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03-04-2022, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Examples?Yes. Entered college, as most do, with a political ideology very similar to my parents. Was in college for a decade. Still socially conservative, but of the fields I understand best, (STEM) my views tend to align with the left. It had nothing to do with indoctrination.Course after course some of the beliefs I held were systematically dismantled with evidence, so I changed them.
03-04-2022, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted By Bracket199⏩
Always interesting to get a glimpse into peoples' thought process, and I agree with a lot of what you've said. One thing that is fascinating to me is your comment regarding millennials being unwilling to make sacrifices and how that has shaped your views. I think health care prices are ridiculous, and hate that people often face financial ruin as a result of an accident or some other bad luck. At the same time I look at all the people making bad health choices (alcoholism, smoking, obesity, sedentary, etc). I don't drink or smoke and I exercise 5 days a week and I ask myself, should I really have to pay for these peoples' bad health decisions. The truth is, I already do pay for their bad choices, but going nationalized would seem to take it a step further.ty
I was the same, but then when I realized how much millennials spend on consumed goods, I don't think I should be responsible for their lifestyle.
Wife and I bought a house before the bubble; and still have money for other things. However, we also live a very basic life to enjoy other things. When you challenge the notion that millennials should make sacrifices, they respond with "why should I? I shouldn't have to in order to enjoy life?". You know who else made sacrifices...our parents.
I don't agree with the way housing is progressing; but I also know people aren't trying to help themselves either.
I was the same, but then when I realized how much millennials spend on consumed goods, I don't think I should be responsible for their lifestyle.
Wife and I bought a house before the bubble; and still have money for other things. However, we also live a very basic life to enjoy other things. When you challenge the notion that millennials should make sacrifices, they respond with "why should I? I shouldn't have to in order to enjoy life?". You know who else made sacrifices...our parents.
I don't agree with the way housing is progressing; but I also know people aren't trying to help themselves either.
Definitely agree that housing is ugly for first time buyers.
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03-04-2022, 01:11 PM
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I'd say I was liberal before college. In college none of courses were social science related and I wasn't politically active. Undergraduate degree was biochemical engineering.
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03-04-2022, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
Idk im pretty fit but, I don't think we should tell people what to eat. YEAH, I do think we should place a limit on real-estate, people are remodeling homes with chitty parts but then again America is a capitalist country, but it just sucks people are seeing money instead of qualityAlways interesting to get a glimpse into peoples' thought process, and I agree with a lot of what you've said. One thing that is fascinating to me is your comment regarding millennials being unwilling to make sacrifices and how that has shaped your views. I think health care prices are ridiculous, and hate that people often face financial ruin as a result of an accident or some other bad luck. At the same time I look at all the people making bad health choices (alcoholism, smoking, obesity, sedentary, etc). I don't drink or smoke and I exercise 5 days a week and I ask myself, should I really have to pay for these peoples' bad health decisions. The truth is, I already do pay for their bad choices, but going nationalized would seem to take it a step further.
Definitely agree that housing is ugly for first time buyers.
Definitely agree that housing is ugly for first time buyers.
03-04-2022, 01:51 PM
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03-04-2022, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted By RihanM⏩
Makes sense mental illness can happen at an early age.I was always left leaning and liberal. Education didn’t change that for me.
I was more right leaning entering college (2006 grad) but didn't really care tbh until like a year or two when libs mental illness fully came out. I'm more indy than anything (registered independent), but due to severe hatred for the most worthless scum on earth libs I have became way more right.
03-04-2022, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
We definitely shouldn't be paying for anyone's luxury goods. You have to take it in moderation. Additionally - you can choose what you want, so it's your responsibility to have some control.Always interesting to get a glimpse into peoples' thought process, and I agree with a lot of what you've said. One thing that is fascinating to me is your comment regarding millennials being unwilling to make sacrifices and how that has shaped your views. I think health care prices are ridiculous, and hate that people often face financial ruin as a result of an accident or some other bad luck. At the same time I look at all the people making bad health choices (alcoholism, smoking, obesity, sedentary, etc). I don't drink or smoke and I exercise 5 days a week and I ask myself, should I really have to pay for these peoples' bad health decisions. The truth is, I already do pay for their bad choices, but going nationalized would seem to take it a step further.
Definitely agree that housing is ugly for first time buyers.
Definitely agree that housing is ugly for first time buyers.
Our parents probably drank, smoke, and went out for dinner - but they had to consume that in moderation (or budget it).
Millennials always make jokes about boomers saying "don't eat avocado toast" or "pick yourself up from your bootstraps" - but it goes deeper than that. The "avocado toast" example is probably something to look deeper in. It's not about the avocado toast, or the Starbucks - it's the cost to do it.
If you go to a grocery store and buy bulk avocados, bulk eggs, and a loaf of bread - it will probably cost you approximately $10-12 CAD for the whole thing (prices vary). That can feed you for a full week, so in reality you're only paying ~$2/meal (this varies on number of avocados and eggs consume). However, a restaurant will probably charge you $10 for the whole thing - excluding tip (if necessary).
