You don't even have start a business, just acquire that skill and use that skill to sustain yourself.

win a chip in 2k

These days it’s an achievement for a guy to just have moved out of his parents house. Young men really need to get their **** together

I usually troll a lot but this is srs now. The one and only skill every man should have as an adult should be how to grown your own food, how to forage and how to hunt. We are animals, this world, the one we all live in is a split second of the history of our species. I'm not much of a hunter but for the last couple years I've been into farming and growin your own food. Nowadays I can sustain myself plus have enough to spare to feed others and do preserves and so on. Permaculture is the key to life imo, we are in the end animals that change our environment we can shape it for good too.





There's nothing better for your mental health than ditching all social media and cuckmedia consumerism like netflix and the rest of the streaming crap and changing that for gardening and spending time tending to your crops. EVERY man should get to experience that

lol im one of the last people on here who should be called an npc. youve already backtracked by saying its for lifestyle, how do you know what to desire without comparison?

Financial freedom is a misunderstood concept in the US. People think it means having millions in their investment accounts or 35 rental properties or some combination of random investments. Who is more financially free, the high income/high net worth guy with lots of responsibilities and bills who can likely cover his bills with passive/investment income in his 40s or 50s or the guy at 30 who makes $80k but lives on half and only spends money on things he enjoys? While conventional thinking would say the first, clearly the second is because if he got fired tomorrow he could easily find a job at the median male salary and cover his lifestyle, and likely live for quite a few years on savings since he doesn't spend a large amount of money on mandatory living expenses. Not to mention investing the leftovers would provide enough investment (rougly ~2M) needed to replace the 8k income pretty quickly, so he'd likely have financial freedom in 40s or early 50s while not having worked his life away in his 20s and 30s. You won't have a 5BR mini mansion or fleet of boats but not very many people actually need that. Now, the ideal of course is high income/net worth and low expenses but it is admittedly tough not to get at least slightly caught in the hedonistic treadmill and balloon your mandatory expenses a bit.

Before anyone complains about how it's impossible to live a good life in the US on $80k I'll point out that it is $11k more than the median household income in the US, so if you live in a HCOL area just substitute in your median household income and add a small cushion.

By 30 I broke 100k w/o BA, slept with 70+ foreign/local chicks, traveled to 45 countries, etc. Didn't have a plan to do any of that SRS. Sht just happens when you aren't a beta ****g0t

Spoken like a true no avi with a weak total.

You know what to desire by figuring out what provides you happiness since happiness is in general what people desire. Everything people buy and do is an attempt to increase their baseline level of happiness whether they are aware of it or not. Most people aren't and just spend all their time earning resources that they spend on possessions they don't actually want, but the TV people told them they wanted the thing because it would make them happier.

This thread is repetitive on the misc and pretty dumb tbh. To address the OP from my perspective - at 30 I had a great career that I enjoyed and worked somewhere that provided me ample work/life balance to live the lifestyle I wanted to, as well as a GF who is now my wife. I had experience living in big cities, in the country on acerage, working on a farm, working in a big ass office building downtown, being in the military, traveled to 5 or 6 countries, been fat, been in shape (was in shape at 30 and currently am), spent a couple years as an alcoholic, been divorced, and had a pregnancy scare with a 20 year old stripper. I didn't really plan any of that **** out but around 30 I really started to piece together what things I liked doing, learned from my bad decisions and developed a vision of what I want my life to be at when I'm 55 that I work towards every day. That's all you can really do man, a lot of the income / net worth stuff in life is based on luck as much as skill, if not more so, so don't place too much emphasis on wealth. In short hopefully you experienced a lot of life before 30 and have now kind of figured it out.

29 here

Big one for me was travel to 30 countries by 30 hit that.

Find someone who you can spend rest of life w srs. Been dating mine for almost 2 years now.

Crush your financial goals - youll never have more energy.

Have a career you can grow with long term or have a business. You don't have to have everything figured out but you should have a sense of what you are good at and what to focus on.

For me -
Own my house w only 200k on Mortgage left, own 2x car, had first million + take home year last year. big group of friends and fun 30th coming up. Feeling pretty satisfied. One big thing I am working on is being happy + appreciative of where I am at instead of always wanting more. Tough with other founders on linkedin and big booty hos on insta

I believe the high income/net worth guy in his 40's with little financial responsibility is best off.
As noted, I speak specifically in the US. Spend one week in the ER and let me know how the $80k a year guy living "below his means" pays that hospital bill. I know because my father spent a week in the ER.

Do you know what backtracking means you NPC retard?

The only one Jesus taught..non-denominational.

Here’s my advice man


Get rid of the mindset you need to do certain things by a certain age.

It’s great for young guys pushing themselves through their 20s and maybe even for a bit longer.

But the scope of what’s available for you to achieve, learn, the direction your life can take, will be extremely narrowed and limited by this attitude as you get older. You will have this reservation about starting particular journeys at a certain age because it would have been better to do it 15 years previously or whatever.

At some point it stops becoming about what you need to accomplish as quick as you can. And more about what new journeys can you start. Or you can just plateau in your career and hobbies and love life and go full npc.

A lot of people (especially on this forum) are either doomers thinking they'll never make it. Or are copers that justify they are 'happy' with a subpar lifestyle not working too hard or much and getting by with a low income.

The simple truth is wealth = freedom. Real freedom. Few men know what it feels like to be completely free financially. To live without stress or worry. And in order to achieve that young you need to be extremely dedicated/hard working in your 20s.


Not an entrepreneur but I've built a life that I can enjoy. My 30s are on cruise control. As of 2022 I take one week off per month. Taking two 2 week vacations per year is a norm for me now also. I can't even imagine how bad life would suck if I'd have gotten consumed by debt and been a slacker in my 20s.


So OP while you seem to have a lot of 'social media esque' goals. You're real prize is being a free man. By 30 you want a primary source of income and a semi-passive second source of income from a side hustle/investment. You want to be able to take 'time' to yourself. Your time is the real priceless commodity.

Is this the reason why OP is asking where he should be by 30? IE to provide some sort of baseline against others for what could be done in earlier years of life?

OP seems like he has the personality of a wet blanket lol.

Have your own goals Op, just make sure it’s not cope. If you believe you need to be married or a home owner by a certain age then you’re just backing yourself into a corner with no leverage (ex: buying a house you can’t afford comfortably or marrying a ****)

As others said the more you focus on your own race the less material BS you need. All that stuff is trying to hold you back and hold you down. Be your own man

Haven't seen one person ITT mention "being happy"

Nice world we live in.

lol so many ceo/10k a day trolls...

By 30 you should have the following:

100k dollars in retirement funds. You better have a Roth if you qualify, and you better max it out every year, as well as participating in your company's 401k up to at least the match.
Purchased a modest starter home so you aren't paying landlords and pissing your money away
Acquired 1 professional MARKETABLE skill. Either trade school, or STEM degree. No excuses.
Working towards a serious relationship, and/or making an effort to do so. If you wait until 40, your tour is likely over.
Have the groundwork laid to pursue a side hustle/business so that you can take legal advantage of the tax code.
Learned to invest your own money, and manage your own money proficiently.
Have all debts paid off minus your home. If you have huge student loans, that should be paid off as quickly as you can.

Everyone should set their own goals, but this is ideal for me:

-figured out what you want to do career wise and making decent money doing it
-bought first property so you don't have to pay rent anymore
-found a good woman to settle down with and have kids with soon
-knowledgeable on health and fitness, and in good shape
-knowledgeable on personal finance, and saving/investing/living below your means