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post 1641089613 06-17-2021, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Azrairc⏩
Calories in / out

The other variables have zero impact on fat loss

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100% wrong
The other variables may have LITTLE impact on WEIGHT LOSS
The other variables will have a big impact on FAT LOSS

2 different things bud, calories in/out only deals with weight loss, not what that weight is comprised of.
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Im guessing bc all the protein doesnt get absorbed properly in a shorter window vs all day?

Im fasting bc i like it and its easy for me to do...i dont need or want to mess with making a bunch of meals and snacks.

But have been concerned with preserving muscle so i started trying to consume easy high protein meals...will probably stick with shakes in the morning for breakfast and lunch and stick with my typical OMAD dinner
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post 1641090563 06-17-2021, 02:18 PM
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do whatever is easiest for you to maintain the body composition you desire anything else is pointless to worry about
post 1641090843 06-17-2021, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Fozzy13⏩
Im guessing bc all the protein doesnt get absorbed properly in a shorter window vs all day?

Im fasting bc i like it and its easy for me to do...i dont need or want to mess with making a bunch of meals and snacks.

But have been concerned with preserving muscle so i started trying to consume easy high protein meals...will probably stick with shakes in the morning for breakfast and lunch and stick with my typical OMAD dinner
no its more likely the body goes a little catabolic the longer you move away from a meal BUT muscle protein synthesis is only elevated for 2-3 hours after eating so it is also likely if you eat 250g of protein in a timespan your body could only use 120g of that protein, and mps is downregulated then the extra 130g protein will likely be pushed through as waste or converted to glycogen so you would have less MPS throughout the day and greater use of the protein you eat.
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post 1641091023 06-17-2021, 02:26 PM
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The diff between the 2 groups is .6 pounds......ok.
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post 1641091503 06-17-2021, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
no its more likely the body goes a little catabolic the longer you move away from a meal BUT muscle protein synthesis is only elevated for 2-3 hours after eating so it is also likely if you eat 250g of protein in a timespan your body could only use 120g of that protein, and mps is downregulated then the extra 130g protein will likely be pushed through as waste or converted to glycogen so you would have less MPS throughout the day and greater use of the protein you eat.
So you’re saying I’m goofing by eating breakfast at 11am instead of 8am? My body is used to IF now, only reason I do it.

Also, I’m up to 180-200g of protein a day, but 70+ of that is from ON whey protein. One with water around noon and two scoops after dinner with berries, milk, chia seeds, some gay green powder. Too much whey in a day?
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post 1641092233 06-17-2021, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Lots of small meals are good but think about it this way: let's say 6 meals with 40g protein each is good. Then why isn't 12 meals meals with 40 protein even better?

After a certain point, you're either wasting the protein or making yourself fatter. The guy you're responding to is on a pharmacy's worth of illegal drugs (despite being a cop LOL). In his case, more meals is a better because if he needs 500g of protein, that's not going to work in 1-2 big meals. In your case assuming drug free, you don't need 6 meals to get in all your protein for the day.
This. People on this forum are building 5 lbs of lean mass at the absolute most per year, they dont need perfectly spaced portions of 40 grams of protein every 3 hours to maximize anything.


Ive never looked or felt better than doing IF tbh, and actually, its the easiest diet regime ive ever had to follow. In fact, even when im lazy as fuk and eating everything in sight, i do fasting, and i dont end up like a lardass after a month or two of eating crap. One or 2 weeks of calorie deficit and im right back where i left
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post 1641092483 06-17-2021, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
This. People on this forum are building 5 lbs of lean mass at the absolute most per year, they dont need perfectly spaced portions of 40 grams of protein every 3 hours to maximize anything.


Ive never looked or felt better than doing IF tbh, and actually, its the easiest diet regime ive ever had to follow. In fact, even when im lazy as fuk and eating everything in sight, i do fasting, and i dont end up like a lardass after a month or two of eating crap. One or 2 weeks of calorie deficit and im right back where i left
Please see the headline making study and resume eating breakfast cereal.

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post 1641092893 06-17-2021, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Lots of small meals are good but think about it this way: let's say 6 meals with 40g protein each is good. Then why isn't 12 meals meals with 40 protein even better? After a certain point, you're either wasting the protein or making yourself fatter.

Also, the guy you're responding to is on a pharmacy's worth of illegal drugs (despite being a cop, LOL). In his case, more meals is a better because if he needs 500g of protein, that's not going to work in 1-2 big meals. In your case assuming drug free, you don't need 6 meals to get in all your protein for the day.
I eat breakfast noon (50 grams of protein), lunch 2ish (30-40), and dinner 6-7 (30-40) and then have a smoothie before bed 8ish with (50-60)

So 4 meals a day. Guess I just gotta keep trusting the mirror and stop overthinking this sh!t
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post 1641093423 06-17-2021, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Droopdx⏩
So you’re saying I’m goofing by eating breakfast at 11am instead of 8am? My body is used to IF now, only reason I do it.

