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Karma is not necessarily actions that happen to you in the world. It will more often be more obvious in your mental state. When you lie, cheat, steal, etc, it causes you immense mental suffering. Your mind will be very stimulated with story, guilt, fear, anxiety, etc. It will be the opposite of peace. You might not even see the suffering your mind causes you if you don't have enough mindfulness. It's truly sad how many people go through life without being aware of their own thoughts and mental states. They live in their story, and are completely at the whim of the world and their out of control minds, with no free will at all. This is why we practice stillness, quietness, and meditation.
If we sit still, we learn to see what actions and words cause us suffering. This is how we see karma.
If we sit still, we learn to see what actions and words cause us suffering. This is how we see karma.
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Originally Posted By II
This brah knows wassup - 100% on the money with this post.Karma is not necessarily actions that happen to you in the world. It will more often be more obvious in your mental state. When you lie, cheat, steal, etc, it causes you immense mental suffering. Your mind will be very stimulated with story, guilt, fear, anxiety, etc. It will be the opposite of peace. You might not even see the suffering your mind causes you if you don't have enough mindfulness. It's truly sad how many people go through life without being aware of their own thoughts and mental states. They live in their story, and are completely at the whim of the world and their out of control minds, with no free will at all. This is why we practice stillness, quietness, and meditation.
If we sit still, we learn to see what actions and words cause us suffering. This is how we see karma.
If we sit still, we learn to see what actions and words cause us suffering. This is how we see karma.
This is the most obvious way to prove that karma is real.
In my experience however, there is a metaphysical aspect to karma as well.
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You guys are just wrongly using the word karma to describe other situations or things that already have an actual name or term.
With that logic, then yeah of course it exists, if I’m going to interpret the word karma
In a way that allows me to fit it in anything I want.
Let’s try to not be disingenuous and first let’s clarify what meaning of the word ‘karma’ we are focusing on. It’s a magical force that keeps a score of good or bad deeds people do and redirects that same energy towards them… which of course it’s bull****.
With that logic, then yeah of course it exists, if I’m going to interpret the word karma
In a way that allows me to fit it in anything I want.
Let’s try to not be disingenuous and first let’s clarify what meaning of the word ‘karma’ we are focusing on. It’s a magical force that keeps a score of good or bad deeds people do and redirects that same energy towards them… which of course it’s bull****.
"The flowers bloom, then wither... The stars shine and one day become extinct. This earth, the sun, the galaxies and even the big universe, someday will be destroyed. Compared with that, the human life is only a blink, just a little time. In that short time - people are born, laugh, cry, fight, are injured, feel joy, sadness, hate someone, love someone. All in just a moment. And then, are embraced by the eternal sleep called death."
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
Yea, straight out of the dhammapadda is this quote:This brah knows wassup - 100% on the money with this post.
This is the most obvious way to prove that karma is real.
In my experience however, there is a metaphysical aspect to karma as well.
This is the most obvious way to prove that karma is real.
In my experience however, there is a metaphysical aspect to karma as well.
"If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage…"
Another version:
“Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Suffering follows an evil thought as the wheels of a cart follow the oxen that draws it.
Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Joy follows a pure thought like a shadow that never leaves.”
And for sure it keeps manifesting in the world. If your mind has this pain, you are much more likely to act or speak in ways that continue to harm others. You end up in terrible situations, and boom now you have "real world" karma.
No one who is just walking down the street gets randomly arrested and put in jail for life for absolutely nothing. 99.999% of the time if you end up with a life sentence in jail, it's because you spent your whole life gradually making worse and worse choices without the awareness of the pain you were causing yourself and others.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the metaphysical manifestations of karma are?
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Originally Posted By PectoralBrah⏩
Were you a heartless sociopath in your past life and is this why you're 5'6'' in this life?Karma is a measurement of moral behavior across multiple lives you stupid fuk. The heartless sociopaths will get what's coming to them. It may not be this life, but they'll get theirs.
10-08-2021, 01:35 AM
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Yeah they're just redefining karma into something else that isn't karma. Let's not start redefining words to mean whatever you want because then no one will know what anyone is talking about. The idea of karma, with its actual definition, is absurdYou guys are just wrongly using the word karma to describe other situations or things that already have an actual name or term.
With that logic, then yeah of course it exists, if I’m going to interpret the word karma
In a way that allows me to fit it in anything I want.
Let’s try to not be disingenuous and first let’s clarify what meaning of the word ‘karma’ we are focusing on. It’s a magical force that keeps a score of good or bad deeds people do and redirects that same energy towards them… which of course it’s bull****.
With that logic, then yeah of course it exists, if I’m going to interpret the word karma
In a way that allows me to fit it in anything I want.
