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post 1661614793 05-20-2022, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted By blissful88⏩
People that are perpetually angry at the world are often agnostic; meanwhile those involved in medical science are most often religious even though on paper they contradict each other


I didn't understand it until I personally witnessed a pregnant woman'slemon-sizedtumor disappear literally overnight, surgeon went in to remove it and it wasgone..not a single cancer marker to be found after weeks..

There is nothing that can medically explain such a thing, it's impossible; it had to be a kind of cosmic intervention with the ability to alter biology itself



There is 100% a dimensional being out there existing on a plane that we cannot interact with; a God

Do I believe God interacts with humanity on this ball of iron? No.. but there is a design of destiny that was weaved from the start of existence itself
Banned smh.

Whatever whack fantasy story this dude is going on about above, not based in one shred of evidence besides him merely claiming it... it doesnt even make sense fromwithinthe perspective of some benevolent God looking out for his people. For clearly there are people dying from cancer all around the world, every single day, probably over 1000 a day, and to postulate God swept in to save this one person and let the rest die is just stupid.

Of course there isnt one shred of evidence for the dishonest tripe given above though. If such a miracle happened, this guy would be publishing this event in Nature or perhaps the most prestigious medical journal.....yet here we are, with some guy just saying something on a bb forum. Huh.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Banned smh.

Whatever whack fantasy story this dude is going on about above, not based in one shred of evidence besides him merely claiming it... it doesnt even make sense fromwithinthe perspective of some benevolent God looking out for his people. For clearly there are people dying from cancer all around the world, every single day, probably over 1000 a day, and to postulate God swept in to save this one person and let the rest die is just stupid.



Of course there isnt one shred of evidence for the dishonest tripe given above though. If such a miracle happened, this guy would be publishing this event in Nature or perhaps the most prestigious medical journal.....yet here we are, with some guy just saying something on a bb forum. Huh.
Why would God cure everyone of all sickness and disease? Then we would be in heaven. We are not in heaven yet. We are in a fallen world.
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Originally Posted By HayZues
Lol @ sky fairycels
When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. Enjoy being pointless cattle to whoever has the will to power to rule over you and decide to do what they want with you and your genetic lineage
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
Banned smh.

Whatever whack fantasy story this dude is going on about above, not based in one shred of evidence besides him merely claiming it... it doesnt even make sense fromwithinthe perspective of some benevolent God looking out for his people. For clearly there are people dying from cancer all around the world, every single day, probably over 1000 a day, and to postulate God swept in to save this one person and let the rest die is just stupid.

Of course there isnt one shred of evidence for the dishonest tripe given above though. If such a miracle happened, this guy would be publishing this event in Nature or perhaps the most prestigious medical journal.....yet here we are, with some guy just saying something on a bb forum. Huh.
Kind of harsh. I also question the idea that God allows thousands to suffer and die but swoops in to save some fat American as odd, but at the same time I don't think he's being dishonest or lying about it. I just think something happened that could not be explained by our limited modern science and he's assumed it was God. Just as if I went back to ancient eras with a lighter and lit up a cigarette, I'd been perceived as a powerful Wizard.

Crazy he's banned. Meanwhile Bodhy calls Jews **** and makes Holocaust jokes and gets nothing -- usually the mods are tough on antisemitism too.
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Originally Posted By SevenFigures⏩
Why would God cure everyone of all sickness and disease? Then we would be in heaven. We are not in heaven yet. We are in a fallen world.
Perhaps you are misunderstanding the point of that post: why is he curingthat one personand not others? I mean there is no curing going on here, it's a non-evidenced claim (read: fantasy) made up by some miscer, but that's besides the point.

We could go on into the ridiculousness of what "fallen world" even means when the concept of a first pair of humans living on earth some thousands of years ago is thoroughly discredited by modern science, yada yada, as well as much of the rest of that book of the bible, but it would be a tangent and not worth the effort.

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Kind of harsh. I also question the idea that God allows thousands to suffer and die but swoops in to save some fat American as odd, but at the same time I don't think he's being dishonest or lying about it. I just think something happened that could not be explained by our limited modern science and he's assumed it was God. Just as if I went back to ancient eras with a lighter and lit up a cigarette, I'd been perceived as a powerful Wizard.

Crazy he's banned. Meanwhile Bodhy calls Jews **** and makes Holocaust jokes and gets nothing -- usually the mods are tough on antisemitism too.
Someone saying that a lemon-sized tumor simply disappeared and vanished in thin air overnight? Yea sorry Im calling that dishonest.

