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post 1631783453 02-18-2021, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
im not buying batteries for rare winter storms
Cali’s buy batteries for legislation
Lol that’s ok others might if not no batteries needed
post 1631783913 02-19-2021, 12:01 AM
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Solar? Lol. Try a generator. All the solar in the world is useless when tied to the grid. Power goes down and so does yours. Your chit tied to the grid?
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post 1631784033 02-19-2021, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted By jasticus⏩
Lol that’s ok others might if not no batteries needed
Ah, I see-no batteries needed = tied to grid. Lol. Everyone in Texas could have had this system and they all would be without power. Like I said-they need generators, not solar.
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Just lol @ cubecels trying to pretend they understand electricity ITT

Thats tradie territory
post 1631784453 02-19-2021, 12:19 AM
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i think generators will boom. it took just one long power outage for me to get solar. that said generators are cheaper and therefore more accessible
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post 1631784903 02-19-2021, 12:34 AM
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I bought a 16kw generator for my north Houston house
Constantly lost power in the early days

Have yet to lose power in my new house , even with the winter storm this last week
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post 1631785093 02-19-2021, 12:39 AM
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Some people where complaining that there solar panels froze. Lol. And they where out of energy. Heard a few friends saying about switching to Solar energy. But I highly doubt it.
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post 1631785293 02-19-2021, 12:46 AM
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post 1631797253 02-19-2021, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted By Nostradamus15⏩
Some people where complaining that there solar panels froze. Lol. And they where out of energy. Heard a few friends saying about switching to Solar energy. But I highly doubt it.
Lol nice nice. Solar panels work in extreme cold. We have them in urah. Of course this westher with out any sun is differnt


And above you get a battery so it runs during black outs and can have panels charge it during the day
post 1631797403 02-19-2021, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
I bought a 16kw generator for my north Houston house
Constantly lost power in the early days

Have yet to lose power in my new house , even with the winter storm this last week
What was the price of that
post 1631840953 02-19-2021, 04:51 PM
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At OP, if your company is the largest residential solar company then I worked there back in the early 2010s in the finance and financial products team when they were a small startup. I have a pretty in depth behind the scenes knowledge (how the finances, product, pricing, National company strategy differences (solar city vs Sunrun vs vivint vs spwr), history, etc) so feel free to AMA about your state. I’ll inform people through the tactics, economics work, and what makes sense. I’ve switched industries more than 8 years ago but our team invented the products.

But people do research first:
- Cash vs Lease vs Loan (25-30% tax credit is what makes the difference for everything — literally the ppa/lease deals were invented so Wall Street banks to acquire ITC — multi billion dollar securitization project financing). If your state has PACE, avoid at all costs.
- does your state have net metering, feed in tariff, sell your excess production etc.
- flexible solar/utility based on TOU + solar batteries makes most sense for Texans (idk Texas states policies so this might not be an option.)
post 1631841533 02-19-2021, 04:57 PM
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I'm not anti solar. And I think a Tesla roof, once its up and running, would be awesome. However, I don't believe solar is a solution for the Texas storm.

Tim Kennedy made a post about his solar panels/battery bank being useless during this winter storm due to there being no sunlight, snow covering panels, etc. He had to switch to a gasoline generator to power his house.


I have very little faith in the grid itself and at some point I'm going to have a solar setup with a battery bank as well as a generator for backup. But not many American's are a 'prepper' per say and they aren't interested in spending that kind of money for something that may never be needed again.
post 1631843033 02-19-2021, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted By johnez⏩
solar? Lol. Try a generator. All the solar in the world is useless when tied to the grid. Power goes down and so does yours. Your chit tied to the grid?
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I'll be honest I have nothing against solar but there's been talk of pushback about still making consumers who power their own homes via solar paying into the grid for maintenance fees ... which honestly Im unsure how I feel about. I can see both sides of that argument. However I will say that I think pushing solar without batteries just makes no sense. You are going to be at the mercy of the grid or the mercy of the elements without batteries. Also in a state like TX right now you are would see all of your batteries taking a huuuuuuuuuuuge drop in capacity as output drops significantly because internal resistance of batteries increases during cold conditions. A battery can see near a 50% drop in capacity with an 80F swing in temperature.... and those batteries wont last forever. Also the average life span of most solar panels is 25-30 years so depending on your setup you are probably going to be looking at dishing that out again in 35-40 years. If you are looking to save money by buying solar sure you can do that... but the upfront cost of that ... you'd probably make out better investing it imo. If you want to add solar and batteries to your home for reliability that is a different thing entirely and if you have the cash go for it.

These are my general thoughts on retail solar. I'll add in I have worked in the power industry for about 8 years. I did 6 years as a Navy Nuke, some work as a maintenance electrician and managing a small scale factory power grid, and moved into a different line of work. I have a lot of friends who work in Nuclear, Natural Gas, CC Plants, install Solar(mostly commercial), work for balancing authorities or do similar work.
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post 1631843913 02-19-2021, 05:30 PM
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Are you stupid op? All the solar panels and wind turbines frozed up before the coal generators.

This storm will kill all "green" movement.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Are you stupid op? All the solar panels and wind turbines frozed up before the coal generators.

