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11-12-2021, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By lockdev⏩
Strong fuking thisWe're beginning to experience stagflation.
srs.
Shills are going to say "but muh retail earnings were STRONK!"
No they weren't. Real inflation is about 15-20%. Your earnings were boosted by inflation, you simpleton.
But "muh demand". There is strong demand relative to supply. I wouldn't be surprised to find that actual demand hasn't gone up much. The supply has definitely sunk. You combine this with opening the credit floodgates, and it leads to the inflation mentioned above.
Inflation does not equal economic growth. In our case it just means we're printing too much fooking money.
TL;DR we're circling to the toilet. srs.
srs.
Shills are going to say "but muh retail earnings were STRONK!"
No they weren't. Real inflation is about 15-20%. Your earnings were boosted by inflation, you simpleton.
But "muh demand". There is strong demand relative to supply. I wouldn't be surprised to find that actual demand hasn't gone up much. The supply has definitely sunk. You combine this with opening the credit floodgates, and it leads to the inflation mentioned above.
Inflation does not equal economic growth. In our case it just means we're printing too much fooking money.
TL;DR we're circling to the toilet. srs.
real wages (adjusted for inflation) are down, not up
The official CPI is 6.2% right now, but almost everything is at least 20% higher than a year ago:
- housing
- cars
- energy
- food
- electronics
- ...
To me its mathematically impossible that inflation is only 6.2%
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11-13-2021, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
We're seeing this where I work.Here are the events:
1. We printed a bunch of money causing high inflation (official numbers are 6.2% for inflation, but we all know most things are at least 20% more expensive compared to a year ago)
2. Lots of employers won't adjust wages for cost of living for existing hires, but will for external hires
3. People switching jobs to tread water
1. We printed a bunch of money causing high inflation (official numbers are 6.2% for inflation, but we all know most things are at least 20% more expensive compared to a year ago)
2. Lots of employers won't adjust wages for cost of living for existing hires, but will for external hires
3. People switching jobs to tread water
Level 1 engineers are coming in at wages higher than level 3s with 10 years of experience.
Then they're surprised when said level 3 engineer leaves for a 40% increase in pay.
We continue to lose people and they're just pouring the work on the other experienced people, who are burning out and leaving.
It's absolutely nuts.
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11-13-2021, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted By BigTimeOperator⏩
People basically expect their jobs to pay off so they can afford the cost of living, and that isnt always happening
Originally Posted By BigTimeOperator⏩
People dont work to only eek by. They expect to be able to pay for basic housing and still have plenty left over for a decent car payment and savings and retirement n=and get their student loans paid off and have health care that doesn't bankrupt them.
Given, some dont have any in-demand job skills and cant expect to make much money, but they still have reasonable expectations to afford to live without going into debt or going hungry
Given, some dont have any in-demand job skills and cant expect to make much money, but they still have reasonable expectations to afford to live without going into debt or going hungry
Originally Posted By LtGoose⏩
^^^Easy, wages continue to stagnate and retards continue to say "stagnation is a good thing, raising wages is bad" so here we are.
Luckily the retards are losing the war
Luckily the retards are losing the war
It is a lot of this. People deciding that if they are screwed either way they may as well spend their time as they want.
Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
^^^It's true that people don't know what hard work is anymore. I remember my first job out of university was 50-60 hour weeks busting my ass and it taught me a lot.
People now don't realize that there's a ton of opportunity out there for someone who wants to do a good job. Instead of it taking a couple of years to become a manager, you could do it in less than a year because there aren't any good people. Even crap places like Amazon you can get promoted twice within first year if you just put your head down and do a good job. A manager at Starbucks even makes 55k a year where I live. A McDonalds manager can make 80k. Amazon 71k. Those are all liveable salaries.
Problem is now I've been working for myself for so long I can't imagine being in an office or at a computer working 40 hours a week. I've been offered decent salaries but it doesn't make sense to take them, even with the security.
People now don't realize that there's a ton of opportunity out there for someone who wants to do a good job. Instead of it taking a couple of years to become a manager, you could do it in less than a year because there aren't any good people. Even crap places like Amazon you can get promoted twice within first year if you just put your head down and do a good job. A manager at Starbucks even makes 55k a year where I live. A McDonalds manager can make 80k. Amazon 71k. Those are all liveable salaries.
Problem is now I've been working for myself for so long I can't imagine being in an office or at a computer working 40 hours a week. I've been offered decent salaries but it doesn't make sense to take them, even with the security.
And some of this. People with better options are taking them. Lots of early retirement and people reconsidering their priorities in life doing some real thinking about whether or not a job is worth it.
