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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
The soviets left behind a ton of material, hence arming the civil war that immediately followed. You know, the one that led the country to the sht hole that allowed the Taliban to rise in the first place.You made the claim and provided zero evidence, the burden is on you. Your yardstick is 523 Russians killedby the end of the withdrawal. We'll see how it works out for the US citizens left behind by this administration.
How many billions of dollars in materiel did the Soviets leave behind?
How many billions of dollars in materiel did the Soviets leave behind?
523 is soldiers btw. We lost 13. I have no idea how many Soviet civilians were there.
It's called the "graveyard of Empires" for a reason. This was never going to be easy, particularly after Trump surrendered to the Taliban. I notice you ignored that.
Why did Trump set loose 5,000 Taliban veterans and leadership at the end of his Presidency? What he got was a ceasefire. Thus the Taliban built its position while we could do basically nothing. Maybe ... you know just maybe ... that made it a little harder to get out clean? If you care about this for this, and aren't just using it as a partisan gotcha moment, you better be pretty fcking critical of Trump too.
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
Trump set loose 5,000 Taliban veterans and leadership at the end of his Presidency.it couldve gone worse really is the biggest retarded take of all time. marines dead? check. taliban with all our weapons and armor? check. americans stranded? check.
08-31-2021, 06:34 PM
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Should we have been there to start with? Probably not.
Did this administration put us there? No.
That doesn't remove responsibility for an organized withdrawal.
Can someone tell me-
If we were making a planned withdrawal with a set last day in country why the hell weren't the civilians evacuated FIRST???
If we had assets there that needed to be evacuated but were not cleared yet to come to the US why couldn't they be temporarily relocated outside of Afghanistan?
I understand that the civilians weren't under compulsion to leave and could not be force to leave, but if they were at least informed in person and told "leave at this time or sign here to signify that by staying you are risking your life and property as this country may fall to extremists" at least you could say they knew and they had the chance to leave safely.
All I have read is that they knew about the withdrawal date, but nothing about an organized effort to evacuate citizens prior to closing down US military operations.
The only legit exception I can think of would be staff of the consulate we had there. For them I can understand only leaving once it was known that the country had fallen and the consulate would be closed.
Did this administration put us there? No.
That doesn't remove responsibility for an organized withdrawal.
Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
How many Russian citizens did they leave behind exactly? How many billions in military equipment did they provide their enemy on withdrawal?
The overall war was worse for the Soviets but if you're going to say their withdrawal was worse, you need to back it up. I'm having trouble imagining a more grotesque cluster**** than the one to which the current administration has led us.
The overall war was worse for the Soviets but if you're going to say their withdrawal was worse, you need to back it up. I'm having trouble imagining a more grotesque cluster**** than the one to which the current administration has led us.
Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
It definitely looked like a hot mess from the cheap seats.Not really, this is pretty close to peak chitshow. 600,000 guns + ammo left before we even get to vehicles... Talis troll-lol-lolling with their new toys all over the show right now.
Can someone tell me-
If we were making a planned withdrawal with a set last day in country why the hell weren't the civilians evacuated FIRST???
If we had assets there that needed to be evacuated but were not cleared yet to come to the US why couldn't they be temporarily relocated outside of Afghanistan?
I understand that the civilians weren't under compulsion to leave and could not be force to leave, but if they were at least informed in person and told "leave at this time or sign here to signify that by staying you are risking your life and property as this country may fall to extremists" at least you could say they knew and they had the chance to leave safely.
All I have read is that they knew about the withdrawal date, but nothing about an organized effort to evacuate citizens prior to closing down US military operations.
The only legit exception I can think of would be staff of the consulate we had there. For them I can understand only leaving once it was known that the country had fallen and the consulate would be closed.
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
I agree the exit was botched but I also agree with this sentiment.20 years of wasting time/lives/money ($300 million a DAY), and now they wanna protest now that we're finally OUT of that shthole?
fking lol
shoulda marched to get outta there 10+ years ago
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shoulda marched to get outta there 10+ years ago
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08-31-2021, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted By thadderbox⏩
I doubt it.Jan 6th all over again!!!!!!
IIRC last time people were let in to the buildings by staff or some such and mostly I think one followed another one as people often do.
After seeing the job loss and criminal prosecution of people who did that I think people will stay outside.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Oh no I was trolling, but you know the left would want to compare it to that.I doubt it.