Why would you believe someone online merely saying that happened, without evidence? I continue to be amazed just how gullible some people can be on here.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Lol @ Godless society Clown World even harder. At this point, even if every word in the Bible is fake, it and what it represents and people who follow it are 1,000,000 times greater than the absence of it.



Give that puke another $40,000,000,000 to divvy up and pass around to coked out Satanists while our kids are being screamed at to cut off their dicks and breasts while shooting up hormones. Fuk off.
exactly man.

Its called faith.

People without faith, even blind faith, are truly lost people. Humans need greater power than themselves or we have a situation where the earth is populated by 8 billion people who all think they are their own God.

The most evil trick they have played is getting people to lose faith. Now we have a bunch of lost souls with no direction just doing whatever base instinct motivates them. Look at women and whats happened to family structure without direction and faith.

Not a world I want to live in. And its going to get much much worse.
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If there is an omnipotent, loving god explain Sandy Hook. Explain childhood cancer, and starvation ESPECIALLY when the places with the highest starvation are very religious. Explain why there isn't a shred of REAL evidence that a god exists. Why are there 100 inconsistencies in the bible. Do you REALLY think a guy put 2 of every animal on a boat? lol Religion is a fuking cancer and just virtue signaling for people who, most of the time, are pos. It's the biggest farce of human existence. Speaking of...did dinos exist? lol How old is earth again? That fictitious book has been disproven time and time again.
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We are in a journey, in this life, it's about getting to know God, our source, I hope and pray you all find God (John 3:16)
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Originally Posted By natypes⏩
How can a grown man of average intelligence actually believe ANY of this shyt? I truly don't understand. The bible is the biggest bunch of bullshyt ever written lol. It's just beyond silly really.
This lol. Once you stop being religious and watch a church service or read the bible, it really is culty. "You must believe in something with no evidence or you're going to burn in hell!" lmao
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Originally Posted By natypes⏩
If there is an omnipotent, loving god explain Sandy Hook. Explain childhood cancer, and starvation ESPECIALLY when the places with the highest starvation are very religious. Explain why there isn't a shred of REAL evidence that a god exists. Why are there 100 inconsistencies in the bible. Do you REALLY think a guy put 2 of every animal on a boat? lol Religion is a fuking cancer and just virtue signaling for people who, most of the time, are pos. It's the biggest farce of human existence. Speaking of...did dinos exist? lol How old is earth again? That fictitious book has been disproven time and time again.
One of the side effects of religion has been pragmatic adaptation that has helped groups evolve over time, this is just one side effect that has been positive. A positive evolution adaptation can not be wrong and is the will of God or the universe or whatever you want to call it. To think we as people should understand everything in totality is insane. As the famous philosopher Terry Davis wrote "What’s reality? I don’t know. When my bird was looking at my computer monitor I thought, ‘That bird has no idea what he’s looking at.’ And yet what does the bird do? Does he panic? No, he can’t really panic, he just does the best he can. Is he able to live in a world where he’s so ignorant? Well, he doesn’t really have a choice. The bird is okay even though he doesn’t understand the world. You’re that bird looking at the monitor, and you’re thinking to yourself, ‘I can figure this out.’ Maybe you have some bird ideas. Maybe that’s the best you can do"

We are limited to our bird brains and its not realistic to understand what will always be out of scope, the only thing you can do is live how nature intends.

Even in the Garden of Eden snakes roamed, not everything can be how we want it to be and its not up to us anyway
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Jordan Peterson interpreted this I think on a recent release.

His analysis kind of makes sense tbh.
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Originally Posted By mp83⏩
This lol. Once you stop being religious and watch a church service or read the bible, it really is culty. "You must believe in something with no evidence or you're going to burn in hell!" lmao
Out of curiosity, I made the point -- even if it was 100% made up, seeing the wreck modern man has made out of society and culture with it's move away from the Bible and it's teachings, I still stand firm that even if fake, we're better off being faithful to it and it's ideals.

Clown World only exists because we moved away from the Bible. Not even saying the Bible is true and the Word of God or that you're going to Hell, just that - we're all better off with it than without. Every day that becomes more and more clear.

