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Thread: Lifting weights makes you WEAKER - my theory

post 1629994003 01-28-2021, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted By untranslatedZA⏩
Deadlifting makes you better at deadlifting
Squatting makes you better at squatting
Pull ups make you better at pullups
Jumps make you better at jumping

Squating adds a little to jumping
Jumping adds a little to squatting
Pull ups adds a little to rowing
Deadlifting adds a little to being able to carry objects while walking

People think things like walking, running, jumping ect are not skills because its so basic. But its a skill with a similar skill ceiling as a squat or a deadlift to do perfectly.

If you take two genetically identical twins and you have
#1 Only do jumps
#2 Only do squats

The obvious result will be that 1 is better at jumps and 2 is better at squats.
Though what happens when #1 continues to only do jumps, while #2 then transitions to ALSO only do jumps.
You will probably see that #2 potentially gets very close if not equal to #1 in terms of jumps, while also squatting more.

You see this happen a lot with bodybuilders moving to powerlifting and doing very well. THeir muscular capacity is so high and they are already pretty strong (just not PL strong) that they get really good really quick in PLing.
The same can be said for footballers and rugby players. Even if you disregard that these athletes already bench often, they are training their muscles intensely through the sport itself for 6+ hours a week. If you spent 6 hours a week with a coach in the gym and had good nutritional planning you would probably be stronger, but they would be more athletic.
TLDR: Lifting builds strength and strength is more efficiently utilized by your kinematic chain as you practice certain "real world" movements
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Yeah. I feel like real life strength is much more important than gym strength. Also, I think that real life strength can’t be improved by lifting weights conventionally.

It’s frustrating how I get thrown around by people that never go to the gym or even people that are short and skinny.
post 1629997603 01-29-2021, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
TLDR: Lifting builds strength and strength is more efficiently utilized by your kinematic chain as you practice certain "real world" movements
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post 1629997633 01-29-2021, 01:52 AM
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You're on a bodybuilding site. We do not want to actually build strength.

I just want tolookbig.
post 1629997993 01-29-2021, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted By EnochsProphecy⏩
somewhat true. I am willing to bet that this man below is better suited for sports than 99%+ of weight lifters. All he does is calisthetics and his muscular endurance/ stabilization is great. Probably natty too. Just a lot of volume and good genetics.

fkn turbo manlet. Calisthenics is a absolute joke when you are a man under 5'10 and not fat
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post 1629999053 01-29-2021, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted By mesobuild⏩
You're on a bodybuilding site. We do not want to actually build strength.

I just want tolookbig.
Why not both?

Size and strength feed eachother. Unless you just wanna blast tren and do machines all day
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post 1629999303 01-29-2021, 02:58 AM
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This is like saying sparring doesn’t help you be a better fighter.
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post 1629999493 01-29-2021, 03:04 AM
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real fuking stupid. you need to have activated neural pathways that can recruit large amounts of muscle fibers to move real weight
post 1629999883 01-29-2021, 03:11 AM
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I like bodyweight training (more specifically weighted bodyweight training), but I'd still say weightlifting still makes you stronger. Yes, it does train you for a specific plane of movement, but overall your nerves are still getting stronger even for other movements.

I managed to win an arm-wrestling contest with a friend by weight training, and you know there's a different movement you've got to do than using weights.

I still like this post though, maybe misc is getting better.
post 1630000403 01-29-2021, 03:26 AM
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Matt Hughes was stronger then every single ufc fighter he faced. They all said he was the strongest they have ever faced. And he barley lifted weights but worked the farm for years

Farm strength>weight strength all day
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post 1630000523 01-29-2021, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted By Crazee_786⏩
This got me thinking. YES lifting weights makes you stronger but the caveat is IT MAKES YOU STRONGER IN THAT SPECIFIC PLANE OF MOVEMENT WHILST YOU ARE PUSHING OR PULLING AGAINST THE RESISTANCE OF A 1-2 inch cylinder (barbell/dumbbell) in your hand.
Its a VERY SPECIFIC movement and you only get stronger on the squat or bench press what have you.
That's not how muscles work lmfao
post 1630001183 01-29-2021, 03:58 AM
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2002 join date, yet OP this is you:





You just figured out that strength is specific LOL. If you want to get good at sumo wrestling (chit example btw) you need to do more sumo training.


OP did you know that water is wet?
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post 1630001473 01-29-2021, 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
I could lift you up by the ankle with one arm and shake you until all your lunch money spilled out onto the sidewalk, this wouldn’t be possible if I never lifted weights.
You think you can beat me in a fight? Do you know how to wrestle? Have you grown up in a farm raising cattle by yourself well being used to plow the fields?