IIRC something like 55% of job seekers are looking for WFH positions because now they see that it is something that can be done and are aware of how much time and money they spend for the privilege of going to and from a work site. Commuting, meals outside the home, and childcare add up to a big chunk of cash.
So more people want either a job that compensates highly enough to cover those extra expenses or a job that lets them avoid those expenses. An hour to two hours per work day for commuting isn't unusual. Then toss in your "lunch hour" which isn't exactly free unconstrained time for the employee. Whatever time and expense you may have for "getting ready" in the morning. Now your 40 hour week is truly more like 50 to 55 hours and COVID caused a lot of people to finally GET this.
Originally Posted By SaltyCaptain592⏩
Well that's the thing isn't it?But how are they going to pay bills? Essential things such as rent, utilities, internet, food? If no one is working, how are they paying to survive?
Working- broke AF
Not working- broke AF
Look at how many homeless have jobs, especially in big cities with expensive rent. If the job you are offering won't allow me to live inside at a fixed address with services how much worse off am I by not working?
Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
One big game of musical chairs. Somebody rep this guy for me. Still on spread.Here are the events:
1. We printed a bunch of money causing high inflation (official numbers are 6.2% for inflation, but we all know most things are at least 20% more expensive compared to a year ago)
2. Lots of employers won't adjust wages for cost of living for existing hires, but will for external hires
3. People switching jobs to tread water
1. We printed a bunch of money causing high inflation (official numbers are 6.2% for inflation, but we all know most things are at least 20% more expensive compared to a year ago)
2. Lots of employers won't adjust wages for cost of living for existing hires, but will for external hires
3. People switching jobs to tread water
It isn't a US only problem.
“Lying flat” essentially means doing the bare minimum to get by, and striving for nothing more than what is absolutely essential for one’s survival.
It represents the mindset of lying down instead of being a productive member of society. Rather than striving to study hard, buy a home, or even start a family, a subsection of society is rejecting it all to lie flat.
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-e...ls-standing-itIt represents the mindset of lying down instead of being a productive member of society. Rather than striving to study hard, buy a home, or even start a family, a subsection of society is rejecting it all to lie flat.
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11-13-2021, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted By luckyboy23⏩
How are they getting by? Is the government assistance/unemployment still in affect?2020 changed the greater society forever. Ded srs.
Labor shortage is literally everywhere. Truck drivers, restaurant/retail staff, you name it. Anything customer service. Anything even remotely physically taxing. Even several starbucks locations in my vicinity are closing at 1pm due to staffing issues. Doesn't matter what the pay is. It's not the pay. Ded srs. I offer minimum wage positions but I'm paying anywhere from $4-$7 per hour over min wage and I can't keep a single employee. Flashback to 2-3 years ago offering a buck or two above min wage and I'd have people flocking.
Went from high applicant volume and some people would show up for interview and some people would show up to first day. Now, no one even applies. I get literally 0 applications anymore compared to 12 a day. If/when someone is interested in a position they're demanding wages that are unheard of and are never worth their salt upon hiring.
People don't want to work. It's the attitude shift. People want to be free and be on their own time. No one wants to be on a schedule. No one cares. People are late, can't wake up, and have too much fun while they're off and that's all they look forward to.. It's always been like this but people used to restrain themselves. They just don't want to work. Don't know how else to phrase it... Oh, and weekends are the new religion and cult. Good luck finding someone willing to work weekends, especially sundays.
It's everywhere. I see it everywhere. I ask and talk to other business owners. It's more of a lazy, unmotivated mindset rather than a pay problem.
On the money side of things.. The "raise min wage" cult will always be chasing their tails and it will never end. All they're doing is adding to the inflation. Min wage was never designed, or intended to pay the bills. It never will.
Everything else is mentioned in this thread. Everyone, all the peasants feel entitled to fancy things and "lavish" lifestyles because they want to mimic what they see on social media.. Think instagram. Monkey see, monkey do.
End of the day, humans are still primates. Nothing but a sophisticated ape.
Labor shortage is literally everywhere. Truck drivers, restaurant/retail staff, you name it. Anything customer service. Anything even remotely physically taxing. Even several starbucks locations in my vicinity are closing at 1pm due to staffing issues. Doesn't matter what the pay is. It's not the pay. Ded srs. I offer minimum wage positions but I'm paying anywhere from $4-$7 per hour over min wage and I can't keep a single employee. Flashback to 2-3 years ago offering a buck or two above min wage and I'd have people flocking.
