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post 1618341111 10-03-2020, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Azure84⏩
Ok. So far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. You're a sheep, just like all the other paniccels.
yeah but masks have been used for ages in hospitals, clinics, schools, military, etc to try and prevent spread of airborne disease in large groups long before corona virus existed. So you're saying this entire time, it's all been a myth and masks have absolutely no effect whatsoever? why did it take this long to discover that if this is the case?
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Originally Posted By FingerNailsBrah⏩
Half the overhead and people are getting to spend more time with family. That’s what we all wanted before covid...
Because of the greatest injection of government stimulus in history - which isn’t a viable solution long term
post 1618341311 10-03-2020, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Rexcalibr⏩
yeah but masks have been used for ages in hospitals, clinics, schools, military, etc to try and prevent spread of airborne disease in large groups long before corona virus existed. So you're saying this entire time, it's all been a myth and masks have absolutely no effect whatsoever? why did it take this long to discover that if this is the case?
There is a very big difference between clinical situations in confined spaces with sick people, with properly fitted n95 masks, and then normal people in loose fitting cloth masks who DON'T share spaces for extended periods of time.
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
If you guys don’t believe in masks why are dentists and surgeons wearing them? I suggest you ask them to not wear one next time you see them. Tell the dentist or surgeon that masks are not effective and germs and viruses are fake news
Because they work in sterile needed environments or with patients that are immuno-compromised. These guidelines are based on preventing BACTERIAL (which is living) transference.

Please tell me you aren't this stupid.

Also, there is a reason we have never worn masks en masse before. We don't need to. It does absolutely nothing but make people feel like they are safe or making people safe. There is a reason why mask wearers are still getting sick, and half the mask wearers at my work are still getting colds. Why aren't I? "But but but it's to keep others safe!" If you believe that then congratulations, you're a retard.

There's a reason we have never worn masks en masse before, especially in day to day life.
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
My point is never has any health regulation bankrupt small businesses and forced people out of work who are able and willing to work
How does a mask mandate bankrupt businesses? This thread is about masks, not capacity limits.
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Originally Posted By KingofLifts⏩
How does a mask mandate bankrupt businesses? This thread is about masks, not capacity limits.
Masks go hand in hand with social distancing, capacity limits, etc. It also creates fear which minimizes people going to places they normally would. This is common sense. Most businesses rely heavily on cash flow. Even cutting that in half will destroy most business.
post 1618341961 10-03-2020, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted By KingofLifts⏩
How does a mask mandate bankrupt businesses? This thread is about masks, not capacity limits.
I stated in my original post the mask is just the most visible example of the power the government has to take away freedoms. It extends beyond the masks, the whole thing is ridiculous.

You also got off track and mentioned health regulations in your post so I was responding to that - capacity constraints, social distancing etc are clearly examples of health regulations
post 1618342211 10-03-2020, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Azure84⏩
Ok. So far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. You're a sheep, just like all the other paniccels.

1. A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
2. A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medince found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/maskin...with-politics/
3. A Covid-19 cross-country study by the University of East Anglia found that a mask requirement was of no benefit and could even increase the risk of infection.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...260v1.full.pdf
4. An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control).
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sed-sound-data
5. An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
6. An April 2020 Cochrane review (preprint) found that face masks didn’t reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases, neither in the general population nor in health care workers.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.20047217v2
7. An April 2020 review by the Norwich School of Medicine (preprint) found that “the evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasks”, but supports the use of masks by “particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.20049528v1
8. A July 2020 study by Japanese researchers found that cloth masks “offer zero protection against coronavirus” due to their large pore size and generally poor fit.
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13523664
9. A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use.
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
10. An August 2020 review by a German professor in virology, epidemiology and hygiene found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks and the improper daily use of masks by the public may in fact lead to numerous additional infections.
https://www.thieme-connect.com/produ...55/a-1174-6591
Someone else can cherry pick studies to the contrary man. It's not impressive. What you should be posting is, before and after mask mandate transmission data.

Btw your first study has this in it's conclusion:However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched.
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post 1618342221 10-03-2020, 05:31 PM
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OP riddle me this. The govt mandates you have to wear a mask when you go outside, and social distance. But they say it's completely safe to take it off when you are at home (in theory infecting your entire family, assuming we take your position). And then they also say it's completely safe to wear one as long as you are rioting.

How do you interpret this?
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Originally Posted By FrankGrimes29⏩
Masks go hand in hand with social distancing, capacity limits, etc. It also creates fear which minimizes people going to places they normally would. This is common sense. Most businesses rely heavily on cash flow. Even cutting that in half will destroy most business.
This thread is about masks.. Read the title. Don't muddle the terms.
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post 1618342341 10-03-2020, 05:33 PM
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Thankfully Mexicans in the barrio hate white people, so they refuse to wear masks just because the white man tells them to.
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Originally Posted By mp83⏩
Yeah, wearing a mask to slow the spread of a potentially deadly pandemic is totally the same thing.

Sorry that you're a giant manbaby who is more of a pussy than my 3 year old niece though.
Your niece is a child which inherently trusts and follows the commands of their parents who are supposed to know what is best for them. The government is not your guardian, and it certainly is not always correct or virtuous.