Let’s try to not be disingenuous and first let’s clarify what meaning of the word ‘karma’ we are focusing on. It’s a magical force that keeps a score of good or bad deeds people do and redirects that same energy towards them… which of course it’s bull****.
10-08-2021, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
No - its the West that has raped the word, the same as yoga, which basicly means excersize/stretching while the real meaning is union.You guys are just wrongly using the word karma to describe other situations or things that already have an actual name or term.
10-08-2021, 02:52 AM
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I know karma as 'what goes around comes around'. If you are a good person who does good deeds then other good people will be your social network.Yeah they're just redefining karma into something else that isn't karma. Let's not start redefining words to mean whatever you want because then no one will know what anyone is talking about. The idea of karma, with its actual definition, is absurd
If your are a schit kunt who throws stones, other people will throw stones and schit back at you.
What is the actual definition of karma?
Damn
10-08-2021, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted By II
You're preaching too the choir my friend - wish i had the inner experience to apply this knowledge to my life sooner.Yea, straight out of the dhammapadda is this quote:
"If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage…"
Another version:
“Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Suffering follows an evil thought as the wheels of a cart follow the oxen that draws it.
Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Joy follows a pure thought like a shadow that never leaves.”
And for sure it keeps manifesting in the world. If your mind has this pain, you are much more likely to act or speak in ways that continue to harm others. You end up in terrible situations, and boom now you have "real world" karma.
No one who is just walking down the street gets randomly arrested and put in jail for life for absolutely nothing. 99.999% of the time if you end up with a life sentence in jail, it's because you spent your whole life gradually making worse and worse choices without the awareness of the pain you were causing yourself and others.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the metaphysical manifestations of karma are?
"If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage…"
Another version:
“Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Suffering follows an evil thought as the wheels of a cart follow the oxen that draws it.
Our life is shaped by our mind; we become what we think. Joy follows a pure thought like a shadow that never leaves.”
And for sure it keeps manifesting in the world. If your mind has this pain, you are much more likely to act or speak in ways that continue to harm others. You end up in terrible situations, and boom now you have "real world" karma.
No one who is just walking down the street gets randomly arrested and put in jail for life for absolutely nothing. 99.999% of the time if you end up with a life sentence in jail, it's because you spent your whole life gradually making worse and worse choices without the awareness of the pain you were causing yourself and others.
I'm curious what your thoughts on the metaphysical manifestations of karma are?
Originally Posted By Tyn⏩
My understanding is that Karma means action, or in hermetic terms, it is the principle of cause and effect primarily, and then the principle of vibration, correspondence, and others.No - its the West that has raped the word, the same as yoga, which basicly means excersize/stretching while the real meaning is union.
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Here's a hypothetical example of karma that is simple enough for anyone to grasp. Imagine there was a group of people, 4 men, 1 woman. The 4 men were the brothers of said woman. If you walk up and punch said woman in the face, are you dumb enough to believe the 4 men wouldn't beat you? Karma.
I've seen karma manifest almost immediately in stranger ways than this BTW.
I've seen karma manifest almost immediately in stranger ways than this BTW.
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Originally Posted By l2ambo⏩
And what if that one guy had a gun and killed them all? I guess that was just karma for the other people.Here's a hypothetical example of karma that is simple enough for anyone to grasp. Imagine there was a group of people, 4 men, 1 woman. The 4 men were the brothers of said woman. If you walk up and punch said woman in the face, are you dumb enough to believe the 4 men wouldn't beat you? Karma.
I've seen karma manifest almost immediately in stranger ways than this BTW.
I've seen karma manifest almost immediately in stranger ways than this BTW.
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Originally Posted By l2ambo⏩
That's not really karma, it's more so the law of vibration and correspondence.Here's a hypothetical example of karma that is simple enough for anyone to grasp. Imagine there was a group of people, 4 men, 1 woman. The 4 men were the brothers of said woman. If you walk up and punch said woman in the face, are you dumb enough to believe the 4 men wouldn't beat you? Karma.
Karma is basically just how your life is affected by the intention that you have before you do anything like mentally or physically.
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I had an epiphany once that karma is a moral balancing algorithm put in place by the simulation creator. The initial bad deed can be corrected if the AI is aware enough to stop the cycle. The only flaw is that the AI, (humans) in the simulation are too dumb to realize that eye for an eye makes the world blind so we just keep paying bad deeds forward until we eventually kill ourselves. I wonder how many times this simulation has been played out and failed. hmm...... If everyone was just more self aware and thought about the negative repercussions of their actions, we'd be living in a utopia. Instead, most people today are ego maniacs that let the idea of who they are completely control them. This idea/collection of ideas or "illusory self", has become the default identity. When someone opposes an idea these ego maniacs hold, they feel attacked, even feel as if their life is at stake because to them it is. The ideas have become the life. kill the idea, you kill them. Instead, if they observed their thoughts, and looked at them objectively, they'd find that most of their opinions are false. Slowly, they can deconstruct their ego through this process until eventually they become just a being that has a brain to solve problems but not create an identity with the problem solving tool. "A name that becomes a name is not the immortal name" ` lao tzu
Too bad most people are too stupid to realize that this process is the next step in our evolution.
