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post 1649001003 10-15-2021, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
You’re taking him over mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Dak, Brady, healthy Russ, Kyler, Deshaun??

Exactly. At best he’s the 10th best qb in the league.

He’s thrown 8 touchdowns ffs
Realistically he'd slot in behind Allen, Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady. He'd be tied with Herbert, I'd rather have him over Russ, Dak, and Kyler, and Deshaun really never impressed me.

I like to give Lamar fans **** because I don't think he could do anything like this on another team, and I still don't think his passing is great (3-300 uard games in 3 years is a little sus) but he fukkin wins games man
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Remember when people said Mike Vick had no help but then a soon as he left Roddy White made first team all pro. That’s Hollywood Brown. Lamar is an RB playing Quarterback. Someone post that QB challenge video lmao
post 1649031233 10-16-2021, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
He's also accumulated more yards than 18 teams by himself. He is that Ravens offense and their defense took a massive step back.
Where does the Lamar hate come from? Dude is 24, in his 3rd full season, has led the league in TD passes, is a top 10 passer and top 10 rusher this year, has led 3 comebacks this year, has a trash line, and an average at best receiving corp.

Never seen someone so good get so much hate.
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post 1649031403 10-16-2021, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Realistically he'd slot in behind Allen, Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady. He'd be tied with Herbert, I'd rather have him over Russ, Dak, and Kyler, and Deshaun really never impressed me.

I like to give Lamar fans **** because I don't think he could do anything like this on another team, and I still don't think his passing is great (3-300 uard games in 3 years is a little sus) but he fukkin wins games man
you would take Lamar over a healthy Russ lmao
post 1649032883 10-16-2021, 08:26 AM
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Lamar has flipped the “can’t comeback from a deficit” narrative on its head this year and made me a good amount of coin in the process. GJ Lamar Man.
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Brown is averaging 90 yards and a TD a game rn. He’s a number 1 receiver.

And Andrews only has 1 drop on the season so far. He’s having a good year
Hollywood Brown is not a number 1 receiver…you don’t watch the games if you truly believe this.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Realistically he'd slot in behind Allen, Rodgers, Mahomes, and Brady. He'd be tied with Herbert, I'd rather have him over Russ, Dak, and Kyler, and Deshaun really never impressed me.

I like to give Lamar fans **** because I don't think he could do anything like this on another team, and I still don't think his passing is great (3-300 uard games in 3 years is a little sus) but he fukkin wins games man
You'd take Lamar over a healthy Russ, Dak or Kyler? You'd put Lamar even with Herbert???

Lmao
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Because its very obvious his race is one of the reasons he's criticized more than usual
I don't think that's obvious or true at all. Why would people be praising Qbs like Kyler, Russ, Dak or Mahomes then?
post 1649045573 10-16-2021, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
You'd take Lamar over a healthy Russ, Dak or Kyler? You'd put Lamar even with Herbert???

Lmao
Do you even watch football?

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post 1649048763 10-16-2021, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By HtotheOV⏩
you would take Lamar over a healthy Russ lmao
Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
You'd take Lamar over a healthy Russ, Dak or Kyler? You'd put Lamar even with Herbert???

Lmao
If I needed a guy to throw a deep corner route? No.

But if I needed a guy to win a regular season game? Absolutely.

These discussions are all retarded anyway because outside of the top 3, each QB has their own strengths and weaknesses
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Do you even watch football?

srs
What a stupid question

If I'm choosing a franchise QB I'm not going for a guy who is going to run first rather than throw because as you get older that ability to run goes away. 100% I am choosing Kyler, Russ, Dak or Herbert over Lamar as a franchise QB and its not even close

Eventually Lamar won't be able to run it any more. Where would that leave you then?

The cancer must have fukked with your brain bud
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
You’re taking him over mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Dak, Brady, healthy Russ, Kyler, Deshaun??

Exactly. At best he’s the 10th best qb in the league.

He’s thrown 8 touchdowns ffs
Yes the argument can be made for taking him over everyone except mahomes.

