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Originally Posted By tnel00⏩
i fully agree i think the culture is too far gone at this point, realistically. it would take some extreme measures to go back to where child rearing was prioritized, and it's not clear what mechanism would replace religion (which Americans of all stripes have abandoned in droves) for getting people on the same page culturally/morally.Trying to revert culture back to a pre-existing norm will never happen without legal ramifications
it's much easier and faster to tear down culture than it is to build it up.
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Y'all Alex Jones and Joe Rogan are entertainers. It ain't some chit in the water or dating culture, it's just that poor countries have more babies.
They need to make babies for labor reasons, and they have higher infant mortality so a lot of the babies don't even survive after they are born. Rich countries have educated women and birth control, so there is less incentive to have tons of babies as soon as possible. That's all it is.
They need to make babies for labor reasons, and they have higher infant mortality so a lot of the babies don't even survive after they are born. Rich countries have educated women and birth control, so there is less incentive to have tons of babies as soon as possible. That's all it is.
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Think about it, you live on a farm in a 3rd world country. You need a ton of babies to work the farm and just survive. You are married off as soon as possible for this reason.
Or you live in a first world country. You have literacy, freedoms, choices. Women can work jobs and read, they aren't forced into marriages in exchange for some goats and sheep.
Women didn't choose to have babies back in the day, they were just married off and had babies without a say in the matter. Poor countries still work like this. That's why they have high fertility rates, dating isn't really a thing. Marriage is arranged and not everyone even goes to school at all.
Or you live in a first world country. You have literacy, freedoms, choices. Women can work jobs and read, they aren't forced into marriages in exchange for some goats and sheep.
Women didn't choose to have babies back in the day, they were just married off and had babies without a say in the matter. Poor countries still work like this. That's why they have high fertility rates, dating isn't really a thing. Marriage is arranged and not everyone even goes to school at all.
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
your point about infant mortality and labor is completely valid, but it's not 100% of the story in my opinion.Y'all Alex Jones and Joe Rogan are entertainers. It ain't some chit in the water or dating culture, it's just that poor countries have more babies.
They need to make babies for labor reasons, and they have higher infant mortality so a lot of the babies don't even survive after they are born. Rich countries have educated women and birth control, so there is less incentive to have tons of babies as soon as possible. That's all it is.
They need to make babies for labor reasons, and they have higher infant mortality so a lot of the babies don't even survive after they are born. Rich countries have educated women and birth control, so there is less incentive to have tons of babies as soon as possible. That's all it is.
being a richer country also correlates with a cultural shift towards individualism and materialism and away from religion.
point being, it's possible to have 3+ kids simply because your culture prioritizes marriage and kids (reasons other than needing them because of labor or infant mortality).
Mormon culture for example, HEAVILY prioritize marriage and kids ASAP more than any other American subculture, and unsurprisingly still have a high birth rate above maintenance level even though they live in America and don't need to have any kids at all to survive.
if culture wasn't a significant factor, we would expect the Mormon birth rate to be roughly in line with the rest of America, yet it's a significant outlier.
so yes your points are 100% valid, but ignore that being a rich country tends to also correlate with a cultural decay that also leads to low birth rates.
it's possible to be a rich country and also have high birth rates if you have a strong culture that prioritizes family building.
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
You're right, I'm saying that the culture and the economy are intertwined. Religious values are also tied to the economy and political situation, and the most religious countries are the poorest ones.your point about infant mortality and labor is completely valid, but it's not 100% of the story in my opinion.
being a richer country also correlates with a cultural shift towards individualism and materialism and away from religion.
point being, it's possible to have 3+ kids simply because your culture prioritizes marriage and kids (reasons other than needing them because of labor or infant mortality).
Mormon culture for example, HEAVILY prioritize marriage and kids ASAP more than any other American subculture, and unsurprisingly still have a high birth rate above maintenance level even though they live in America and don't need to have any kids at all to survive.
if culture wasn't a significant factor, we would expect the Mormon birth rate to be roughly in line with the rest of America, yet it's a significant outlier.
so yes your points are 100% valid, but ignore that being a rich country tends to also correlate with a cultural decay that also leads to low birth rates.
it's possible to be a rich country and also have high birth rates if you have a strong culture that prioritizes family building.
being a richer country also correlates with a cultural shift towards individualism and materialism and away from religion.
point being, it's possible to have 3+ kids simply because your culture prioritizes marriage and kids (reasons other than needing them because of labor or infant mortality).