Passing and enforcing legislation which compels individuals to take some form of treatment in order to protect others, when said method is not perfect and debatable, is anti-individualism and anti-American. If you are scared of covid, wear an N95 mask. If you are scared of the flu, get a vaccine. Don't force others to abide by your ideology, you're free to do whatever you want to yourself and even self-segregate.
Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
Freedom and all that bs
If you don't fight against the erosion of your freedoms, they can be gone within a generation. Oh wait, you're from UK, better watch what you post on the internet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_decline
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Also want to mention it's perfectly fine to take off your mask in California to eat at a full table of patrons. But as soon as you walk off you have to put it back on.

Why isn't the government forcing people to wear masks when they are at home with their families?

It's the riddle of the ages.
post 1618342741 10-03-2020, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
So many professional virologist here who know everything
It’s not really about whether masks are effective or not

The data shows the survival rate is extremely high unless you are 70 plus

We make decisions everyday and weigh the risks - whenever you get into a car you accept the possibility you could get into an accident and die - it’s a slippery slope when the government starts infringing on your freedom to make your own decisions

Now the argument to this is - I am being selfish and putting those who are vulnerable at risk by not taking necessary precautions and my answer to that is if you are a vulnerable subset of the population you should make your own decisions and take precautions as you see fit - those who are young and healthy should be able to live life however they want
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
It’s not really about whether masks are effective or not

The data shows the survival rate is extremely high unless you are 70 plus

We make decisions everyday and weigh the risks - whenever you get into a car you accept the possibility you could get into an accident and die - it’s a slippery slope when the government starts infringing on your freedom to make your own decisions

Now the argument to this is - I am being selfish by putting those at risk by not taking necessary precautions and my answer to that is if you are a vulnerable subset of the population you should make your own decisions and take precautions as you see fit - those who are young and healthy should be able to live life however they want
Let's be honest, no one can answer my question. Why isn't the government, forcing families to wear masks at home. Liberals get stumped by this 1 question.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Let's be honest, no one can answer my question. Why isn't the government, forcing families to wear masks at home. Liberals get stumped by this 1 question.
Why is the government forcing restaurants and bars to shut down at 11pm?- I forgot the virus is only contagious after 11pm
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1) they don't work as studies and Fauci himself have stated
2) people are being fined and arrested for not wearing a mask. Where are the laws that have gone through Congress requiring masks? Complete abuse of power bordering on tyranny
3) "but they require clothes bro" is pretty invalid. All you need to do is cover your lewd parts. Why are we against the Taliban in Afghanistan forcing women to wear burqas? It's just an outfit bro
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
If you don't fight against the erosion of your freedoms, they can be gone within a generation. Oh wait, you're from UK, better watch what you post on the internet.
Ok tell me more. I grew up in a soviet union country and so did many generations before me. Having to wear a mask doesn’t make us cry about our lack of freedom and it isn’t a reason to throw tantrums like little children. Anti-maskers are nothing but snowflakes
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Originally Posted By KingofLifts⏩
Someone else can cherry pick studies to the contrary man. It's not impressive. What you should be posting is, before and after mask mandate transmission data.

Btw your first study has this in it's conclusion:However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched.
Well, here's the daily cases in France after the mask mandate. Not that it matters, because the reality is the amount of cases are only rising because they're increasing the amount of testing.



You can feel free to believe whatever you want, but the decision to use masks in the general public is NOT based on science.
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
Ok tell me more. I grew up in a soviet union country and so did many generations before me. Having to wear a mask doesn’t make us cry about our lack of freedom and it isn’t a reason to throw tantrums like little children. Anti-maskers are nothing but snowflakes
Anti maskers are nothing but people who see how ridiculous wearing a mask is given the survival rate of the virus.

Plus I don’t like wearing the mask, it’s annoying, gross uncomfortable etc - come at me
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
Anti maskers are nothing but people who see how ridiculous wearing a mask is given the survival rate of the virus.

Plus I don’t like wearing the mask, it’s annoying, gross uncomfortable etc - come at me
Fight the power. You are so rebel it’s such a turn on
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
Fight the power. You are so rebel it’s such a turn on
This kind of rebuttal is all that pro maskers have.

This and “masks save lives” repeated as a mantra without any evidence

You can’t beat stupid, they’ve had plenty of chances to reset their brainwashed minds
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
Fight the power. You are so rebel it’s such a turn on
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
Fight the power. You are so rebel it’s such a turn on
It wasn't rebellious to not wear a mask for 28 years of my life, but because some fat phucks in power and a 3 letter organization say so, now we're rebels for not being a retarded?

If a guy in a lab coat from the cdc tells you to stick a dildo up your ass for public health reasons that make no logical or medical sense, would you do it? If you say no, THEN OMG YOU'RE such a rebel!

You're such a rebel wearing a sport brah in public.
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Originally Posted By Tdriin⏩
Fight the power. You are so rebel it’s such a turn on
Ok go wear a mask for the rest of your life lol
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Originally Posted By xeron⏩
This kind of rebuttal is all that pro maskers have.

This and “masks save lives” repeated as a mantra without any evidence

You can’t beat stupid, they’ve had plenty of chances to reset their brainwashed minds
It's funny how all the pro maskers don't actually know anything about the subject though, they just saw it on their version of CNN and FEEL that it's right.
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Originally Posted By mp83⏩
Because they're stupid as **** and selfish.

My 3 year old niece wears a mask without throwing a hissyfit, but apparently adults that are in the Trump cult cannot
Has nothing to do with trump but you can’t help but have his name in your mouth. Strange
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