IIRC last time people were let in to the buildings by staff or some such and mostly I think one followed another one as people often do.
After seeing the job loss and criminal prosecution of people who did that I think people will stay outside.
IIRC last time people were let in to the buildings by staff or some such and mostly I think one followed another one as people often do.
After seeing the job loss and criminal prosecution of people who did that I think people will stay outside.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Dodging the question still. How much?The soviets left behind a ton of material, hence arming the civil war that immediately followed. You know, the one that led the country to the sht hole that allowed the Taliban to rise in the first place.
523 is soldiers btw. We lost 13. I have no idea how many Soviet civilians were there.
It's called the "graveyard of Empires" for a reason. This was never going to be easy, particularly after Trump surrendered to the Taliban. I notice you ignored that.
Why did Trump set loose 5,000 Taliban veterans and leadership at the end of his Presidency? What he got was a ceasefire. Thus the Taliban built its position while we could do basically nothing. Maybe ... you know just maybe ... that made it a little harder to get out clean? If you care about this for this, and aren't just using it as a partisan gotcha moment, you better be pretty fcking critical of Trump too.
523 is soldiers btw. We lost 13. I have no idea how many Soviet civilians were there.
It's called the "graveyard of Empires" for a reason. This was never going to be easy, particularly after Trump surrendered to the Taliban. I notice you ignored that.
Why did Trump set loose 5,000 Taliban veterans and leadership at the end of his Presidency? What he got was a ceasefire. Thus the Taliban built its position while we could do basically nothing. Maybe ... you know just maybe ... that made it a little harder to get out clean? If you care about this for this, and aren't just using it as a partisan gotcha moment, you better be pretty fcking critical of Trump too.
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I only support defensive war, for the reasons outlined below.
Americans need to:
1 - engage in war less often
2 - re-gain the stomach for brutality
drop these terms: nation-build, hearts & minds, liberate, surgical, drone, collateral
use these terms: exterminate, reduce to zero, sarin gas, moab, brutal
imo war should be about population reduction and extermination until complete surrender (only allow surrender after a baseline extermination/reduction has been achieved).
how can you be attacked from a region if the population of the region is Zero?
Effect of Population Reduction
Before war:
Region A - population 419,000
Region A - attacks originating from, 246
After:
Region A - population 0
Region A - attacks originating from, 0 <------- Note the region is no longer producing attacks
Modulation
Perhaps there is an equilibrium above 0 population in which the attacks drop to zero, for example,
After:
Region A - population 64,000
Region A - attacks originating from, ~0
At that point, population reduction will have solved the problem and further war is no longer necessary.
Americans need to:
1 - engage in war less often
2 - re-gain the stomach for brutality
drop these terms: nation-build, hearts & minds, liberate, surgical, drone, collateral
use these terms: exterminate, reduce to zero, sarin gas, moab, brutal
imo war should be about population reduction and extermination until complete surrender (only allow surrender after a baseline extermination/reduction has been achieved).
how can you be attacked from a region if the population of the region is Zero?
Effect of Population Reduction
Before war:
Region A - population 419,000
Region A - attacks originating from, 246
After:
Region A - population 0
Region A - attacks originating from, 0 <------- Note the region is no longer producing attacks
Modulation
Perhaps there is an equilibrium above 0 population in which the attacks drop to zero, for example,
After:
Region A - population 64,000
Region A - attacks originating from, ~0
At that point, population reduction will have solved the problem and further war is no longer necessary.
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Originally Posted By surf
Brighter than the sunI only support defensive war, for the reasons outlined below.
Americans need to:
1 - engage in war less often
2 - re-gain the stomach for brutality
drop these terms: nation-build, hearts & minds, liberate, surgical, drone, collateral
use these terms: exterminate, reduce to zero, sarin gas, moab, brutal
imo war should be about population reduction and extermination until complete surrender (only allow surrender after a baseline extermination/reduction has been achieved).
how can you be attacked from a region if the population of the region is Zero?
Effect of Population Reduction
Before war:
Region A - population 419,000
Region A - attacks originating from, 246
After:
Region A - population 0
Region A - attacks originating from, 0 <------- Note the region is no longer producing attacks
Modulation
Perhaps there is an equilibrium above 0 population in which the attacks drop to zero, for example,
After:
Region A - population 64,000
Region A - attacks originating from, ~0
At that point, population reduction will have solved the problem and further war is no longer necessary.