Mormon culture for example, HEAVILY prioritize marriage and kids ASAP more than any other American subculture, and unsurprisingly still have a high birth rate above maintenance level even though they live in America and don't need to have any kids at all to survive.
if culture wasn't a significant factor, we would expect the Mormon birth rate to be roughly in line with the rest of America, yet it's a significant outlier.
so yes your points are 100% valid, but ignore that being a rich country tends to also correlate with a cultural decay that also leads to low birth rates.
it's possible to be a rich country and also have high birth rates if you have a strong culture that prioritizes family building.
If you know your history, Mormonism is a cult that has done some absolutely heinous chit. It's not a representation of a cultural ideal that America is decaying from, it's an original American cult with a really dark history. You might as well point at any orthodox minority religion, such as Orthodox Judaism or the Amish which have similar traits.
You make a good point that cultural and religious values are tied into things, but you recognize that economic development changes the culture. These highly orthodox sects are really small portions of the population living in their own small regions of the country. I'm just talking about the birth rate of the entire nation.
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Thread is full of valid points. I tell all my christian and conservative married friends to have big ass families. They will be the saviors of this country.
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Every American girl gets on birth control the second she has her period. Now couple that with social media and hypergamy feminist culture. You guys can do the math. Plastics aren't making 16 to 25 year old boys infertile lol.
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My grandpa had a ton of kids because his wife was Catholic and they were poor as hell. They had so many damn kids they couldn't afford it, he was a military grunt and they lost the mom. As a result, my dad lost his mother and became an orphan. Other kids will end up in the foster system or just straight up on the street.
Having a ton of kids without being able to provide ain't responsible, you can cause a lot of suffering. It's also not something that people do consciously. People just phuck a lot, and some religions ban birth control. People still phuck a lot, but they can choose when to have kids because of birth control.
We can look at the media for ideals and values, from tv or social media or the internet or wherever. More rarely do we look within our hearts or take the time to learn our history and the stories of our ancestors. Don't let some charismatic figure on a screen just feed you bullchit and take it at face value. Traditional values come from real traditions and not some talking head or media company.
Having a ton of kids without being able to provide ain't responsible, you can cause a lot of suffering. It's also not something that people do consciously. People just phuck a lot, and some religions ban birth control. People still phuck a lot, but they can choose when to have kids because of birth control.
We can look at the media for ideals and values, from tv or social media or the internet or wherever. More rarely do we look within our hearts or take the time to learn our history and the stories of our ancestors. Don't let some charismatic figure on a screen just feed you bullchit and take it at face value. Traditional values come from real traditions and not some talking head or media company.
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We keep cutting taxes and social services with nothing coming back to the majority of the population. Houses cost two to three times what they cost a decade ago and people are working more than ever due to technology despite wages having not significantly increased in 30 years, let alone relative to the cost of living
It’s to the point where people either can’t afford children or are too busy to have them and there is no social safety net to help parents out. Take your pick.
It’s to the point where people either can’t afford children or are too busy to have them and there is no social safety net to help parents out. Take your pick.
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Women are encouraged to be whores and entitled. Nobody can afford kids anymore because the 1 percent have shifted the wealth of the nation incredibly in their favor. I can’t wait until a few billionaires get popped.
Also kids are just used to screw men over in divorce. Asking a woman out is rape unless you’re chad. The list goes on.
Also kids are just used to screw men over in divorce. Asking a woman out is rape unless you’re chad. The list goes on.
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Originally Posted By topperstyle⏩
this 100%... plastics are ruining usThanks. Reps on recharge.
I know people don’t like Joe rogan but he had Dr. Shanna Swan on his podcast and her research on plastics and infertility were mind blowing.
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I know people don’t like Joe rogan but he had Dr. Shanna Swan on his podcast and her research on plastics and infertility were mind blowing.
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How are kids expensive to raise. Just make more money
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It’s because millennial men are fukking cucks. LOL just LOL at lack of progeny.
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I'm financially independent. I can afford a home and raise kids. Especially in these 2nd / 3rd world countries I am living in in the last years.
I can't get a right swipe from healthy BMI women younger than 25 on apps. I don't see women on bars. "Just go to the supermarket bro!" - literally went today and only saw Grannies and middle aged men.
This fertility crisis is 100% on women. Guys didn't change in the last 80 years but women have.
I can't get a right swipe from healthy BMI women younger than 25 on apps. I don't see women on bars. "Just go to the supermarket bro!" - literally went today and only saw Grannies and middle aged men.
This fertility crisis is 100% on women. Guys didn't change in the last 80 years but women have.