This storm will kill all "green" movement.
That statement is not entirely wrong but very misleading. Less than 15% of TX Energy comes from wind so those turbines freezing up wouldnt have made much impact. STP Unit 1 (Nuclear) had a pressure sensing line for it's feed system freeze and somehow lost 2 feed pumps and so the plant shut itself down out of safety. Gas pipelines froze because ERCOT has not spent time or money winterizing their grid despite things like this happening in the past. That being said there is a reason most of the energy doesn't come from wind and this situation wouldn't have been any better with a majority of Wind because again... the main issue was they failed to winterize.
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post 1631846703 02-19-2021, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted By BXTT⏩
At OP, if your company is the largest residential solar company then I worked there back in the early 2010s in the finance and financial products team when they were a small startup. I have a pretty in depth behind the scenes knowledge (how the finances, product, pricing, National company strategy differences (solar city vs Sunrun vs vivint vs spwr), history, etc) so feel free to AMA about your state. I’ll inform people through the tactics, economics work, and what makes sense. I’ve switched industries more than 8 years ago but our team invented the products.

But people do research first:
- Cash vs Lease vs Loan (25-30% tax credit is what makes the difference for everything — literally the ppa/lease deals were invented so Wall Street banks to acquire ITC — multi billion dollar securitization project financing). If your state has PACE, avoid at all costs.
- does your state have net metering, feed in tariff, sell your excess production etc.
- flexible solar/utility based on TOU + solar batteries makes most sense for Texans (idk Texas states policies so this might not be an option.)
noice you named who I work for. Not gonna say which and all your details spot on. It’s rare to find someone who knows lol
post 1631846773 02-19-2021, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Are you stupid op? All the solar panels and wind turbines frozed up before the coal generators.

This storm will kill all "green" movement.
Lol dude how would solar be killed when we are talking residential? If anything they roped them selves raising their rates by 10k percent. And how they treating home owners and how rates going up. Everyone’s gonna switch to solar if they can be separate from the grid
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
I'm not anti solar. And I think a Tesla roof, once its up and running, would be awesome. However, I don't believe solar is a solution for the Texas storm.

Tim Kennedy made a post about his solar panels/battery bank being useless during this winter storm due to there being no sunlight, snow covering panels, etc. He had to switch to a gasoline generator to power his house.


I have very little faith in the grid itself and at some point I'm going to have a solar setup with a battery bank as well as a generator for backup. But not many American's are a 'prepper' per say and they aren't interested in spending that kind of money for something that may never be needed again.
Sounds like the guy did a two small of a system but yeah in the situation with no sunlight is not gonna charge the batteries but if they did extra batteries that would definitely help in California people can run their house off a battery or two for like a week straight
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cheaper to just install a whole house standby generator thats not gonna have issues when 2 inches of show chit up the solar panel absorption.
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Texans won't do anything. They'll complain and then pay those $5k utility bills and still not join a modern grid and continue spewing lies about turbines freezing.
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Originally Posted By Kawhilights⏩
Texans won't do anything. They'll complain and then pay those $5k utility bills and still not join a modern grid and continue spewing lies about turbines freezing.
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/

They are right in line on the cheaper end of energy but ok....?
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Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩
cheaper to just install a whole house standby generator thats not gonna have issues when 2 inches of show chit up the solar panel absorption.
I’ve been selling solar in Utah and that obviously snows year-round and it’s getting huge out there you’ll see
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Originally Posted By jasticus⏩
So I moved here last week to sell solar. We are all thinking since power going way up and chit Solar’s gonna take off. We’re able to build systems with batteries. You guys think it’s gonna take off ?

Ps any miscers that want solar I can hook it up. Working for a multi billion dollar solar company and they allow you to price it anyway. They give us an insanely low red line.
Solar/wind fails on a massive scale on the doorstep of a mini ice age. Are you ferreal thinking solar will soar next? That is a special kind of stupid...
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Originally Posted By jamalfudge⏩
Solar/wind fails on a massive scale on the doorstep of a mini ice age. Are you ferreal thinking solar will soar next? That is a special kind of stupid...
We’re talking about residential solar m8 people in Utah have it and it’s gotten huge out there and it snows half the year so think again
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For an average middle-class $500k home in Texas, what's the startup cost? Because it sounds like it would never actually pay for itself based on the numbers you monkeys are tossing around ITT
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Originally Posted By PassiveLearner⏩
For an average middle-class $500k home in Texas, what's the startup cost? Because it sounds like it would never actually pay for itself based on the numbers you monkeys are tossing around ITT
It all depends on their power bill but essentially the idea is if they’re paying for example $200 for power we replace that Power bill with rh a Solar bill that’s cheaper so it pays for itself off without any extra cost out-of-pocket in anyway. So it’s essentially going from renting your house to owning it with a mortgage instead and solar panels actually last for over 40 years nowadays and the production warranties from the manufacture even show it only loses 10% efficiency by till the 25th year. Average system for around $100 power bill is about $28,000 and the government subsidizes almost 1/3 and sometimes states and cities have more incentives and rebates.It’s all finance through really low interest loans under 3% interest and there’s no upfront cost for anyone so it’s more like just them swapping a bill for a cheaper bill
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You'll have to find customers as dumb as my neighbor. Went whole hog solar because electricity was so expensive. Turns out he didn't have a clue about powertochoose.org and was paying $0.20/kWh.
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Originally Posted By stevebec⏩
You'll have to find customers as dumb as my neighbor. Went whole hog solar because electricity was so expensive. Turns out he didn't have a clue about powertochoose.org and was paying $0.20/kWh.
na man paying power comapnies is a scam long term brb renting power for life while rates go up for life
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The quicker we can destroy this planet and the idiots on it the better so I'll stick with destructive fossil fuels
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