Went from high applicant volume and some people would show up for interview and some people would show up to first day. Now, no one even applies. I get literally 0 applications anymore compared to 12 a day. If/when someone is interested in a position they're demanding wages that are unheard of and are never worth their salt upon hiring.
People don't want to work. It's the attitude shift. People want to be free and be on their own time. No one wants to be on a schedule. No one cares. People are late, can't wake up, and have too much fun while they're off and that's all they look forward to.. It's always been like this but people used to restrain themselves. They just don't want to work. Don't know how else to phrase it... Oh, and weekends are the new religion and cult. Good luck finding someone willing to work weekends, especially sundays.
It's everywhere. I see it everywhere. I ask and talk to other business owners. It's more of a lazy, unmotivated mindset rather than a pay problem.
On the money side of things.. The "raise min wage" cult will always be chasing their tails and it will never end. All they're doing is adding to the inflation. Min wage was never designed, or intended to pay the bills. It never will.
Everything else is mentioned in this thread. Everyone, all the peasants feel entitled to fancy things and "lavish" lifestyles because they want to mimic what they see on social media.. Think instagram. Monkey see, monkey do.
End of the day, humans are still primates. Nothing but a sophisticated ape.
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11-13-2021, 09:44 AM
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People working from home during the pandemic realize their jobs suck and they don’t want to go into an office to spend time with people they hate.
People are quitting their jobs that are saying return to the office
I will quit my job if they force me back to talk about ****gy Netflix shows all day
Many employers are allowing remote to continue so no need to trade your happiness for a check anymore
Can’t stand ****gets at work (No EOD hehe)
People are quitting their jobs that are saying return to the office
I will quit my job if they force me back to talk about ****gy Netflix shows all day
Many employers are allowing remote to continue so no need to trade your happiness for a check anymore
Can’t stand ****gets at work (No EOD hehe)
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11-13-2021, 09:53 AM
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11-13-2021, 10:00 AM
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Smells like opportunity for those who have the gumption to go against the grain boyos
I left a WFH position in May so that I could travel halfway across the country and make a hell of a lot more $$$. People can stay out of the work force, force industries to sweeten the pot and I'll be here ready to jump on that as well
I left a WFH position in May so that I could travel halfway across the country and make a hell of a lot more $$$. People can stay out of the work force, force industries to sweeten the pot and I'll be here ready to jump on that as well
11-13-2021, 10:02 AM
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How they do it is in question but a lot of people learned how to get by without working. Sustainable, I doubt it. But who knows, I'm not one of them.
Anyways, don't worry about what other people are doing. Worry about what you are doing. Right now is a golden opportunity to level up. Those who aren't, are setting themselve up for future hardship. Nothing is free. Things change. Every recession is different. It won't be like it was in 2008. No, it's more like low unemployment, everyone has money coming in, but yet things are expensive and hard to come by, more things out of reach for more people. On paper, everything is fine, but that paper is on fire. You wonder why you are struggling. As per usual, those on the lower end of the toatum pole are worse off.
Anyways, don't worry about what other people are doing. Worry about what you are doing. Right now is a golden opportunity to level up. Those who aren't, are setting themselve up for future hardship. Nothing is free. Things change. Every recession is different. It won't be like it was in 2008. No, it's more like low unemployment, everyone has money coming in, but yet things are expensive and hard to come by, more things out of reach for more people. On paper, everything is fine, but that paper is on fire. You wonder why you are struggling. As per usual, those on the lower end of the toatum pole are worse off.
11-13-2021, 10:07 AM
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cuz even small business is greedy as ****
brb owners who only make 100k a year think they shood own 2 properties with toys (quads/snowmobiles/boats) and be able to go on expensive trips multiple times a year.
brb owners who only make 100k a year think they shood own 2 properties with toys (quads/snowmobiles/boats) and be able to go on expensive trips multiple times a year.
11-13-2021, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Being forced to move my physical therapy business into my home was actually the best thing possible. Not only am I saving on space overhead and using my massive living room that I don't even use, not driving and paying for gas is saving me 6-8 hours a week plus easily $300 in gas. So if you factor in my hourly rate I'm saving about a thousand dollars a month by working from home.^^^
IIRC something like 55% of job seekers are looking for WFH positions because now they see that it is something that can be done and are aware of how much time and money they spend for the privilege of going to and from a work site. Commuting, meals outside the home, and childcare add up to a big chunk of cash.
IIRC something like 55% of job seekers are looking for WFH positions because now they see that it is something that can be done and are aware of how much time and money they spend for the privilege of going to and from a work site. Commuting, meals outside the home, and childcare add up to a big chunk of cash.
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