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post 1626207893 12-21-2020, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Mcfreako⏩
My point was I would never submit to a lockdown lol

There could be an alien invasion with a 99.9% chance of anyone who doesn’t submit to a lockdown dying and I would still do whatever I wanted. And chances are if the government is using an event to implement tyranny, they created that event in the first place.

The government is ALWAYS the problem, and NEVER the solution
If you truly believe this then use your second amendment and take down the tyrannical government.... that’s what the 2A was created for

I mean, you’re not a cuck are you?





Lmao cuck
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I don’t support lockdowns no matter the mortality rate.

People should have a choice.
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Originally Posted By Frank
Insults need a little work ladies.
Mine wasn’t an insult, it was a statement of fact. The fact that you took it as an insult is not only an admission of guilt but also proof that it is actually your feelings that need a little work
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
gg'd
A little more creative, good try.
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i don't really care about death rates, it's moreso now that ICUs are literally full locally

this should have been the driving statistic the whole time and you might have seen compliance, now that everyone's sick of being told what to do while ICUs are empty, they've stopped caring and if i get in a car wreck, i might be left to die because there's nowhere to put me

letting people do as they please until ICUs hit, i don't know, 80%+ then tightening up would have been a logical response but politicians got drunk on the power and moved the goalposts too many times to get compliance
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Originally Posted By Mcfreako⏩
Mine wasn’t an insult, it was a statement of fact. The fact that you took it as an insult is not only an admission of guilt but also proof that it is actually your feelings that need a little work
you're legit mad r.n.
post 1626208303 12-21-2020, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah⏩
If you truly believe this then use your second amendment and take down the tyrannical government.... that’s what the 2A was created for

I mean, you’re not a cuck are you?





Lmao cuck
I don’t face tyranny. Why? Because like I said, I am not a cuck. I live in Florida.
I have yet to wear even a single mask. Ever. Literally not one. And I have yet to alter my schedule in any way that I didn’t choose to do myself.

Lol at assuming everyone else is cucked just because you are.
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post 1626208313 12-21-2020, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By MiniManletBrah⏩
If you truly believe this then use your second amendment and take down the tyrannical government.... that’s what the 2A was created for

I mean, you’re not a cuck are you?





Lmao cuck
You don't have to go to that extent in most of America. I don't submit to the lockdown either, haven't stopped eating at restaurants, shopping normally, having family gatherings or get togethers with friends, etc... and don't wear a mask.

In America you just don't follow the rules you don't want to. The government knows they have no power over you, at least in the conservative states. If you live in a leftist state you're ****ed.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
In America you just don't follow the rules you don't want to.
What rules are you breaking lmao
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Originally Posted By Frank
you're legit mad r.n.
A Canadian could never make me mad. They owe their entire way of life to me. I am quite literally every Canadians father. When you sit on a throne like that it’s really hard to get mad at the one who needs you to even survive.
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Originally Posted By Frank
What rules are you breaking lmao
Idk. Just saying that here in conservative states within the US you, or at least speaking for myself, only listen to laws you agree with. It's what I do, and so far I have no criminal record.

edit to add - I thought most adult men operated on this principle in life as well. The government doesn't make the laws for me, they make consequences. I adhere to my own morals and beliefs.
post 1626209023 12-21-2020, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
Idk. Just saying that here in conservative states within the US you, or at least speaking for myself, only listen to laws you agree with. It's what I do, and so far I have no criminal record.
So for example, if you didn't agree with laws against speeding, you could just drive how you wish and live as a free man?

You guys are lucky - no lockdowns. I wish we had that here. But we don't and I don't delude myself into thinking that I'm going to fight the man on things I don't agree with.
post 1626209053 12-21-2020, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Mcfreako⏩
A Canadian could never make me mad. They owe their entire way of life to me. I am quite literally every Canadians father. When you sit on a throne like that it’s really hard to get mad at the one who needs you to even survive.
Yes, your wordy replies to every post suggest that you are in fact, not mad.

Stay not mad, *******.
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The current virulence is more than enough to justify certain lockdowns.

The numbers being tossed around ITT, assuming the same rate of spread as covid, would be apocalyptic scenarios.
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post 1626209473 12-21-2020, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Frank
Yes, your wordy replies to every post suggest that you are in fact, not mad.

Stay not mad, *******.
This must be Canadian logic. My wordy replies suggest that I just took some EC and I’m bored, nothing more lol
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Originally Posted By Frank
So for example, if you didn't agree with laws against speeding, you could just drive how you wish and live as a free man?

You guys are lucky - no lockdowns. I wish we had that here. But we don't and I don't delude myself into thinking that I'm going to fight the man on things I don't agree with.
Sure if you're willing to pay the cost associate with the ticket. I'm not saying you'll face no consequences but for the most part red states don't enforce regulations that infringe upon freedom, for example telling me I can't go to a football game without wearing a mask or have 40 family members over for thanksgiving.

And no court in an area like mine would uphold a punishment for those activities were it handed out.
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Originally Posted By SteadyFlexOnU⏩
I did the math in my state. roughly 400k confirmed cases. About 5k deaths. Thats a 1% death rate. Most occur in elders in their 70s 80s and 90s. The actual infected number is MUCH higher likely double which brings the death rate even lower. Not to mention the false positives and negatives thrown in there and the death certificate lies. Clown world bros
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post 1626210113 12-21-2020, 01:25 PM
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Not sure I can put a number on it. Can’t even compare it to the actual number since that’s been bullsh!t since the beginning.

I’d have to actually know and see people getting sick and dying left and right for me to support a lockdown. And we’re not even remotely close to that.