Why is this even a question to you. Yes Lamar is one of rhe best players in the nfl
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Yes the argument can be made for taking him over everyone except mahomes.
Not at all.

Lamar is not a plug and play. He needs an entire team built for his style and it doesn't translate well to post season.

Homie will be a raven in this system until he’s no longer able to play.

His trade value will always be 0.

The Ravens have gone all in, but it’s only ever going to be the Ravens for him.
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Originally Posted By Belome⏩
Not at all.

Lamar is not a plug and play. He needs an entire team built for his style and it doesn't translate well to post season.

Homie will be a raven in this system until he’s no longer able to play.

His trade value will always be 0.

The Ravens have gone all in, but it’s only ever going to be the Ravens for him.
Exactly. His fundamentals are not there. Once he gets a little older and starts missing a step he will be done. Not a QB id want on my team
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Originally Posted By Belome⏩
Not at all.

Lamar is not a plug and play. He needs an entire team built for his style and it doesn't translate well to post season.

Homie will be a raven in this system until he’s no longer able to play.

His trade value will always be 0.

The Ravens have gone all in, but it’s only ever going to be the Ravens for him.
You need to have a plan to use Lamar the right way, I'm just saying Lamar at his best is just as good as anyone in the nfl.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
What a stupid question

If I'm choosing a franchise QB I'm not going for a guy who is going to run first rather than throw because as you get older that ability to run goes away. 100% I am choosing Kyler, Russ, Dak or Herbert over Lamar as a franchise QB and its not even close

Eventually Lamar won't be able to run it any more. Where would that leave you then?

The cancer must have fukked with your brain bud
Most QBs age like chit. Will Lamar age faster? Probably but it doesn’t matter, as it’s a win now league and Lamar gives you the better chance to win now.
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Originally Posted By Swept⏩
Most QBs age like chit. Will Lamar age faster? Probably but it doesn’t matter, as it’s a win now league and Lamar gives you the better chance to win now.
I would take Kyler, Dak or Herbert right now over Lamar, to win right now, hands down
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Originally Posted By Swept⏩
Most QBs age like chit. Will Lamar age faster? Probably but it doesn’t matter, as it’s a win now league and Lamar gives you the better chance to win now.
Interdasting take...

Would you rather have Lamar right now along with his unknown future or...

Phil Rivers and 2 decades worth of slightly above average QB play?
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This is a stupid argument.

Right now Lamar is probably the bestfootball playerin the NFL right now.... notice I did not say the best QB. There are better QBS, but Lamar's physical ability is off the charts. We haven't seen this kind of natural talent since early Michael Vick. He has really improved his passing over the past few years as well. He is playing like a top 5 QB right now and it's not even debatable.

That being said, his success right now is based on his physical ability. When he ages, and can't run like he does now where does that leave him? He is not a pocket passer. His throwing success is a result of his running ability. Maybe he can adjust his game later on to compensate for diminished physical ability, but thats a big "maybe" because he has made his career based on his physical ability and not necessarily his understanding of the more complex things like reading defense/coverages ect.

At the end of the day the future is unknown. Lamar could go on to break records and win multiple titles, on the flip side he could flame out in 4-5 years when his speed diminishes. Look at Andrew Luck, he was supposed to be the biggest lock of a franchise QB coming out of college since Peyton Manning. Career got cut very short.

You just never know - right now Jackson is playing lights out, and assuming the Raven's continue to build the team around him he will be successful until his physical ability tapers off. Then who knows what happens.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
This is a stupid argument.

Right now Lamar is probably the bestfootball playerin the NFL right now.... notice I did not say the best QB. There are better QBS, but Lamar's physical ability is off the charts. We haven't seen this kind of natural talent since early Michael Vick. He has really improved his passing over the past few years as well. He is playing like a top 5 QB right now and it's not even debatable.

