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post 1658063023 03-16-2022, 06:06 PM
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#2 is only good if it can upskill you to earn more than what they're offering right now....

If they can promise potential 15% raise after your first performance/year it'll be worth otherwise not to sure
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If you are in HVAC or refrigeration which it sounds like based on your education and description you are, you need to bite the bullet and move to a company that is going to allow you to learn. Being a glorified parts changer is going to get you anywhere.
If you get into a company that does more challenging and complex work, you can work yourself into a gravy job over time doing chiller and boiler plant maintenance/troubleshooting and tear downs and basically name your price if you have the mechanical skill set.
post 1658064063 03-16-2022, 06:28 PM
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job 1 - $25/hr factoring in vacation. 48000/49/40=24.49
job 2 - $28/hr factoring in vacation. 69000/51/48=28.19

this is not factoring in how long your commute it. lets say its 1 hr there and back a day. you're better off in your current position.
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post 1658068913 03-16-2022, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Samraiwise⏩
Choose the one that makes you one step closer to your goal or points in the same direction as that goal.



Even the smallest step matters in a long run.

Good luck, brother.
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post 1658069873 03-16-2022, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Leannoodle⏩
If you are in HVAC or refrigeration which it sounds like based on your education and description you are, you need to bite the bullet and move to a company that is going to allow you to learn. Being a glorified parts changer is going to get you anywhere.
If you get into a company that does more challenging and complex work, you can work yourself into a gravy job over time doing chiller and boiler plant maintenance/troubleshooting and tear downs and basically name your price if you have the mechanical skill set.
Yes, refrigeration, this is exactly where I'm heading. I took a tour of job 2 and let's just say the machines were intimidating...but exactly what I went to school for. Job 2 is a prepared foods plant and damn I'd be proud to work on those massive compressors. As it is now, I have techs around me that cannot even operate a multimeter or have any clue of what Ohms law is or even what an ohm is. I can't stand it. Even if the pay was there, to have to replace an entire cooling deck because I'm not allowed to evacuate refrigerant (I'm fully qualified and have done it countless times) is soul killing.
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post 1658070313 03-16-2022, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Ying2012⏩
#2 is only good if it can upskill you to earn more than what they're offering right now....

If they can promise potential 15% raise after your first performance/year it'll be worth otherwise not to sure
Yes to upskill, and yes to promotions. There's quite some room to grow and make more money. There's no promises, but there are positions in the career track I'm on with the potential.
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post 1658072783 03-16-2022, 09:28 PM
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I'd rather a better quality of life with less pay.
Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Yes, refrigeration, this is exactly where I'm heading. I took a tour of job 2 and let's just say the machines were intimidating...but exactly what I went to school for. Job 2 is a prepared foods plant and damn I'd be proud to work on those massive compressors. As it is now, I have techs around me that cannot even operate a multimeter or have any clue of what Ohms law is or even what an ohm is. I can't stand it. Even if the pay was there, to have to replace an entire cooling deck because I'm not allowed to evacuate refrigerant (I'm fully qualified and have done it countless times) is soul killing.
After reading this, I'd take the second job, tough it out for 3-5 years wherever they're willing to train you for the experience, and then name your price.
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I'd talk to Job 1 and use Job 2 to get Job 3 which provides the career opportunities, whilst maintaining the previous positive environment.

And the whole time, you can use Job 1 as a tester for your ideas and political idealations.. make moves, get **** done.. make proposals.. all the while not spending so long there.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
$48k/year now. In October slated to be bumped to $52k by passing qualifications test.

Job #2 pays $69k starting. Job #2 has 8 hours OT built in per week tho, whereas job 1 is straight 40 hours.



If I wasn't wasting an AS I might consider it. Went to school for 2 years on my own dime to learn refrigeration. Job #1 pisses it away and I'm basically an overpaid parts changer....which is super comfy but a waste.
Stick with job 1…

Job 2 pays more because it’s chit… money ain’t everything bruzzie
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post 1658128783 03-17-2022, 07:58 PM
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Well fellas, I went with job 2. Thanks for the perspectives, especially Kaz. Was a hard choice, job 1 is comfy, but job 2 will get me a solid career and even more perks in the long run.
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post 1658144813 03-18-2022, 06:30 AM
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Well fuk me. Put in my 2 weeks and got a counter offer. Heavily considering it. Fast tracked promotion, $$$, training, even sweeter schedule. If I get every single thing on this list I'm seriously going to put in some thought.
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post 1658146533 03-18-2022, 07:24 AM
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You can make 70k a year mowing grass brah ded fukin srs. Be your own boss. Find something like that you like and kill it. Those paychecks ain't it chief. Can barely live on 70k in a joe biden economy.
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post 1658148173 03-18-2022, 08:07 AM
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Commercial refrigeration business owner here. My 28th year body in great shape mind not so much. Extremely humbling job. I can’t begin to tell all the jobs that have messed with my sleep. Just when your certain it’s fixed something else goes wrong. Anyway if your goal is money learn the trade for seven years then start your own company. Good luck
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Well fuk me. Put in my 2 weeks and got a counter offer. Heavily considering it. Fast tracked promotion, $$$, training, even sweeter schedule. If I get every single thing on this list I'm seriously going to put in some thought.
tell me more about the sweeter schedule...this is the most impt.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Well fuk me. Put in my 2 weeks and got a counter offer. Heavily considering it. Fast tracked promotion, $$$, training, even sweeter schedule. If I get every single thing on this list I'm seriously going to put in some thought.
Still not worth it my man, you may need to put aside a little short term gain in favor of long term but being in a place where you can advance your career is where you need to be
post 1658167693 03-18-2022, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By thatsnarf⏩
tell me more about the sweeter schedule...this is the most impt.
M-F, 7 am- 3pm, paid commute.