My wife “finally” knows someone who died from COVID. He contracted pneumonia and died from that. Was on a respirator. Looked fairly old. ~70. It’s sad. But even his wife and son say pneumonia killed him, not COVID. His wife caught COVID also, but recovered fairly quickly. I don’t personally know these people.
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
10-15% for people under 70
I could get on board with this.

I don’t think I would be mad if it occurred in the 5-10% range either.

Like... I know not everyone is comfortable with the same level of death. My range 10-15% is probably right but I could understand if things shut down in the 5-10 range too. I wouldn’t be happy but I’d understand it and accept it.


This sh*t is ridiculous this year though and I’ve lost all respect for other human beings in 2020.

F*ck all of you now

Edit:

And for anyone believing the death rate for covid is 1% it’s more like 0.1%

Tagging everything as a covid death not to mention the extremely high number of undocumented cases makes the true death rate very minuscule
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The people that support the lockdowns were miserable losers before the lockdowns that want everyone else to be miserable losers.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
The current virulence is more than enough to justify certain lockdowns.

The numbers being tossed around ITT, assuming the same rate of spread as covid, would be apocalyptic scenarios.
I dont think people realise how fast a (worse) pandemic could become an extinction level event. It wouldn't take ANYWHERE near a 99% fatality rate and people would still be complaining about restrictions when the grids went down and the society descended into total anarchy
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I will never support lockdowns, they are unconstitutional and unethical.

I support CDC and other scientific agencies putting forth recommendations. Recommendations which I can ignore or apply as appropriate to my health and those I interact with. Recommendations are not illegal lockdowns or forced masks.

The best question would be at what mortality rate would people choose to isolate themselves? For me at around 10% for young healthy adults I'm going to basement dweller mode. At bubonic levels (1 out 4 adults dead) I'm GTFO to my remote cabin.

Every person has the right to determine what level of risk they are willing to accept and what precautions are appropriate to protect themselves. People will do what they have to to survive, or they die, it really is that simple.
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1% if that was 1% survival rate for healthy, fit young adults

so like a 10% death rate, maybe
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Originally Posted By xXWarsmtihXx⏩
I will never support lockdowns, they are unconstitutional and unethical.

I support CDC and other scientific agencies putting forth recommendations. Recommendations which I can ignore or apply as appropriate to my health and those I interact with. Recommendations are not illegal lockdowns or forced masks.

The best question would be at what mortality rate would people choose to isolate themselves? For me at around 10% for young healthy adults I'm going to basement dweller mode. At bubonic levels (1 out 4 adults dead) I'm GTFO to my remote cabin.

Every person has the right to determine what level of risk they are willing to accept and what precautions are appropriate to protect themselves. People will do what they have to to survive, or they die, it really is that simple.
The problem with this line of thinking is that people aren't just responsible for their actions - they're responsible for the results of their actions.

Let's pretend that there is a deadly communicable disease that can be contracted only by swimming in a certain lake. But it only kills 20-29 year old men.

Should I be allowed to swim in that lake, knowing it's safe for me, but possibly bringing it to our place of work and killing you? Or should that lake be fenced off because people can't be trusted to make non selfish decisions?
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Originally Posted By Frank
The problem with this line of thinking is that people aren't just responsible for their actions - they're responsible for the results of their actions.

Let's pretend that there is a deadly communicable disease that can be contracted only by swimming in a certain lake. But it only kills 20-29 year old men.

Should I be allowed to swim in that lake, knowing it's safe for me, but possibly bringing it to our place of work and killing you? Or should that lake be fenced off because people can't be trusted to make non selfish decisions?
Yes, you have that right to swim in that lake, I would also point out that I could also go get another job or ask to not work with you.

In the case of COVID you are talking about fencing off the world, which doesnt work.

Im not advocating for people to go and cough on granny in the nursing home, i would tell people to not go near those that are most likely to die. The people most likely to die should be the ones making the most drastic lifestyle changes to survive. You cannot make the world safe for everyone, people will die, it's a fact of life. I wouldnt presume to make that decision for old people either, if granny wants to see her grandson and dies that was her choice too.

Of course people make selfish decisions, everyone does. You do it, I do it, it's in my best interests to be selfish.

Everyone makes decisions based on self-preservation, some choose poorly and die. Not factoring it into decision making is a decision itself.

Nor am I saying that the recommendations are all bad, we cant all conduct research. We all have to rely on someone else for information and then base our decisions on that data.

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I would never impose lockdowns, because it's unconstitutional and a violation of human rights. If a virus was bad enough, people would choose to isolate themselves without anyone forcing them to
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Originally Posted By xXWarsmtihXx⏩
Yes, you have that right to swim in that lake, I would also point out that I could also go get another job or ask to not work with you.

In the case of COVID you are talking about fencing off the world, which doesnt work.

Im not advocating for people to go and cough on granny in the nursing home, i would tell people to not go near those that are most likely to die. The people most likely to die should be the ones making the most drastic lifestyle changes to survive. You cannot make the world safe for everyone, people will die, it's a fact of life. I wouldnt presume to make that decision for old people either, if granny wants to see her grandson and dies that was her choice too.

Of course people make selfish decisions, everyone does. You do it, I do it, it's in my best interests to be selfish.

Everyone makes decisions based on self-preservation, some choose poorly and die. Not factoring it into decision making is a decision itself.

Nor am I saying that the recommendations are all bad, we cant all conduct research. We all have to rely on someone else for information and then base our decisions on that data.

Death is a harsh mistress, she spares none and her lessons are conclusive.
I have a theory on the lockdowns - I think world leaders had a pretty damn good idea that a vaccine would be available within a very short time span. It would explain the lockdowns as temporary, but painful measures to preserve life for those that helped to build our society. If there was no cure around the corner the lockdowns would be simply delaying the inevitable. But with the mass vaccination right around the corner the lockdowns have literally saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Elderly lives, but lives nonetheless.
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