Americans need to:
1 - engage in war less often
2 - re-gain the stomach for brutality
drop these terms: nation-build, hearts & minds, liberate, surgical, drone, collateral
use these terms: exterminate, reduce to zero, sarin gas, moab, brutal
imo war should be about population reduction and extermination until complete surrender (only allow surrender after a baseline extermination/reduction has been achieved).
how can you be attacked from a region if the population of the region is Zero?
Effect of Population Reduction
Before war:
Region A - population 419,000
Region A - attacks originating from, 246
After:
Region A - population 0
Region A - attacks originating from, 0 <------- Note the region is no longer producing attacks
Modulation
Perhaps there is an equilibrium above 0 population in which the attacks drop to zero, for example,
After:
Region A - population 64,000
Region A - attacks originating from, ~0
At that point, population reduction will have solved the problem and further war is no longer necessary.
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You can applaud Biden for finally puling us out of there, but also criticize the way he did it...
Same thing with Trump... you can applaud him for laying the ground work for the withdrawal which still would have happened under his watch (Biden just didn't reverse it), but still criticize him letting out Taliban prisoners.
Same thing with Trump... you can applaud him for laying the ground work for the withdrawal which still would have happened under his watch (Biden just didn't reverse it), but still criticize him letting out Taliban prisoners.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
It was a trade. Their people for ours.The soviets left behind a ton of material, hence arming the civil war that immediately followed. You know, the one that led the country to the sht hole that allowed the Taliban to rise in the first place.
523 is soldiers btw. We lost 13. I have no idea how many Soviet civilians were there.
It's called the "graveyard of Empires" for a reason. This was never going to be easy, particularly after Trump surrendered to the Taliban. I notice you ignored that.
Why did Trump set loose 5,000 Taliban veterans and leadership at the end of his Presidency? What he got was a ceasefire. Thus the Taliban built its position while we could do basically nothing. Maybe ... you know just maybe ... that made it a little harder to get out clean? If you care about this for this, and aren't just using it as a partisan gotcha moment, you better be pretty fcking critical of Trump too.
523 is soldiers btw. We lost 13. I have no idea how many Soviet civilians were there.
It's called the "graveyard of Empires" for a reason. This was never going to be easy, particularly after Trump surrendered to the Taliban. I notice you ignored that.
Why did Trump set loose 5,000 Taliban veterans and leadership at the end of his Presidency? What he got was a ceasefire. Thus the Taliban built its position while we could do basically nothing. Maybe ... you know just maybe ... that made it a little harder to get out clean? If you care about this for this, and aren't just using it as a partisan gotcha moment, you better be pretty fcking critical of Trump too.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
agreed.You can applaud Biden for finally puling us out of there, but also criticize the way he did it...
Same thing with Trump... you can applaud him for laying the ground work for the withdrawal which still would have happened under his watch (Biden just didn't reverse it), but still criticize him letting out Taliban prisoners.
Same thing with Trump... you can applaud him for laying the ground work for the withdrawal which still would have happened under his watch (Biden just didn't reverse it), but still criticize him letting out Taliban prisoners.
the corrupt/senseless conflict had to end one way or the other, and it was never going to be a pretty ending. I think the Biden admin deserves criticism for running the evacuation out of Kabul Airport instead of Bagram air base.
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People fuking wasting their time and effort on some useless issue and country.
Move the fuk on, deal with the things that matter. Stop trying to make everything a crusade, this is exactly why the right is in the mess that it's in, and the liberal cucks are taking over.
Move the fuk on, deal with the things that matter. Stop trying to make everything a crusade, this is exactly why the right is in the mess that it's in, and the liberal cucks are taking over.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Gotta go as Far as the Korean war, Vietnam war to ask that Question... we wanted to wipe out Communisms world wide.Should we have been there to start with? Probably not.
Did this administration put us there? No.
That doesn't remove responsibility for an organized withdrawal.
It definitely looked like a hot mess from the cheap seats.
Can someone tell me-
If we were making a planned withdrawal with a set last day in country why the hell weren't the civilians evacuated FIRST???
If we had assets there that needed to be evacuated but were not cleared yet to come to the US why couldn't they be temporarily relocated outside of Afghanistan?