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
When you see communism on the horizon, the last thing you want is more mouths to feed...https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/05/us-b...-cdc-says.html
How to explain it?
I get the Alex Jones explanation, BPA, everyone is weak, sick, fat etc. And likely by design.
But what is the official explanation? Like what would some cuck like explain it as? Someone who is always sticking by official story and loves government and is anti-conspiracy theory? What would someone like that explain it as?
How to explain it?
I get the Alex Jones explanation, BPA, everyone is weak, sick, fat etc. And likely by design.
But what is the official explanation? Like what would some cuck like explain it as? Someone who is always sticking by official story and loves government and is anti-conspiracy theory? What would someone like that explain it as?
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It's money.
In an ideal world, if women had the option to stay at home in a huge house and bang out 6+ kids while hubby's job-for-life paid all the bills, I bet you at least half of them would take it. But in an era where even 2 wagecuck incomes won't buy property anymore and children are a quarter-million investment each, you see people either have 2 kids max, or stay single and buy toy dogs to be child substitutes (cause why bother with marriage if human kids aren't in the cards?)
Muh feminism, muh educated women, just lol. Japan and Korea have super old school patriarchial cultures and their birth rates are falling even faster than the West. That's what happens when you can't even afford an apartment without a 100 year mortgage (DED SRS) and your job prospects are bleak if you can't get into a top 3 university.
In an ideal world, if women had the option to stay at home in a huge house and bang out 6+ kids while hubby's job-for-life paid all the bills, I bet you at least half of them would take it. But in an era where even 2 wagecuck incomes won't buy property anymore and children are a quarter-million investment each, you see people either have 2 kids max, or stay single and buy toy dogs to be child substitutes (cause why bother with marriage if human kids aren't in the cards?)
Muh feminism, muh educated women, just lol. Japan and Korea have super old school patriarchial cultures and their birth rates are falling even faster than the West. That's what happens when you can't even afford an apartment without a 100 year mortgage (DED SRS) and your job prospects are bleak if you can't get into a top 3 university.
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in environmental science, as nations develop, fertility rates drop
that's because people are preoccupied and working/ getting higher education, etc.
3rd world countries have high fertility rates
in 3rd world countries, they also have sex to have like workers help around and stuff, whereas in the u.s. it can become much more about leisure - due to the development of the nation
that's because people are preoccupied and working/ getting higher education, etc.
3rd world countries have high fertility rates
in 3rd world countries, they also have sex to have like workers help around and stuff, whereas in the u.s. it can become much more about leisure - due to the development of the nation
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Originally Posted By BeanGainClovis⏩
Africans aint farming bro.Think about it, you live on a farm in a 3rd world country. You need a ton of babies to work the farm and just survive. You are married off as soon as possible for this reason.
Or you live in a first world country. You have literacy, freedoms, choices. Women can work jobs and read, they aren't forced into marriages in exchange for some goats and sheep.
Women didn't choose to have babies back in the day, they were just married off and had babies without a say in the matter. Poor countries still work like this. That's why they have high fertility rates, dating isn't really a thing. Marriage is arranged and not everyone even goes to school at all.
Or you live in a first world country. You have literacy, freedoms, choices. Women can work jobs and read, they aren't forced into marriages in exchange for some goats and sheep.
Women didn't choose to have babies back in the day, they were just married off and had babies without a say in the matter. Poor countries still work like this. That's why they have high fertility rates, dating isn't really a thing. Marriage is arranged and not everyone even goes to school at all.
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Originally Posted By tnel00⏩
Harald Baldr visited some tribal area.Africans aint farming bro.
All they do is plant corn, spray insecticide, come back in a few months, smoke the corn and now they can eat for the WHOLE YEAR. There's literally only 10 days of work maximum.
What seems time consuming is maybe them herding animals to different pasture fields but again I only saw like 3 men doing that in the clip so it's implying the other village men are just phucking around at home.
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Originally Posted By CoolKnees⏩
how about you read the first thing in the article before posting garbage?How about because of a pandemic and endless lockdowns?
"Births fell for the sixth consecutive year to the lowest levels since 1979, the CDC said."
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Lol at you thinking Korea or Japan is still patriarchal, they're as cucked as the west brah.It's money.
In an ideal world, if women had the option to stay at home in a huge house and bang out 6+ kids while hubby's job-for-life paid all the bills, I bet you at least half of them would take it. But in an era where even 2 wagecuck incomes won't buy property anymore and children are a quarter-million investment each, you see people either have 2 kids max, or stay single and buy toy dogs to be child substitutes (cause why bother with marriage if human kids aren't in the cards?)