This is also why monks are slaughtered. The true "woke" are the threat to the maniacs in power.
Too bad most people are too stupid to realize that this process is the next step in our evolution.
This is also why monks are slaughtered. The true "woke" are the threat to the maniacs in power.
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Originally Posted By l2ambo⏩
You're tuning into an idea and interpreting it via the whole 'simulation theory' via your logical mind, because it fits your belief system.I had an epiphany once that karma is a moral balancing algorithm put in place by the simulation creator. The only flaw is that the AI, (humans) in the simulation are too dumb to realize that eye for an eye makes the world blind so we just keep paying bad deeds forward until we eventually kill ourselves. I wonder how many times this simulation has been played out and failed. hmm...... If everyone was just more self aware and thought about the negative repercussions of their actions, we'd be living in a utopia. Instead, most people today are ego maniacs that let the idea of who they are completely control them. This idea/collection of ideas or "illusory self", has become the default identity. When someone opposes an idea these ego maniacs hold, they feel attacked, even feel as if their life is at stake because to them it is. The ideas have become the life. kill the idea, you kill them. Instead, if they observed their thoughts, and looked at them objectively, they'd find that most of their opinions are false. Slowly, they can deconstruct their ego through this process until eventually they become just a being that has a brain to solve problems but not create an identity with the problem solving tool. "A name that becomes a name is not the immortal name" ` lao tzu
Too bad most people are too stupid to realize that this process is the next step in our evolution.
This is also why monks are slaughtered. The true "woke" are the threat to the maniacs in power.
Too bad most people are too stupid to realize that this process is the next step in our evolution.
This is also why monks are slaughtered. The true "woke" are the threat to the maniacs in power.
This is basically what the 'spiritual teachings' are trying to explain to people - you've just said it in more scientifically valid terms.
It gets a bit more complicated thought because most of your thoughts and beliefs are actually subconscious or unconscious, so that's why we can't just change them that easily.
Like for example if i told you that you are actually the creator of the created and you are also the created - that deep down you actually want the life you currently live, that is every single aspect of it is your own subconscious choice - would you believe me?
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
Yes, I would. Sometimes I actually think that my cynical and pessimistic thoughts have somehow created the world I see around me. I don't latch onto this idea as true but just another idea to be examined and explored.You're tuning into an idea and interpreting it via the whole 'simulation theory' via your logical mind, because it fits your belief system.
This is basically what the 'spiritual teachings' are trying to explain to people - you've just said it in more scientifically valid terms.
It gets a bit more complicated thought because most of your thoughts and beliefs are actually subconscious or unconscious, so that's why we can't just change them that easily.
Like for example if i told you that you are actually the creator of the created and you are also the created - that deep down you actually want the life you currently live, that is every single aspect of it is your own subconscious choice - would you believe me?
This is basically what the 'spiritual teachings' are trying to explain to people - you've just said it in more scientifically valid terms.
It gets a bit more complicated thought because most of your thoughts and beliefs are actually subconscious or unconscious, so that's why we can't just change them that easily.
Like for example if i told you that you are actually the creator of the created and you are also the created - that deep down you actually want the life you currently live, that is every single aspect of it is your own subconscious choice - would you believe me?
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Originally Posted By l2ambo⏩
Well that's sort of true.Yes, I would. Sometimes I actually think that my cynical and pessimistic thoughts have somehow created the world I see around me. I don't latch onto this idea as true but just another idea to be examined and explored.
You see your thoughts are not really your own, they are just thoughts common to the mind of mankind, which you're entertaining for whatever reason.
These thoughts carry vibrations and attract situations in your life which confirm your thoughts and beliefs.
So it's sort of like an illusion being created in front of you, and due to the way that the belief system works, you can't really escape it.
Easiest way to explain it is like if you've ever went from happy to depressed and noticed how the world goes from bright to gloomy, so it's like perception dictates reality, etc.
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how do you know this experience of being human isn't part of something bigger, where karma will continue to follow?
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
When I take Psychedelics or hear other peoples experience with Psychedelics . I begin to think that we are all the same consciousness and maybe I am just one thread or core in a cpu that has 7 billion threads. Each thread is a separate processing unit but part of the whole CPU. Through the advances technology of this CPU, the conscious being can create/destroy or deconstruct their own experience. This is why I believe that people say they experience geometric patterns of all colors. They've just deconstructed their reality through the process of killing their ego. Even physics as we know it relates to this process. The wave partical duality. Think of it this way. The partical is your conscious experience defined by the ego (the observer). Take away the observer/ego and what you're left with is the wave. Which manifests as infinte probabilities/realities potentially unfolding but not realizing a true constant form/definition thus appearing as something like this.Well that's sort of true.