For the longest time, I had friends who were decent and moral who were agnostic or atheists and I myself greatly struggle with Faith and linger around thoughts of agnosticism, so I didn't think it was necessary or a driving force to universally make people better or good. I was wrong though; I see now what happens to man if left lawless and to their own devices and it's not pretty or moral.
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i only ascribe to the new testament. the old is like the koran. no thanks jeff
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You can't just fork the bible like it's the blockchain.

The old Testament is what I'm hodling. Diamond hands.
lmao I somewhat struggled with this too, but you have to take the bible as it is, a chronological set of stories written by man, by word from God. The men who wrote those stories did their best to describe what God wanted at the times they were written. Once God decided to send his own son to be the sacrificial lamb it changed everything. And much of the old testament is for Jews, not us.
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Originally Posted By natypes⏩
If there is an omnipotent, loving god explain Sandy Hook. Explain childhood cancer, and starvation ESPECIALLY when the places with the highest starvation are very religious. Explain why there isn't a shred of REAL evidence that a god exists. Why are there 100 inconsistencies in the bible. Do you REALLY think a guy put 2 of every animal on a boat? lol Religion is a fuking cancer and just virtue signaling for people who, most of the time, are pos. It's the biggest farce of human existence. Speaking of...did dinos exist? lol How old is earth again? That fictitious book has been disproven time and time again.
I used to think like this too. Its not Gods fault these things happen. They happen because of the evil acts of men or simply because of biology. I think we can both agree to that. He wont stop it because I guess he doesn't see it as his place to do so, and I would suppose from his point of view death isnt seen as tragic or to be feared. Like any parent they aren't going to intervene for every little thing.
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The general moral intuitions of most religions answer a lot of questions humans encounter.

It does not mean it is all true
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Originally Posted By Underwrought⏩
I used to think like this too. Its not Gods fault these things happen. They happen because of the evil acts of men or simply because of biology. I think we can both agree to that. He wont stop it because I guess he doesn't see it as his place to do so, and I would suppose from his point of view death isnt seen as tragic or to be feared. Like any parent they aren't going to intervene for every little thing.
The amount of cope and excuses in this post is mind blowing. So Sandy hook was a 'little thing'? All the thousands of children that have died of cancer is a 'little thing'. And why do you keep saying 'him/he' Does god have a sex? lmao So you think you can pray and this "god" can make things happen, yet he doesn't want to do shyt about kids getting murdered lmao. "Yay, I got that promotion" meanwhile in Africa kids are literally starving to death. You could at least admit that he is an unjust god, right?
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Originally Posted By mp83⏩
This lol. Once you stop being religious and watch a church service or read the bible, it really is culty. "You must believe in something with no evidence or you're going to burn in hell!" lmao
All people are fallible even the people that lead services. Some of the best long form philosophical discussion ive heard was from a catholic youtube channel called Pints with Aquinas
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Originally Posted By mp83⏩
This lol. Once you stop being religious and watch a church service or read the bible, it really is culty. "You must believe in something with no evidence or you're going to burn in hell!" lmao
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Originally Posted By Fang2⏩
This is what Jesus most likely looked like

"6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they sneer and shake their heads:"
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Anyone ever wonder how he died for our sins if he died before we were born? i.e. before we sinned...????
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Originally Posted By HayZues
Lol @ sky fairycels
Wait, who created you?
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Wait, who created you?
His parents.
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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩
His parents.
Go on.

And?
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Anyone ever wonder how he died for our sins if he died before we were born? i.e. before we sinned...????
He knew you before you were born. God is outside of time.


"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be." Psalm 139:16

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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Go on.

And?
And parent's parents, etc etc. A tree of ancestors. Far enough back in time the parents would be some kind of ancestral primate, further back a reptile, further back a fish, eventually back to some kind of cellular life and ultimately abiogenesis (the materials involved ultimately coming from space- heavier elements the ash of previous stars etc).

If you are asking what created the universe (which is quite different than asking what createdhim), that question is assuming it was created, which is unknown and not necessarily a just assumption. In fact essentially nothing about it is known. Perhaps the cosmos has existed forever. To claim with any certainty it was God without evidence isnt good form (much less a god specific to a certain religion)....and if you do claim this, I may as well ask you the question you just asked him- what created this God.
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Just lol @ not believing in God

You got nothing to lose if you're wrong

Just lol@ playing Russian Roulette
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Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Just lol @ not believing in God

You got nothing to lose if you're wrong

Just lol@ playing Russian Roulette
As are you, with the various religions out there you dont believe in...even the most trivially invented ones, no matter how implausible.

I imagine you arent losing sleep at night over it.
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