew of him being armed, it makes sense. The cop even reached and pulled the guy's shirt to stop him from reaching into the car. They couldn't tackle him and they had no legal cause to shoot him until he reached into the car. They simply couldn't stop him, and the cop tried to pull his shirt and yank him away from the car. They really had no choice.
Just an unfortunate situation all around.
I no longer think the Kenosha shooting was unjustified and given the info they knew of him being armed, it makes sense. The cop even reached and pulled the guy's shirt to stop him from reaching into the car. They couldn't tackle him and they had no legal cause to shoot him until he reached into the car. They simply couldn't stop him, and the cop tried to pull his shirt and yank him away from the car. They really had no choice.
Just an unfortunate situation all around.
Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
A regular citizen in that situation you described, has the ability to run away from the situation. A cop serving a warrant for a violent felon who is holding a knife and has already fought the police, can't just walk away from the situation and let the guy drive off, especially not in a car full of children. There's grey areas in citizen conflict, whereas fighting the police in any situation is against the law. If he hadn't previously been fighting with the police, and they weren't in the process of trying to arrest him, and they shot him? That's different.Can a normal citizen shoot someone before there is an actual threat?
Say you get into a fight with some stranger and he reaches into his waist-band or retreats to a vehicle, can you then shoot them?
Why can cops shoot people who have not yet presented a direct deadly threat to them? Why do they get to assume the actions of others? Is that not a case of "guilty until proven innocent"?
Disobeying police commands is not a justification for the police taking someones life. If you're not defending your life or the lives of others from a direct threat then you shouldn't be stopping the non-threat with deadly force.
There are many dangerous jobs in America and you assume the risk when you accept the job, the American police officer wants to move the occupational risk from the "professional" to the citizen. What kind of ****ing "hero" is that? They want to take away the 2nd amendment because then they would have a monopoly on deadly force.
The cops I know are very macho, they've shown me pictures of bad accidents without a bit of disgust. They don't tell each other they fear anything and they won't admit to being scared among brothers. They're "terrified" when need be. If you're scared, don't become a pro boxer, don't become a commercial fisherman and for the sake of us all, please, don't become a cop
Say you get into a fight with some stranger and he reaches into his waist-band or retreats to a vehicle, can you then shoot them?
Why can cops shoot people who have not yet presented a direct deadly threat to them? Why do they get to assume the actions of others? Is that not a case of "guilty until proven innocent"?
Disobeying police commands is not a justification for the police taking someones life. If you're not defending your life or the lives of others from a direct threat then you shouldn't be stopping the non-threat with deadly force.
There are many dangerous jobs in America and you assume the risk when you accept the job, the American police officer wants to move the occupational risk from the "professional" to the citizen. What kind of ****ing "hero" is that? They want to take away the 2nd amendment because then they would have a monopoly on deadly force.
The cops I know are very macho, they've shown me pictures of bad accidents without a bit of disgust. They don't tell each other they fear anything and they won't admit to being scared among brothers. They're "terrified" when need be. If you're scared, don't become a pro boxer, don't become a commercial fisherman and for the sake of us all, please, don't become a cop
08-28-2020, 08:14 PM
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Anyone got a vid of the guy getting shot?
I don't blame the police, guy probably deserved it.
I don't blame the police, guy probably deserved it.
08-28-2020, 08:39 PM
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Seven times in the back wasnt justified, especially considering they had ahold of him before letting loose. It was bull**** was happened, doesn't matter if he was a scum bag or not.
08-28-2020, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
You're an absolute idiotCan a normal citizen shoot someone before there is an actual threat?
Say you get into a fight with some stranger and he reaches into his waist-band or retreats to a vehicle, can you then shoot them?
Why can cops shoot people who have not yet presented a direct deadly threat to them? Why do they get to assume the actions of others? Is that not a case of "guilty until proven innocent"?