Also, I’m up to 180-200g of protein a day, but 70+ of that is from ON whey protein. One with water around noon and two scoops after dinner with berries, milk, chia seeds, some gay green powder. Too much whey in a day?
its more about how much you are spacing your protein out and how much your body can absorb in that given time. If you are having 50g every 2 hours in that window then its probably still at good enough levels to not notice a difference, but if you are say trying to eat that 200g protein between 11am and 4pm you probably arent utilizing that protein to its fullest potential.
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post 1641093443 06-17-2021, 03:03 PM
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Isn't the point of intermittent fasting to control hunger and regulate energy throughout the day, not for weight loss? I feel like a lethargic chit if I eat 3 meals a day. If I eat breakfast especially, it's game over for the rest of the day.
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if you're doing fasting purely for fat loss, you're just doing it wrong mate
true OG's of fasting know it's true power is in making you live longer
it's not good for weight loss over time, but a good way to eat and maintain if you like eating like a pig once a day like me
post 1641093653 06-17-2021, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By monster0ultra⏩
Lots of small meals are good but think about it this way: let's say 6 meals with 40g protein each is good. Then why isn't 12 meals meals with 40 protein even better? After a certain point, you're either wasting the protein or making yourself fatter.

Also, the guy you're responding to is on a pharmacy's worth of illegal drugs (despite being a cop, LOL). In his case, more meals is a better because if he needs 500g of protein, that's not going to work in 1-2 big meals. In your case assuming drug free, you don't need 6 meals to get in all your protein for the day.
like I said in my previous reply its about fitting total protein needs in within the time frame the body will utilize that protein for MPS. If your body can metabolize 10 meals of protein and has a higher MPS total because of that then yes that is better than 4 meals where you arent metabolizing all that protein for MPS.

Also idk why you keep bringing up the cop thing, anyone and everyone can use things like transcend now to get a legal MD script for HRT via tele health almost instantly.
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Originally Posted By trufflepigg⏩
if you're doing fasting purely for fat loss, you're just doing it wrong mate
true OG's of fasting know it's true power is in making you live longer
it's not good for weight loss over time, but a good way to eat and maintain if you like eating like a pig once a day like me
Fasting would produce the fastest possible weight loss vs any other regimen.
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Originally Posted By DizzySmalls⏩
Fasting would produce the fastest possible weight loss vs any other regimen.
not necessarily true , lowest calories in and most calories out ratio produces best WEIGHT loss period, doesnt matter how its done, but how its done determines how much your body uses amino acids, fatty acids, or glycogen for energy and that all depends on meal timing, macronutrients, body compesition, and metabolism.
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post 1641094943 06-17-2021, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
not necessarily true , lowest calories in and most calories out ratio produces best WEIGHT loss period, doesnt matter how its done, but how its done determines how much your body uses amino acids, fatty acids, or glycogen for energy and that all depends on meal timing, macronutrients, body compesition, and metabolism.
You could eat nothing until you died of starvation. There is no faster weight loss methodology than 0 intake.

On this board, optimal weight loss would be a concern because of athletic goals and people looking to optimize their bodies. For weight loss in the context of society, it's mostly people over 30% bodyfat who barely have any muscle to lose. Most lean losses for them are not even muscle
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Calories in vs calories out is all that matters when it comes to gaining or losing weight. Macros are important for performance, and aesthetics.
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Originally Posted By Evolutionary1⏩
Let's do things the dumbest way possible and wonder why it doesn't work.

You have to fast everyday to get the benefits
lol pretty much this.
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ah nice. an actual lifting thread on the misc! I've always had my best results with calories in, calories out. But only if I'm being active and keep the metabolism up. 34 now, and still work at calories in, calories out. But gotta pay more attention to my diet so that my hormones aren't all jacked up. Back in my 20s, no sleep, partying and lifting seemed to be all I needed.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
100% wrong
The other variables may have LITTLE impact on WEIGHT LOSS
The other variables will have a big impact on FAT LOSS

2 different things bud, calories in/out only deals with weight loss, not what that weight is comprised of.
Ok if you want to believe good for you. I don’t give a **** about what some small guy who looks like chit thinks
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Originally Posted By lnvictus⏩
If that was true why did our ancestors not die of things like cancer or obesity?
They didn't have processed foods/chemicals that are in our foods now. Read the label on your food. Between flavor enhancers, preservatives, random chemicals, etc. Its all crap man.



Pretty sure our early ancestors just ate whenever they had food to eat. Those in hunter/gatherer societies typically graze throughout the day/all day long on whatever they found. And in later years people ate about 3 meals per day as a rule.

From what I've been able to figure out seems like a medium size breakfast to fuel the day. A light lunch or snack mid- day. And a big meal in the evening/for supper. Which is what our grand grandpa's and grandfathers did.
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Originally Posted By lnvictus⏩
If that was true why did our ancestors not die of things like cancer or obesity?
Because they didn't eat a ton of food and our ancestors sure did die of cancer. Well, those that lived long enough did.
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
They didn't have processed foods/chemicals that are in our foods now. Read the label on your food. Between flavor enhancers, preservatives, random chemicals, etc. Its all crap man.



Pretty sure our early ancestors just ate whenever they had food to eat. Those in hunter/gatherer societies typically graze throughout the day/all day long on whatever they found. And in later years people ate about 3 meals per day as a rule.

From what I've been able to figure out seems like a medium size breakfast to fuel the day. A light lunch or snack mid- day. And a big meal in the evening/for supper. Which is what our grand grandpa's and grandfathers did.
people also didnt live as long, the majority of heart attacks and cancer come from older age populations, not nearly that many <40, which not many people lives to be 40 100s of years ago.
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