Mostly considering now because I've thought about the fact that I can hang in here a year or 2 with technician training and decide whether I want to go industrial anyway later. Of course that's an opportunity cost to consider as well, some licenses take years of experience to even test for (boilers) and I can start right now.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Never, ever take a counter offer.
People say this all the time, but I took a counter offer that got me a 20% raise and full time work from home. Still here 1.5 years later although I'm considering an offer right now for what would amount to another 20% raise but wouldn't allow full time work from home. It's crazy in IT right now job offers just seem to fall out of the sky every couple months.
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1 week vacation? In a year? No wonder you muricans make a lot of money.

I'd never want to live a life where I had that little vacation. At least 6-8 weeks a year crew (and that is besides the extra free days people don't work)
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
And how does it feel that you are working for a company that intentionally underpaid you by 20% until you gave them an ultimatum?
Every company does that. All they really did was bump a promotion date up, I was expecting promotion to senior level during my review at the end of the fiscal year and they just pushed it through a few months early.

You'll never get paid what you're 'worth' to your employer because then you're not giving them any value.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
[Makes a difference what your salary is. I agree with ya if I was making 100k and looking at 120k. That 20k would be play money. Going from 50k to 70k brings legitimate quality of life gains though. Also I don't have a house yet and started my career goals somewhat late.

I have to say I'm legitimately surprised the perks here make that much of a difference for some of you when they don't actually translate into more annual pay, especially considering inflation and the wayge not being CEO 10K a day lol. I figured misc to be more career maxxers. Guys having me think twice.
Quality of life isn't always about the money. If you don't have the time to spend it with family/friends, what's the point of making extra cash?
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Originally Posted By Celsus⏩
1 week vacation? In a year? No wonder you muricans make a lot of money.

I'd never want to live a life where I had that little vacation. At least 6-8 weeks a year crew (and that is besides the extra free days people don't work)
For a foot in the door, I think it's worth it. I'm being hired at the bottom of the rung at #2, with time comes more vacation. It took me 8 years to get my 3rd year at job #1. Getting into heavier machinery with #2 I'll have a skill that'll get me that and more much quicker, either with them or
at another company later.

I'm leaning toward leaving. I don't think counter offers are bad, sometimes you gotta push for certain things and if ya didn't get heard with asking, sometimes telling your boss you're out the door gets the message through real quick on what you need. I don't feel job #1 is capable of following through on training I want, so that's something to consider when the boss makes promises. Pay is easy, you get that on your check, work conditions and training is all on someone who may or may not be competent enough to organize for you. I can "train" myself all I want, but the work has to be there and these guys really lag on bringing the work in.
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I would always love to have a normal relaxing job with good colleagues. I don't care if it's less pay. Quality of life is the most important thing. Srs. At the moment I've been doing shift work in health care for 13 years and it's the worst I've ever felt. Over 100k, but I never have a normal sleep cycle. Weekends, on call, public holidays, nightshifts, split in half shifts you name it. It's absolutely retarded. I always wanted to do something else but I have never gained motivation to get out of my comfort zone. Even though I'm absolutely miserable. Also my drive is 1hr each way, and tolls are $50, parking is $40, fuel is $100 . per week. So I'm loosing a lot of post tax income from that alone. And the on call allowance is pissening $20 per day.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Whatever helps you cope with having been underpaid by 20% - but I notice you completely deflected the question.
Ok, well how does it make me feel then? Don't really care tbh.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
Every company does that. All they really did was bump a promotion date up, I was expecting promotion to senior level during my review at the end of the fiscal year and they just pushed it through a few months early.

You'll never get paid what you're 'worth' to your employer because then you're not giving them any value.
This is exactly what they did for me at #1 lol. I wouldn't have a problem with it so much except for the fact that is it, there is no more promotion after no matter what I learn. Unless I want to get into management, which I've seen enough to know I want no part in having all the responsibilities and zero power. Whereas job #2 pays more just to start and kills them with their top pay.
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Well cotdam. I'm seriously considering rescinding my 2 weeks. This job is so damn easy, I'm hitting my stride, and fits my life with my family. Fuk me lol.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Well cotdam. I'm seriously considering rescinding my 2 weeks. This job is so damn easy, I'm hitting my stride, and fits my life with my family. Fuk me lol.
If your easy job w/better schedule + a bit less pay is closer to home [less gas money, time] and is as secure or more secure it might be for the best.

IIRC new job is food processing/production? Current job is repair for various outside customers?
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I work a high stress job and regret it so much but if dead end then change.
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Well cotdam. I'm seriously considering rescinding my 2 weeks. This job is so damn easy, I'm hitting my stride, and fits my life with my family. Fuk me lol.
Just go with the new job, don’t be afraid of change
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
If your easy job w/better schedule + a bit less pay is closer to home [less gas money, time] and is as secure or more secure it might be for the best.

IIRC new job is food processing/production? Current job is repair for various outside customers?
Commute is basically a non factor other than I am not wasting my own time commuting at current job. New job is 20 minutes out, and an easy drive.

And yes on the current/new job descriptions. Been to a few food processing plants this week. Absolutely horrid places, can't imagine having to live near some of these areas.

Main factor driving my anxiety is the fact that I've kicked ass at my current job and am being hired at a 6th level pay grade at the new job (out of 8) and have zero experience. Everything is set up perfectly right now and I'm basically throwing it all away for something I might end up stressed up to my ass about or not even cutting it and being out on my ass in 3 months.
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