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Thread: Has Tom Brady reached Michael Jordan's level of GOATness? (if not, why?)

post 1629655053 01-25-2021, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted By StarfaceChris⏩
Jordan was both the most skilled player in the league and most athletic. Brady isn't athletic and position he plays isn't even considered a sport to me more comparable to pro video games where all you need is to think fast and have great reflexes.
This is just ignorance of never having played football. Not considering the qb position as a “sport” is flat out retarded. No wonder you’re red
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Jordan and Montana are goats, they never lost when they went to the final stage.

Michael Jordan never lost an NBA finals series or had to play in a seventh game while leading the Chicago Bulls to six world championships in eight seasons in the 1990s

Id say Brady and Lebron is a better comparison.
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Brady got drafted by MLB.
Jordan wanted to play MLB so bad he quit NBA at his peak to play in the minors
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I always thought Peyton Manning was better. But Brady is probably more accomplished than MJ at this point considering how Brady has longevity while MJ retired early.
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Brady is closer to someone like Bill Russel than Jordan. One of the greats and just a born winner but no football player can be as important as a single basketball player. There are 22 starters in football if you don't count special teams and only 5 in basketball making each individual player much more important
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Pretty sure he's surpassed it. Brady is doing things you've never seen from a player in the NFL to an extreme rate. He's doubling the accomplishments of many greats of the game.

Jordan did some monumental things too, but not at the scale Brady seems to be doing them. Jordan didn't double the amount of NBA Finals appearances as the next person in line for instance.

It's that level of uniqueness that's really elevated Brady above all else. And if he wins his 7th SB it's just getting to the point of ridiculous. 6 NBA rings isn't equivalent to 6 NFL rings either for those trying to cross compare the sports.
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Who? Don't really know much about him, NFL isn't popular outside of America.

Jordan was a worldwide phenomenon.
Congratulations on not even remotely answering the question coherently. Most popular =/= most dominant. NBA markets the individual player very well and Jordan owned a f*cking company. I wonder why he's more popular than Brady world wide... durrr
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post 1629656193 01-25-2021, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Unstumpable⏩
Yeah, easily on the same level.
Tom Brady > MJ

MJ had 3 hall of famers on his team, in an era with a bunch of white guys (no offense to my white bros here).
not gonna bring coaches in this cuz they both had goat tier coaches


Brady won rings without weapons up until he had Gronk. & even then Gronk was injured the second 2 runs. (he made welker and edelman). Now he's bout to do it his first year on a new team and finally you can say he has weapons.
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post 1629656233 01-25-2021, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted By StarfaceChris⏩
position he plays isn't even considered a sport to me more comparable to pro video games where all you need is to think fast and have great reflexes.
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post 1629656323 01-25-2021, 12:42 PM
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No.

Not as famous. Jordan earns >100MM per year today.
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Yes he did and nobody can argue. Although he always had receivers and a good team, Jordan did as well.

He is goat and you cannot argue this. Not a Brady fan myself but you can’t say he isn’t
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Originally Posted By Lb54TG⏩
Tom Brady > MJ

MJ had 3 hall of famers on his team, in an era with a bunch of white guys (no offense to my white bros here).
not gonna bring coaches in this cuz they both had goat tier coaches


Brady won rings without weapons up until he had Gronk. & even then Gronk was injured the second 2 runs. (he made welker and edelman). Now he's bout to do it his first year on a new team and finally you can say he has weapons.
Lol
Gronk, bellichick and probably Edelman wilk be in the HOF tho.

Not to also forget brady had randy moss as well at some point.
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Yeah, didn't think so.
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There are 2 major differences:

- Brady has been caught cheating twice
- Brady lost during his perfect season; Jordan won the ring when he went 72-10

Also, Brady hasn't dominated a Super Bowl yet (maybe the Rams SB). Though Jordan never swept a team in the Finals either so that's a wash.
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Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩
Lol
Gronk, bellichick and probably Edelman wilk be in the HOF tho.

Not to also forget brady had randy moss as well at some point.
had older moss for 2 years.

These arent HOF numbers
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
There are 2 major differences:

- Brady has been caught cheating twice
- Brady lost during his perfect season; Jordan won the ring when he went 72-10

Also, Brady hasn't dominated a Super Bowl yet (maybe the Rams SB). Though Jordan never swept a team in the Finals either so that's a wash.
Jordan was out scored once by an opponent in a playoff series. Brady routinely gets outplayed by the other qb.
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So far, i havent seen any arguments favoring Brady, other than really being nitpicky about stuff, like HOF teammates at Jordan's side etc (as if Brady played with a bad franchise)



To me its really simple:

Who was a more all around dominant player at their respective sports, Jordan or Brady?

