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post 1658970713 04-01-2022, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted By AlfBundy⏩
I personally want Apple employees to suffer
Why?
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Democrats are strong men who pretend to be weak
post 1658972253 04-01-2022, 08:05 PM
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Blizzard employees are doing the same thing. Lol @ how all these big tech leftists are totally opposed to working. It's almost like the only thing they're passionate about is their politics.
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Incredibly short-sited by Apple. I'm sure just about anyone with a resume that shows they worked at Apple as an engineer will have absolutely no problem finding a high-paying fully remote job. Watch Apple replace them all with unqualified diversity hires, then we can lol as their product turns to complete ****.
post 1658973553 04-01-2022, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By semenreleaser⏩
Incredibly short-sited by Apple. I'm sure just about anyone with a resume that shows they worked at Apple as an engineer will have absolutely no problem finding a high-paying fully remote job. Watch Apple replace them all with unqualified diversity hires, then we can lol as their product turns to complete ****.
This assumes that they aren't already just a collective group of unqualified diversity hires. Anyone jumping on this bandwagon is guaranteed to be a hardcore blue checkmark leftist.
post 1658974723 04-01-2022, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
This assumes that they aren't already just a collective group of unqualified diversity hires. Anyone jumping on this bandwagon is guaranteed to be a hardcore blue checkmark leftist.
Nope. Job market is hot in IT now and anybody with talent is actively being recruited by every other top competitor. I quit my previous company because they were forcing people to go back into the office despite our entire 100+ person department having much higher performance working from home. Every manager wanted to keep wfh but upper, out of touch, execs didn’t care. So neither did I and quit. I’d say 30%+ of all top talent quit that company in the last 4 months

It’s funny though. Execs are offering all these retention policies now (bonuses, salary raises, stipends, etc) but aren’t budging on the work from home cancelations. It was requiring 5 days a week in-office 4 months ago. 3days/2days alternating 2 months ago. And 2 days a week last I checked.

Plenty of people are doing the same


Edit: Apple has top talent. Blizzard I might agree with you in their talent pool.
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post 1658974793 04-01-2022, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Nope. Job market is hot in IT now and anybody with talent is actively being recruited by every other top competitor. I quit my previous company because they were forcing people to go back into the office despite our entire 100+ person department having much higher performance working from home. Every manager wanted to keep wfh but upper, out of touch, execs didn’t care. So neither did I and quit. I’d say 30%+ of all top talent quit that company in the last 4 months

It’s funny though. Execs are offering all these retention policies now (bonuses, salary raises, stipends, etc) but aren’t budging on the work from home cancelations. It was 5 days a week in office 4 months ago. 3days/2days alternating 2 months ago. And 2 days a week last I checked

Plenty of people are doing the same
Lol @ trying to pretend like vaxcuck big tech types aren't devoted leftists.
post 1658975203 04-01-2022, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I let my employees work from home briefly and never will again. Been there, done that, lesson learned.

Our generation has become so damn lazy they don't even want to leave the house.
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post 1658975353 04-01-2022, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
Lol @ trying to pretend like vaxcuck big tech types aren't devoted leftists.
Doesn’t change the fact that the smart people job hopping around at FAANG are both hard working and qualified
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post 1658976133 04-01-2022, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Doesn’t change the fact that the smart people job hopping around at FAANG are both hard working and qualified
Well okay but good workers aren't the politically obsessed types trying to get fired for their politics. Nobody will miss these people, and as you said, there's apparently no shortage of replacements.
post 1658976543 04-01-2022, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
Well okay but good workers aren't the politically obsessed types trying to get fired for their politics. Nobody will miss these people, and as you said, there's apparently no shortage of replacements.
No shortage of replacements but the company suffers in the end because they lose long-term knowledge retention. Employees win because they get their salary jumps each job hop

I’m definitely curious to see what the 5-7 year ramifications are of the 2021-2022 IT job hopping boom are. I wouldn’t be surprised if software ends up degrading as software architects keep moving around for example
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post 1658976983 04-01-2022, 10:13 PM
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Notice most people who dont want to go back to work are lazy leftists. Essentially nothing has changed.

Hard work and liberals are like oil and water.

It doesn't take a study to understand people in office are held more accountable, are able to work more closely with their peers, bounce ideas off each other, and become a better team for the good of the company and their own careers.

Of course leftists never understand simple logic so they'll find some random study done on tech geeks who are used to working remote before covid anyways to try and prove their ridiculous theory that people working from home are better or more productive. Just that statement alone is lol worthy.
post 1658977123 04-01-2022, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
Notice most people who dont want to go back to work are lazy leftists. Essentially nothing has changed.

Hard work and liberals are like oil and water.