Disobeying police commands is not a justification for the police taking someones life. If you're not defending your life or the lives of others from a direct threat then you shouldn't be stopping the non-threat with deadly force.
There are many dangerous jobs in America and you assume the risk when you accept the job, the American police officer wants to move the occupational risk from the "professional" to the citizen. What kind of ****ing "hero" is that? They want to take away the 2nd amendment because then they would have a monopoly on deadly force.
The cops I know are very macho, they've shown me pictures of bad accidents without a bit of disgust. They don't tell each other they fear anything and they won't admit to being scared among brothers. They're "terrified" when need be. If you're scared, don't become a pro boxer, don't become a commercial fisherman and for the sake of us all, please, don't become a cop
Say you get into a fight with some stranger and he reaches into his waist-band or retreats to a vehicle, can you then shoot them?
Why can cops shoot people who have not yet presented a direct deadly threat to them? Why do they get to assume the actions of others? Is that not a case of "guilty until proven innocent"?
Disobeying police commands is not a justification for the police taking someones life. If you're not defending your life or the lives of others from a direct threat then you shouldn't be stopping the non-threat with deadly force.
There are many dangerous jobs in America and you assume the risk when you accept the job, the American police officer wants to move the occupational risk from the "professional" to the citizen. What kind of ****ing "hero" is that? They want to take away the 2nd amendment because then they would have a monopoly on deadly force.
The cops I know are very macho, they've shown me pictures of bad accidents without a bit of disgust. They don't tell each other they fear anything and they won't admit to being scared among brothers. They're "terrified" when need be. If you're scared, don't become a pro boxer, don't become a commercial fisherman and for the sake of us all, please, don't become a cop
08-28-2020, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By SlowHandClap⏩
He did deserve it.Anyone got a vid of the guy getting shot?
I don't blame the police, guy probably deserved it.
I don't blame the police, guy probably deserved it.
EDIT: ******* embed isn't working, here's the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1uv...ctr=1598670591
The video on the right is the first video that went viral. Didn't show any context at all, and initial viral reports were that he was "simply breaking up a fight and cops shot him as he was walking back to his car"
A day or so later, the video on the left came out, showing that the police were trying to arrest him, he was fighting them, they had already tased him.
You can hear them yell "Drop the knife!" repeatedly as he walks around the front of the car.
We now know also that he was not "breaking up a fight". He had broken into his ex girlfriend's house (who had a restraining order against him), she called the police, and the police were alerted by dispatch that he had outstanding warrants against him for felony rape of a minor as well as domestic abuse against the woman who called 911 and had the restraining order against him.
His kids are in the car, there are conflicting reports saying that the car actually isn't his. And that when he wouldn't leave the house, he took the woman's keys and the kids were in the car.
So not only would he be facing previous charges, if he got in the car and drove away, he'd also be kidnapping those kids, and leading police on a high speed chase.
08-28-2020, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Ravishing_Rick⏩
Even if he was 3x as slow as that window reach-in, that's still about 1 second or less.yea everyones quick draw mcgraw
Let's stop expecting cops to gamble with their life....especially when the guy had a weapon and refused to comply at all.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Is this real? Repped.My mind was changed by the vid.
I no longer think the Kenosha shooting was unjustified and given the info they knew of him being armed, it makes sense. The cop even reached and pulled the guy's shirt to stop him from reaching into the car. They couldn't tackle him and they had no legal cause to shoot him until he reached into the car. They simply couldn't stop him, and the cop tried to pull his shirt and yank him away from the car. They really had no choice.
Just an unfortunate situation all around.
I no longer think the Kenosha shooting was unjustified and given the info they knew of him being armed, it makes sense. The cop even reached and pulled the guy's shirt to stop him from reaching into the car. They couldn't tackle him and they had no legal cause to shoot him until he reached into the car. They simply couldn't stop him, and the cop tried to pull his shirt and yank him away from the car. They really had no choice.
Just an unfortunate situation all around.
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