Same with Starbucks drinks. You can buy actual machines that can make you a latte for a fraction of the cost (milk and the espresso) to make your drink. The machine will cost you more, but it'll pay itself out after $10/day drinks.
There's definitely more examples, but these small things add up.
Millennials don't want to sacrifice and put effort into what they want. This is a concern, and it's hard for me to support their complaining when they don't budget properly.
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03-04-2022, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Bracket199⏩
Agree.We definitely shouldn't be paying for anyone's luxury goods. You have to take it in moderation. Additionally - you can choose what you want, so it's your responsibility to have some control.
Our parents probably drank, smoke, and went out for dinner - but they had to consume that in moderation (or budget it).
Millennials always make jokes about boomers saying "don't eat avocado toast" or "pick yourself up from your bootstraps" - but it goes deeper than that. The "avocado toast" example is probably something to look deeper in. It's not about the avocado toast, or the Starbucks - it's the cost to do it.
If you go to a grocery store and buy bulk avocados, bulk eggs, and a loaf of bread - it will probably cost you approximately $10-12 CAD for the whole thing (prices vary). That can feed you for a full week, so in reality you're only paying ~$2/meal (this varies on number of avocados and eggs consume). However, a restaurant will probably charge you $10 for the whole thing - excluding tip (if necessary).
Same with Starbucks drinks. You can buy actual machines that can make you a latte for a fraction of the cost (milk and the espresso) to make your drink. The machine will cost you more, but it'll pay itself out after $10/day drinks.
There's definitely more examples, but these small things add up.
Millennials don't want to sacrifice and put effort into what they want. This is a concern, and it's hard for me to support their complaining when they don't budget properly.
Our parents probably drank, smoke, and went out for dinner - but they had to consume that in moderation (or budget it).
Millennials always make jokes about boomers saying "don't eat avocado toast" or "pick yourself up from your bootstraps" - but it goes deeper than that. The "avocado toast" example is probably something to look deeper in. It's not about the avocado toast, or the Starbucks - it's the cost to do it.
If you go to a grocery store and buy bulk avocados, bulk eggs, and a loaf of bread - it will probably cost you approximately $10-12 CAD for the whole thing (prices vary). That can feed you for a full week, so in reality you're only paying ~$2/meal (this varies on number of avocados and eggs consume). However, a restaurant will probably charge you $10 for the whole thing - excluding tip (if necessary).
Same with Starbucks drinks. You can buy actual machines that can make you a latte for a fraction of the cost (milk and the espresso) to make your drink. The machine will cost you more, but it'll pay itself out after $10/day drinks.
There's definitely more examples, but these small things add up.
Millennials don't want to sacrifice and put effort into what they want. This is a concern, and it's hard for me to support their complaining when they don't budget properly.
One of my basic beliefs regarding the role of government is that policies that insulate people from the consequences (either good or bad) of their choices are bad for society.
Eat out for every meal if you want, but don't come crying if you are broke. I drive a 17-year-old truck, and it's not unusual for the interns I employ to drive newer, more expensive vehicles than me.
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03-04-2022, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
to further build on this, "higher education" also attracts certain types of individuals. Fields like finance go directly into the work force following bachelor degree, several arts majors are forced to continue to the masters/PhD levels, which are shown in several studies to be "higher education" but are they that much more "educated" than the finance guy who learned on the job as well?No I don’t think so. But most fields in universities seem to attract certain personality traits that usually also correlate with liberalism.
If you pick a field like finance, for example, generally the “type” of person drawn to this is drastically different to the “type” of person drawn to a field like philosophy.
But I am not much education. Don’t take my word for it.
If you pick a field like finance, for example, generally the “type” of person drawn to this is drastically different to the “type” of person drawn to a field like philosophy.
But I am not much education. Don’t take my word for it.
so I think the point im getting at is that more schooling attracts certain individuals mores than more schooling changes individuals.
Originally Posted By Bracket199⏩
I think youre close but not quite hitting the nail on the head. the majority of the people that I see mocking these comments are people who come from very high middle class families.We definitely shouldn't be paying for anyone's luxury goods. You have to take it in moderation. Additionally - you can choose what you want, so it's your responsibility to have some control.
Our parents probably drank, smoke, and went out for dinner - but they had to consume that in moderation (or budget it).
Millennials don't want to sacrifice and put effort into what they want. This is a concern, and it's hard for me to support their complaining when they don't budget properly.
Our parents probably drank, smoke, and went out for dinner - but they had to consume that in moderation (or budget it).
Millennials don't want to sacrifice and put effort into what they want. This is a concern, and it's hard for me to support their complaining when they don't budget properly.
I think the problem is that they grow accustomed to a lifestyle provided by their parents money, and once thats cut off, they dont want to put in the work to obtain the funds to live that lifestyle themselves. they want to maintain that lifestyle while simutaniously being "on there own" and when they cant, billionaires should pay more taxes.
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