It doesn't take a study to understand people in office are held more accountable, are able to work more closely with their peers, bounce ideas off each other, and become a better team for the good of the company and their own careers.

Of course leftists never understand simple logic so they'll find some random study done on tech geeks who are used to working remote before covid anyways to try and prove their ridiculous theory that people working from home are better or more productive. Just that statement alone is lol worthy.
You sound like the guy who believed the primary elements were earth, fire, and water before the periodic table of elements stated coming into play lol. “It doesn’t take a study” and “simple logic” dictates that people are happier and more productive when they don’t work 10 hour days factoring in commuting. They’re more productive when they get to work to live rather than living to work. I’m guessing you think working 80 hour weeks is something to be proud of.

Programming output is quantified by tasks done. More tasks are done now, at home, than previously in the office. How do you spin that as less productive than before? This is measurable via Azure, Jira, etc.


Unless you think the people who brought you every single major website/app/operating system are just lazy. In that case sure, you win 100%
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post 1658977253 04-01-2022, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted By semenreleaser⏩
Incredibly short-sited by Apple. I'm sure just about anyone with a resume that shows they worked at Apple as an engineer will have absolutely no problem finding a high-paying fully remote job. Watch Apple replace them all with unqualified diversity hires, then we can lol as their product turns to complete ****.
I'm sure Apple won't have problem finding replacement engineer who will work for less just to get the Apple name on his resume either. It cuts both ways.
post 1658977333 04-01-2022, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
No shortage of replacements but the company suffers in the end because they lose long-term knowledge retention. Employees win because they get their salary jumps each job hop

I’m definitely curious to see what the 5-7 year ramifications are of the 2021-2022 IT job hopping boom are. I wouldn’t be surprised if software ends up degrading as software architects keep moving around for example
Pretty sure Apple isn't going to suffer if they lose a few blue checkmark diversity hires. They were never there for their talent.
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
Pretty sure Apple isn't going to suffer if they lose a few blue checkmark diversity hires. They were never there for their talent.
I don’t think that’s all they’re losing. Idk. I’m just basing it off of my experience and what I hear from friends from other companies. Seems tech employees as a whole are starting to prioritize their own well-being over being some peon in a mega-corporation. Call it entitlement I guess
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post 1658977483 04-01-2022, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
I don’t think that’s all they’re losing.
It doesn't matter. Nobody worth a damm is gonna quit over some bullchit politics.
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Originally Posted By metroins⏩
If the job can be completed from home, it should be. Commuting wastes so much productivity and office politics is right up there with commuting.

Title of thread should be "apple employees don't want to return to commuting and sharing bathrooms" they are already working.
fire them if they wont do what they are told

fire them without severance since they refuse to do their duties

replace them with eager immigrants who will do the job ffs
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Absolutely fire any of those cucks before they can quit
Since they are not full filling duties they will get zero unemployment. Stupid azzholes get rekt
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Call it entitlement I guess
First smart thing you've said itt. Repped
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First smart thing you've said itt. Repped
Meh. I’m happy employees aren’t worshipping their employers anymore. A company owes me nothing and I owe nothing to it. My labor has value, I put my own price and constraints on it. They have their requirements and if we don’t have a common ground, I can find an employer who will. If I can’t, I’ll compromise. If they can’t, they’l compromise.
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Meh. I’m happy employees aren’t worshipping their employers anymore. A company owes me nothing and I owe nothing to it. My labor has value, I put my own price and constraints on it. They have their requirements and if we don’t have a common ground, I can find an employer who will. If I can’t, I’ll compromise. If they can’t, they’l compromise.
Thus that is why they are so easily replaceable. No passion, anybody who fulfills the basic requirements will do the same work.
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Originally Posted By JayJ350⏩
Thus that is why they are so easily replaceable. No passion, anybody who fulfills the basic requirements will do the same work.
Maybe. I’m confident my own mobility is greater than a company’s ability to replace me for the compensation I ask

I have a passion for learning and doing good work, not for a specific company, and apparently that makes me pretty valuable. But then again I don’t do work that has basic requirements. People who don’t have that same confidence might be in trouble when the big companies crack down their whips
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
- land. Apple invested what, a billion dollars, into their campus? They want their employees to justify that cost fro them.
- middle management needing to be able to hover/micromanage to justify their jobs. Wfh has proved the majority of middle management’s work to be entirely redundant.
^^^

Commercial real estate owners have realised the value of their property is now a whole lot less, and useless middle management are being exposed as the useless cnts they always were.
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Maybe. I’m confident my own mobility is greater than a company’s ability to replace me for the compensation I ask

I have a passion for learning and doing good work, not for a specific company, and apparently that makes me pretty valuable. But then again I don’t do work that has basic requirements. People who don’t have that same confidence might be in trouble when the big companies crack down their whips
If you're working for people you can be easily replaced. There's always a lot of talk about the best this or that who works for whoever, but at the end of the day the only thing that matters is what they are passionate about, because that is the difference maker.
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
Meh. I’m happy employees aren’t worshipping their employers anymore. A company owes me nothing and I owe nothing to it. My labor has value, I put my own price and constraints on it. They have their requirements and if we don’t have a common ground, I can find an employer who will. If I can’t, I’ll compromise. If they can’t, they’l compromise.
Biden laughing gif. He's literally only a few votes away from allowing Wall St/Big tech, etc to bring over as many highly educated/skilled foreign born workers as they want(unlimited)...which means your labor is in the early stages of having next to zero value.