You must think you’re a tough guy. You have the reach advantage sure, but I outweigh you by 50lbs and soon I’ll be up to 315lbs after this bulk. I literally have the size and strength advantage. As soon as I charge at you and put you on your back there’s absolutely nothing you could do but suffocate under my weight.
post 1630001523 01-29-2021, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
This is like saying sparring doesn’t help you be a better fighter.
It doesn’t
post 1630002273 01-29-2021, 04:43 AM
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post 1630007243 01-29-2021, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted By JustMoved24⏩
Matt Hughes was stronger then every single ufc fighter he faced. They all said he was the strongest they have ever faced. And he barley lifted weights but worked the farm for years

Farm strength>weight strength all day
Farmers have THE most functional strength you can find
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post 1630007733 01-29-2021, 07:15 AM
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It doesn't make you stronger it just helps you use more strength. It's a ilussion.
post 1630008073 01-29-2021, 07:23 AM
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there is some truth to this. specifically training for a given movement pattern is going to make you better at that movement than generic weight lifting. there is a neurological component that gets trained through specificity that doesn't get trained through general weight lifting. this is not to say that weight lifting makes you weaker, but rather practicing general strength and specific movement is optimal for sport.
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Originally Posted By JustCallMeJonny⏩
You think you can beat me in a fight? Do you know how to wrestle? Have you grown up in a farm raising cattle by yourself well being used to plow the fields?

You must think you’re a tough guy. You have the reach advantage sure, but I outweigh you by 50lbs and soon I’ll be up to 315lbs after this bulk. I literally have the size and strength advantage. As soon as I charge at you and put you on your back there’s absolutely nothing you could do but suffocate under my weight.
Lmfao at how unaware you are but to answer your questions 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes.

I don’t think I’m a tough guy, I know it, I was raised to be in one of the hardest places in the country being the wrong skin color. You don’t outweigh me, not even close and I’ve got a foot in height on you not to mention I bench twice what you weigh and have posted vids here proving as much. You’re a short, no muscled fatty who’s only game plan is to bull rush somebody, I’ve made a living side stepping and one punching people like you.

6’8 320 lbs of seasoned veteran of both combat sports and street fighting not to mention lifelong cattle rancher with a weightlifting addiction > whatever tf you think you are, which is most likely a very elaborate troll that I just fell for. Congrats you got a response out of me while taking my morning chit before I go feed cattle, well done.
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You're wrong, and not only are you wrong, but you're uneducated on the subject so you're the worst kind of wrong
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
You're wrong, and not only are you wrong, but you're uneducated on the subject so you're the worst kind of wrong
U got a good build bro but when I push you around at will, you will be in for a rude awakening.

Dont even mention if I begin striking, your entire world will be turned upside down
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Originally Posted By Crazee_786⏩
U got a good build bro but when I push you around at will, you will be in for a rude awakening.

Dont even mention if I begin striking, your entire world will be turned upside down
Got a feeling this guy and Jonny are the same person.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Lmao, just no
Hehe maybe

Then maybe not hehe
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Lmfao at how unaware you are but to answer your questions 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes.

I don’t think I’m a tough guy, I know it, I was raised to be in one of the hardest places in the country being the wrong skin color. You don’t outweigh me, not even close and I’ve got a foot in height on you not to mention I bench twice what you weigh and have posted vids here proving as much. You’re a short, no muscled fatty who’s only game plan is to bull rush somebody, I’ve made a living side stepping and one punching people like you.

6’8 320 lbs of seasoned veteran of both combat sports and street fighting not to mention lifelong cattle rancher with a weightlifting addiction > whatever tf you think you are, which is most likely a very elaborate troll that I just fell for. Congrats you got a response out of me while taking my morning chit before I go feed cattle, well done.
Bro you are not 320lbs, your frame is way too lanky to hold that much weight. I’m 290lbs and I promise you I’ve experienced much more chit in 1 year of my life than you have for your entirety. I grew up having to pick fights and establish myself in the town I grew up. And you’re only 6’8 idgaf if that’s taller I’m 6’3 and not too far off from you in weight.

I bench 375lbs and deadlift 600lbs. Strong enough to beat tf out of you. You seriously must be joking to think you can mog me. You look soft, like a cute dumb giant Lenny that I can toss while lmao. I also played football in high school so yes I am athletic to a degree. Even if my numbers aren’t up to par with yours my aggression and ferocity is enough to take you out if we were ever in the street.
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Lifting weights could make you weaker if you never gave yourself adequate rest to recover.

If you hit chest everyday 3x a day you could probably do enough damage to get weaker.

If you're not retarted and give your body an adequate amount of rest lifting won't make you weaker (and with enough stimulus you will obviously get stronger whether through neural adaptation or an increase in muscle mass).
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Yes lifting weights get you strong IN THAT movement, but thats the argument here - lifting a weight is useless strength

We have been told it transfers well to other movements but it doesnt!
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Originally Posted By JustCallMeJonny⏩
Bro you are not 320lbs, your frame is way too lanky to hold that much weight. I’m 290lbs and I promise you I’ve experienced much more chit in 1 year of my life than you have for your entirety. I grew up having to pick fights and establish myself in the town I grew up. And you’re only 6’8 idgaf if that’s taller I’m 6’3 and not too far off from you in weight.

I bench 375lbs and deadlift 600lbs. Strong enough to beat tf out of you. You seriously must be joking to think you can mog me. You look soft, like a cute dumb giant Lenny that I can toss while lmao. I also played football in high school so yes I am athletic to a degree. Even if my numbers aren’t up to par with yours my aggression and ferocity is enough to take you out if we were ever in the street.
Gonna require some proof of your lifts because the person in your avi is literally 50% body fat without even the slightest sign of any muscle what so ever.
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