I understand that the civilians weren't under compulsion to leave and could not be force to leave, but if they were at least informed in person and told "leave at this time or sign here to signify that by staying you are risking your life and property as this country may fall to extremists" at least you could say they knew and they had the chance to leave safely.
All I have read is that they knew about the withdrawal date, but nothing about an organized effort to evacuate citizens prior to closing down US military operations.
The only legit exception I can think of would be staff of the consulate we had there. For them I can understand only leaving once it was known that the country had fallen and the consulate would be closed.
Did this administration put us there? No.
That doesn't remove responsibility for an organized withdrawal.
It definitely looked like a hot mess from the cheap seats.
Can someone tell me-
If we were making a planned withdrawal with a set last day in country why the hell weren't the civilians evacuated FIRST???
If we had assets there that needed to be evacuated but were not cleared yet to come to the US why couldn't they be temporarily relocated outside of Afghanistan?
I understand that the civilians weren't under compulsion to leave and could not be force to leave, but if they were at least informed in person and told "leave at this time or sign here to signify that by staying you are risking your life and property as this country may fall to extremists" at least you could say they knew and they had the chance to leave safely.
All I have read is that they knew about the withdrawal date, but nothing about an organized effort to evacuate citizens prior to closing down US military operations.
The only legit exception I can think of would be staff of the consulate we had there. For them I can understand only leaving once it was known that the country had fallen and the consulate would be closed.
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Originally Posted By surf
All the countries that would unite and bomb USA back to the stone age if this happened aside, how are you going to nuke Afghanistan into 0 population? Half the Taliban are hiding in the mountains, where if you wanted to flatten the mountains, it would literally cause a nuclear winter for years all across the globe. The other half are hiding in the mountains of Pakistan, where even if you engage and nuke, would pretty much mean the end of the world from a new ice age.imo war should be about population reduction and extermination until complete surrender (only allow surrender after a baseline extermination/reduction has been achieved).
You can send soldiers up the mountains, which is what they did, but they still managed to form a full army, come down from the mountains and retake the whole country.
It doesn't matter which country, as long as there are mountains and forests, people will hide there, and come down to kill their invaders when they get the chance. Afghanistan is literally a country of mountains.
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Originally Posted By Kewbrah⏩
Now imagine if that money had gone back into the country to actually pay for things that benefit us.Less than a dollar a day per American.
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Originally Posted By KBurn⏩
Pretty much this. You can conquer cities and infrastructure but you can only conquer a people if you use the Genghis Khan method.All the countries that would unite and bomb USA back to the stone age if this happened aside, how are you going to nuke Afghanistan into 0 population? Half the Taliban are hiding in the mountains, where if you wanted to flatten the mountains, it would literally cause a nuclear winter for years all across the globe. The other half are hiding in the mountains of Pakistan, where even if you engage and nuke, would pretty much mean the end of the world from a new ice age.
You can send soldiers up the mountains, which is what they did, but they still managed to form a full army, come down from the mountains and retake the whole country.
It doesn't matter which country, as long as there are mountains and forests, people will hide there, and come down to kill their invaders when they get the chance. Afghanistan is literally a country of mountains.
You can send soldiers up the mountains, which is what they did, but they still managed to form a full army, come down from the mountains and retake the whole country.
It doesn't matter which country, as long as there are mountains and forests, people will hide there, and come down to kill their invaders when they get the chance. Afghanistan is literally a country of mountains.
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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Afghanistan was never going to work for us since day 1. We only went over there because the US is cucked by fake-news media convincing them we needed to find WMDs that didn't exist.
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Originally Posted By BrianDaMan⏩
but what was the Tea Party and shutting down the government to force spending cuts?this. no protests when the government has been spending $300 million A DAY of your money for 20 fukking years...
...but NOW you're gonna protest because government finally pulled out. give me a break.
...but NOW you're gonna protest because government finally pulled out. give me a break.
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?I’m just glad we are out of that ****hole. **** Afghans we gave them 20 years of training and equipment etc and TRILLIONS of dollars and thousands of American lives and they didn’t do **** to protect themselves. If they don’t give a **** about fighting the taliban then why should we?
They obviously don’t care about being led by them and didn’t want us there in the first place. I give 0 ****s about that mountainous ****hole of a country at this point.
They obviously don’t care about being led by them and didn’t want us there in the first place. I give 0 ****s about that mountainous ****hole of a country at this point.
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