When an employer as 50 highly qualified candidates for one opening....there is no compromising. You simply accept the terms of employment or the next guy does.
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Originally Posted By bartosh⏩
There’s a few reasons management/execs want people going back to work

- land. Apple invested what, a billion dollars, into their campus? They want their employees to justify that cost fro them.
- middle management needing to be able to hover/micromanage to justify their jobs. Wfh has proved the majority of middle management’s work to be entirely redundant.
- boomers being boomers

1 day a week is more than enough to get the networking aspect re-kindled. 1 day a month even.




Funny. objective metrics has shown that performance increased since working from home across plenty of major IT companies. You can cope all you want with making up anecdotal evidence but that’s the truth



Nope. Performance went up in top IT companies during the work from home era. Cope harder
this.
productivity went up for my whole department working from home.
people did tend to work a little longer but putting in an extra hour a day vs 2 hrs a day sitting in a car commuting? yeah i didn't mind.
Also, being technology workers getting paid more than most = we are just good workers.
we didn't get there by being unproductive.
our bosses don't need to micro manage us or even check in all that often with us because they know they can count on us to make them look good on the regular.
when they look good we look good and the promotions come.

As for common office workers....the people with liberal arts degree's just working there because it isn't retail and not manual labor, well i've hear rumors of people taking advantage and focking off when they should of been working.
but those people do that in the office anyways.
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Originally Posted By metroins⏩
If the job can be completed from home, it should be. Commuting wastes so much productivity and office politics is right up there with commuting.

Title of thread should be "apple employees don't want to return to commuting and sharing bathrooms" they are already working.
depending on the type of job, the quality of work can suffer. i've had all kinds of issues over the past two years dealing with phone tech support people who have been working from home. constantly hearing their dogs barking or kids yelling in the background. they become distracted, screw things up for me in their system, and then i have to waste more time calling the company a few days later to get things corrected.

working from home makes people too relaxed, which makes many of them lose focus.
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Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩
Biden laughing gif. He's literally only a few votes away from allowing Wall St/Big tech, etc to bring over as many highly educated/skilled foreign born workers as they want(unlimited)...which means your labor is in the early stages of having next to zero value.

When an employer as 50 highly qualified candidates for one opening....there is no compromising. You simply accept the terms of employment or the next guy does.
I’m not sure you’re familiar with how outsourcing in IT works. The highly skilled people are near impossible to outsource. It’s pretty difficult to outsource the crowd that makes >150k, let alone the crowd that makes >300k (which is a good chunk of senior developers in the FAANG companies. Senior developers are what I’m generally referring to in my discussion). The low level menial tasks get outsourced regularly but I’ve seen teams try to outsource skilled dev work, get back a terrible product, and then have to spend even more money undoing the work the outsourced people did. Been seeing it since my first day at my first career job. time after time after time.

Maybe in 10-15 years the dynamic will shift a bit
Originally Posted By ispy⏩
depending on the type of job, the quality of work can suffer. i've had all kinds of issues over the past two years dealing with phone tech support people who have been working from home. constantly hearing their dogs barking or kids yelling in the background. they become distracted, screw things up for me in their system, and then i have to waste more time calling the company a few days later to get things corrected.

working from home makes people too relaxed, which makes many of them lose focus.
100% depends on the type of job. In the context of Apple, I don’t think the article is referring to the people that you are. They are people who get paid enough to have a solid home work environment. In the case you’re talking about, I agree with you.

Like let’s set some arbitrary salary. If a IT worker makes over 150k, they can probably be entirely fine working from home. If they make under 70k, probably not. In between, managerial discretion.
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If you can be just as productive at home then you should work from home. Even just not having to commute means you can get an extra 30 min to an hour or so in extra each day

I like being in the office but I can see the appeal of fully wfh
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Apple. A leftist corporation forcing employees to drive their gas guzzlers to work and occupy an energy intensive building. You guys mention driving being bad for the environment, but buildings use tons of energy as well. Lol at trying to justify useless middle management and a gargantuan edifice while trying to force your workers into a LESS efficient work mode.
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