Who was more influential on their team's success, Jordan or Brady?



It really isnt a contest IMO, as clearly Jordan wins in both. I agree that no football player can be considered greater than Jordan simply because no football player can dominate all aspects of the sport, but a basketball player can.







This would be the equivalent of Brady intercepting the ball on the last minute and then making a hail mary pass on the next play. Simply cant happen
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
There are 2 major differences:

- Brady has been caught cheating twice
- Brady lost during his perfect season; Jordan won the ring when he went 72-10

Also, Brady hasn't dominated a Super Bowl yet (maybe the Rams SB). Though Jordan never swept a team in the Finals either so that's a wash.
which sb against the rams?
because in both it was the Pats defense who saved his ass.

And vinatieri.
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
Jordan was out scored once by an opponent in a playoff series. Brady routinely gets outplayed by the other qb.
he got outplayed by Rodgers yesterday, for example.
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Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩
he got outplayed by Rodgers yesterday, for example.
No he didn't.
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Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩
which sb against the rams?
because in both it was the Pats defense who saved his ass.

And vinatieri.
Second Super Bowl. Only time Patriots won by double digits in a Super Bowl.
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Originally Posted By Lb54TG⏩
Brady won rings without weapons up until he had Gronk. & even then Gronk was injured the second 2 runs. (he made welker and edelman). Now he's bout to do it his first year on a new team and finally you can say he has weapons.


he lost a ring with the second best wide receiver in the history of the NFL before Gronk ever showed up
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Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩
he got outplayed by Rodgers yesterday, for example.
no lmao. his team won. rodgers couldnt get it going late in the second half. ridiculous some ppl think rodgers outplayed brady. brady had some weak moments but at the end of the day he showed up when it mattered unlike rodgers.

Brady > Jordan

Its harder to win in football. 1 superbowl is wort like 3 NBA rings. Lebron has shown us you can win ships in free agency. that NEVER happens in football.
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Originally Posted By umadbroski⏩
Lol
Gronk, bellichick and probably Edelman wilk be in the HOF tho.

Not to also forget brady had randy moss as well at some point.
Edelman is not a HOFer. But your point is still valid.

I also want to drop by and say that Peyton Manning has a winning record vs. Brady in the playoffs.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
No he didn't.
What he threw 3 picks. If the bucs lost it would’ve been 100% his fault.
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Originally Posted By Kaliconic⏩
The best three seasons of his entire career are worse than Patrick Mahomes' first three seasons, so definitely not. He's massively overhyped by morons who don't understand the concept of team sports and think ring counting is how you determine who's the best. He was a decent but not great game manager his first five years in the league and at his peak was still really not close to the peak of QBs like Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes. He has great longevity but is otherwise hugely overrated.
Tom Brady may not be the best QB based off numbers, but he’s definitely one of the best leaders and understands the importance of a QB having weapons. He was the one who brought in Gronk and AB (although BA likes to take credit for it). His natural ability to lead and being an overall consistently good QB is what makes him GOAT.

You can’t carry a bad QB (the most important position) to 10 Super Bowl appearances.

I’m a Chiefs fan and Mahomes is definitely on track to become the next GOAT, but only time will tell if he remains consistently top tier.


Jordan is the better athlete, Brady is a better leader/teammate. Pretty sure all of Jordan’s teammates hated him, meanwhile Brady is loved and respected by all top athletes (not even just in the NFL).
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Originally Posted By Lb54TG⏩
had older moss for 2 years.

These arent HOF numbers
G 137
Rec Yards 6822
TD 36
"older Moss" caught 23 touchdowns that year
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
Brady is closer to someone like Bill Russel than Jordan. One of the greats and just a born winner but no football player can be as important as a single basketball player. There are 22 starters in football if you don't count special teams and only 5 in basketball making each individual player much more important
I'd compare Brady to Wilt.

Reality is Jordan was great, but he had great supporting players as well.
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Take 1 guy out of any sport for 2 decades and the entire history is rewritten.

How many people are on that list?
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Originally Posted By Lb54TG⏩
had older moss for 2 years.

These arent HOF numbers
G 137
Rec Yards 6822
TD 36
Older Moss is still Randy fukn Moss. He'd dust half the corners in the league right now. Fukr looks like deer running. His strides are so long it doesn't look like he's moving that fast until you see someone trying to keep up
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