Muh feminism, muh educated women, just lol. Japan and Korea have super old school patriarchial cultures and their birth rates are falling even faster than the West. That's what happens when you can't even afford an apartment without a 100 year mortgage (DED SRS) and your job prospects are bleak if you can't get into a top 3 university.
In an ideal world, if women had the option to stay at home in a huge house and bang out 6+ kids while hubby's job-for-life paid all the bills, I bet you at least half of them would take it. But in an era where even 2 wagecuck incomes won't buy property anymore and children are a quarter-million investment each, you see people either have 2 kids max, or stay single and buy toy dogs to be child substitutes (cause why bother with marriage if human kids aren't in the cards?)
Muh feminism, muh educated women, just lol. Japan and Korea have super old school patriarchial cultures and their birth rates are falling even faster than the West. That's what happens when you can't even afford an apartment without a 100 year mortgage (DED SRS) and your job prospects are bleak if you can't get into a top 3 university.
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lmao women are riding the CC because they have been brainwashed to have a ho phase.
scrambling in their late 20's to lock down a provider but hes not the guy she really wanted..
after a couple of years she cant do it anymore and divorces him..
because being single is better than settling "slay queen"
scrambling in their late 20's to lock down a provider but hes not the guy she really wanted..
after a couple of years she cant do it anymore and divorces him..
because being single is better than settling "slay queen"
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women literally have one job in this world and its to lock down highest value male that they can and bear his children.
literally one job.
they can be a SAHM and still build a small business they dont need to be in the office pushing pencils
literally one job.
they can be a SAHM and still build a small business they dont need to be in the office pushing pencils
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they literally are saying that 300 ng/dL testosterone isnormalnow. Same with viable sperm. What was once borderline infertile is now normal. JFL, ya'll getting depopulated US brahs.
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Originally Posted By Better
Lmfao 300?!they literally are saying that 300 ng/dL testosterone isnormalnow. Same with viable sperm. What was once borderline infertile is now normal. JFL, ya'll getting depopulated US brahs.
Holy fck put every millenial and zoomer on TRT rigth now
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
just ****ing lol, the problem is, which husband is going to take 50% of the women who want to do this when they have literally nothing to offer and spent their youth shaking their asses or complaining about the patriarchy?It's money.
In an ideal world, if women had the option to stay at home in a huge house and bang out 6+ kids while hubby's job-for-life paid all the bills, I bet you at least half of them would take it.But in an era where even 2 wagecuck incomes won't buy property anymore and children are a quarter-million investment each, you see people either have 2 kids max, or stay single and buy toy dogs to be child substitutes (cause why bother with marriage if human kids aren't in the cards?)
Muh feminism, muh educated women, just lol. Japan and Korea have super old school patriarchial cultures and their birth rates are falling even faster than the West. That's what happens when you can't even afford an apartment without a 100 year mortgage (DED SRS) and your job prospects are bleak if you can't get into a top 3 university.
In an ideal world, if women had the option to stay at home in a huge house and bang out 6+ kids while hubby's job-for-life paid all the bills, I bet you at least half of them would take it.But in an era where even 2 wagecuck incomes won't buy property anymore and children are a quarter-million investment each, you see people either have 2 kids max, or stay single and buy toy dogs to be child substitutes (cause why bother with marriage if human kids aren't in the cards?)
Muh feminism, muh educated women, just lol. Japan and Korea have super old school patriarchial cultures and their birth rates are falling even faster than the West. That's what happens when you can't even afford an apartment without a 100 year mortgage (DED SRS) and your job prospects are bleak if you can't get into a top 3 university.
quality men can't find quality women. and even if they do, they pick the best of the lot. and standards for women are getting higher and higher.
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Originally Posted By DoYouEvenNEM⏩
If you were 30, this would be a legit argument. At 38, you’re past your prime. You bear some responsibility of your current fertility crisis IMO.I'm financially independent. I can afford a home and raise kids. Especially in these 2nd / 3rd world countries I am living in in the last years.
I can't get a right swipe from healthy BMI women younger than 25 on apps. I don't see women on bars. "Just go to the supermarket bro!" - literally went today and only saw Grannies and middle aged men.
This fertility crisis is 100% on women. Guys didn't change in the last 80 years but women have.
I can't get a right swipe from healthy BMI women younger than 25 on apps. I don't see women on bars. "Just go to the supermarket bro!" - literally went today and only saw Grannies and middle aged men.
This fertility crisis is 100% on women. Guys didn't change in the last 80 years but women have.
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