That being said, his success right now is based on his physical ability. When he ages, and can't run like he does now where does that leave him? He is not a pocket passer. His throwing success is a result of his running ability. Maybe he can adjust his game later on to compensate for diminished physical ability, but thats a big "maybe" because he has made his career based on his physical ability and not necessarily his understanding of the more complex things like reading defense/coverages ect.

At the end of the day the future is unknown. Lamar could go on to break records and win multiple titles, on the flip side he could flame out in 4-5 years when his speed diminishes. Look at Andrew Luck, he was supposed to be the biggest lock of a franchise QB coming out of college since Peyton Manning. Career got cut very short.

You just never know - right now Jackson is playing lights out, and assuming the Raven's continue to build the team around him he will be successful until his physical ability tapers off. Then who knows what happens.
But the thing is when he plays decent teams he’s very easy to gameplan for. There’s a reason why he’s 1-3 with only 3TDs and 5 picks in the playoffs. With a 55% completion percentage.

His game isn’t built to go far in the playoffs.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
I would take Kyler, Dak or Herbert right now over Lamar, to win right now, hands down
**** you for leaving out Burrow.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
**** you for leaving out Burrow.
Burrow needs to show me more I have him below Lamar
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
I would take Kyler, Dak or Herbert right now over Lamar, to win right now, hands down
I wouldn’t Lamar is better than all of them. Maybe Kyler but he’s more prone to injury
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
But the thing is when he plays decent teams he’s very easy to gameplan for. There’s a reason why he’s 1-3 with only 3TDs and 5 picks in the playoffs. With a 55% completion percentage.

His game isn’t built to go far in the playoffs.
The sample size of 4 games isn't enough to make this claim. His first playoff game was his rookie year where he was still very raw. He's improved each year. Strong run game + strong defense can still win championships. He just needs to take care of the football and not turn the ball over.

I do agree with the general notion that the Ravens are built to Lamar's strengths. I don't know well he would do on a team like the Chief's who have a swiss cheese defense.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
This is a stupid argument.

Right now Lamar is probably the bestfootball playerin the NFL right now.... notice I did not say the best QB. There are better QBS, but Lamar's physical ability is off the charts. We haven't seen this kind of natural talent since early Michael Vick. He has really improved his passing over the past few years as well. He is playing like a top 5 QB right now and it's not even debatable.
Aaron Darnold and Derrick Henry are better football players than Lamar - more physical freaks than Lamar. Do agree he's playing like a top 5 QB though and it doesn't matter if someday he will maybe drop off or if he isn't a plug and play QB.
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
What a stupid question

If I'm choosing a franchise QB I'm not going for a guy who is going to run first rather than throw because as you get older that ability to run goes away. 100% I am choosing Kyler, Russ, Dak or Herbert over Lamar as a franchise QB and its not even close

Eventually Lamar won't be able to run it any more. Where would that leave you then?

The cancer must have fukked with your brain bud
Lamar is 24, I highly doubt the Ravens give a fk about how he can’t run 8-10 years for now if he can do what he’s doing for the next 4-6 yrs. Vick was still running 50-60 yards a game at age 30+. Coaches/teams are in win now mode, you have coaches like Tomlin Harb Carroll Bill who will stay forever, but if you don’t win now you won’t be there later to see your franchise qb get older.
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lamar is really good, hes still young as fuk, but i wonder if he can keep up this "young full of energy" type of plays as he ages in this league.

perhaps ravens don't give a fuk and still run him into the ground even if it means one superbowl win
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Originally Posted By WestAfrica⏩
Lamar is 24, I highly doubt the Ravens give a fk about how he can’t run 8-10 years for now if he can do what he’s doing for the next 4-6 yrs. Vick was still running 50-60 yards a game at age 30+. Coaches/teams are in win now mode, you have coaches like Tomlin Harb Carroll Bill who will stay forever, but if you don’t win now you won’t be there later to see your franchise qb get older.
Sure, and he's still top 10 for me, but he's not top 5
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Burrow needs to show me more I have him below Lamar
How about now?
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