You see your thoughts are not really your own, they are just thoughts common to the mind of mankind, which you're entertaining for whatever reason.
These thoughts carry vibrations and attract situations in your life which confirm your thoughts and beliefs.
So it's sort of like an illusion being created in front of you, and due to the way that the belief system works, you can't really escape it.
Easiest way to explain it is like if you've ever went from happy to depressed and noticed how the world goes from bright to gloomy, so it's like perception dictates reality, etc.
You see your thoughts are not really your own, they are just thoughts common to the mind of mankind, which you're entertaining for whatever reason.
These thoughts carry vibrations and attract situations in your life which confirm your thoughts and beliefs.
So it's sort of like an illusion being created in front of you, and due to the way that the belief system works, you can't really escape it.
Easiest way to explain it is like if you've ever went from happy to depressed and noticed how the world goes from bright to gloomy, so it's like perception dictates reality, etc.
or this
Obviously it's hard to put the true nature of our reality into words but this is about as far as I've gotten.
I could probably explain it better but I didn't get much sleep last night.
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Originally Posted By l2ambo⏩
dude you're pretty spot on, i'd just say that you are the observer, and not your ego.When I take Psychedelics or hear other peoples experience with Psychedelics . I begin to think that we are all the same consciousness and maybe I am just one thread or core in a cpu that has 7 billion threads. Each thread is a separate processing unit but part of the whole CPU. Through the advances technology of this CPU, the conscious being can create/destroy or deconstruct their own experience. This is why I believe that people say they experience geometric patterns of all colors. They've just deconstructed their reality through the process of killing their ego. Even physics as we know it relates to this process. The wave partical duality. Think of it this way. The partical is your conscious experience defined by the ego (the observer). Take away the observer/ego and what you're left with is the wave. Which manifests as infinte probabilities/realities potentially unfolding but not realizing a true constant form/definition thus appearing as something like this.
or this
Obviously it's hard to put the true nature of our reality into words but this is about as far as I've gotten.
I could probably explain it better but I didn't get much sleep last night.
or this
Obviously it's hard to put the true nature of our reality into words but this is about as far as I've gotten.
I could probably explain it better but I didn't get much sleep last night.
Ego is just how you identify with the material world in the day to day life, the consciousness is the observer, and we are all that one same consciousness or awareness.
The only difference between people is the level of awareness that you have - so what i mean is that by having a greater development of awareness, you can see and experience things that are not so obvious to other people, yet which are persistently at work.
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are you not a 40 year old lady that has sex with younger men without any shame or guilt?No because sociopathic people do not experience guilt. They don’t see anything wrong with their bad actions. They act in their own self interest regardless of morality. Morality just does not mean anything to them. So they do not suffer any internal consequences at all. They just do whatever is beneficial to them.
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Why is this even brought up at all? This is the equivalent of believing in a flat earth. Topics that are brought up within in certian circles really speak volumes to the intelligence level of those circles.
OP, you either
a) Just found out that karma isn't real (you are low iq)
b) You thought that "people need to hear that Karma is a big fat lie" (you are low iq)
In either case, you are low iq. Just lol at you making this thread at all.
OP, you either
a) Just found out that karma isn't real (you are low iq)
b) You thought that "people need to hear that Karma is a big fat lie" (you are low iq)
In either case, you are low iq. Just lol at you making this thread at all.
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Originally Posted By Lucas5814⏩
You are no king. You are a mere fish to be eatenWhy is this even brought up at all? This is the equivalent of believing in a flat earth. Topics that are brought up within in certian circles really speak volumes to the intelligence level of those circles.
OP, you either
a) Just found out that karma isn't real (you are low iq)
b) You thought that "people need to hear that Karma is a big fat lie" (you are low iq)
In either case, you are low iq. Just lol at you making this thread at all.
OP, you either
a) Just found out that karma isn't real (you are low iq)
b) You thought that "people need to hear that Karma is a big fat lie" (you are low iq)
In either case, you are low iq. Just lol at you making this thread at all.
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karma mostly came from past lives, that's why bad things happen to 'innocent' people
10-08-2021, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
its looked down upon, generally speaking - mostly because you're using somebody for sex.Yes I don’t believe that is immoral. Having sex with someone younger is obviously not the same as lying cheating stealing crime drugs etc. What do you think is wrong with it?
like a 40 year old guy banging a 21 year old college student.
sure it happens and its not bad, but its a bit of a grey area
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