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Is it really a rush though? It’s been like 2 years.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus
This was never about safety
People have been saying this for 2 years now. Virtually everything is back to normal, there was no great reset, we weren’t microchiped, wtf was it about than?
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This chit has netted BILLIONS of dollars, and now that more adults are getting away from these useless jabs, they have to open the market of panicel parents with 4 year olds.

Lambos arent free, experimental jabs are.
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Originally Posted By navid93
People have been saying this for 2 years now. Virtually everything is back to normal, there was no great reset, we weren’t microchiped, wtf was it about than?
Lmao @ back to normal.... I dont remember seeing EUA's like this before covid, or paying $6/gallon for gas, or seeing a brand new pharmaceutical company make $10 billion dollars from the first drug they ever had approved.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987
they test every dead body for covid regardless if there were ever any symptoms, even car crash victims.
This is true. Some high up CDC lady even acknowledge it on the air. It’s stupid.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN
Lmao @ back to normal.... I dont remember seeing EUA's like this before covid, or paying $6/gallon for gas, or seeing a brand new pharmaceutical company make $10 billion dollars from the first drug they ever had approved.
True
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how many children must die first in your opinion?
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
how many children must die first in your opinion?
Well how many children will suffer life altering conditions from the vaccine. Listen I understand that one child death from covid is one too many. I just also believe vaccinating kids for it whenever we have seen what has happen to adults is dangerous.
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Originally Posted By ItsJamesthefin
Well how many children will suffer life altering conditions from the vaccine. Listen I understand that one child death from covid is one too many. I just also believe vaccinating kids for it whenever we have seen what has happen to adults is dangerous.
I think its been concluded by the vast majority of medical experts that covid is a bigger risk than the vax
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Originally Posted By redraider86
Untreated parental anxiety, I guess? It seems like most of these measures were put in place because the parents had terrible anxiety problems that were left to fester.
Exactly. And our government and media have continued to crank up anxiety instead of presenting an objective view.

Children are really, REALLY unlikely to die from Covid-19
New data shows the infection fatality rate keeps getting lower
A new study out as a pre-print uses detailed analysis of these cases in the UK to shed some new light on the risk of death to children from Covid-19.

Spoiler alert: it is really, really, really low.

Looking at each variant, the risk of death declined quite significantly for each subsequent wave. The IFR for the original virus was 1/100,000, for Alpha was 0.8/100,000 and for Delta was 0.6/100,000 (no data yet for Omicron, but given we know it is significantly less virulent than Delta we can expect this to fall further still).

The overall risk of death for people aged <20 years from Covid-19 during this time period was 0.7 deaths per 100,000 infections (7 per million, or 0.0007%). This is the same as the average risk of death to someone runnjng a marathon, going skiing for 10 days, or going on a return flight from London to New York City.
https://alasdairmunro.substack.com/p...eally-unlikely
Originally Posted By davik
i trust the scientific elite. they tend to be right in the end, even if you dont see it now
It is at best a failed experiment.

From 2021 on effectiveness. This was the absolute best case when the relative risk reduction was being touted as high as 95%:
Absolute Risk Reduction [ARRs] tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...069-0/fulltext

Now we've got some analysis of Serious Adverse Events:

Serious Adverse Events of Special Interest Following mRNA Vaccination in Randomized Trials
Results:

Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an increased risk of serious adverse events of special interest, with an absolute risk increase of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 (95% CI -0.4 to 20.6 and -3.6 to 33.8), respectively. Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an absolute risk increase of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 (95% CI 2.1 to 22.9).The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively).
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=4125239

^^^
From their own trial data the jabs were never worth it.

And if it wasn't bad enough that the shots don't offer much protection [and any protection they do give fades fast], and that the risk from serious adverse events is greater than the benefit in reduced hospitalizations now we have these too:

Covid shots reduce natural immunity:

Innate immune suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes, and MicroRNAs



https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...7869152200206X

Vaccinated getting more severe covid:

https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/06...-survey-finds/
The article, which has been uploaded to the preprint server ResearchGate, relied on data from over 18,500 respondents across 175 countries. Analysis revealed that individuals unvaccinated against COVID-19 reported fewer instances of hospitalization in comparison to their vaccinated counterparts.

MSN – a news website launched by vaccine enthusiast Bill Gates’s Microsoft in 1995 – covered the study, titling its article “Severe COVID-19 ‘Rare’ In Unvaccinated People,” but appears to have taken down the story since its publication. Archived versions of the article are still available, however.

The survey follows additional studies reaching similar conclusions about the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccine. A Koch Institute report assessing data from the German government, for example, found that 80 percent of cases of the Omicron variant occurred in fully vaccinated people in the country.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
I think its been concluded by the vast majority of medical experts that covid is a bigger risk than the vax
No. It has "been concluded" by a small number of people at the FDA who have then told the "medical experts" that the vax is "safe and effective".

However when you look at the source documents submitted by Pfizer there is no basis for said approval.

- risk to young children is very minor

- initial effectiveness is nearly non-existent

- from their own data they predict more children will be hospitalized with myocarditis than will be kept out of hospital from the shots

- we now have evidence that the shots damage natural immunity and increase your chance of contracting covid sogiving your child these shots will increase their number of illnesses

UK tv clip at this link with data from UK healthshowing the effectiveness at below zero- meaning having the shots increases your illness.







"If you are 60 or over the triple jabbed are 5 times more likely to get Covid."
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Originally Posted By katya422
No. It has "been concluded" by a small number of people at the FDA who have then told the "medical experts" that the vax is "safe and effective".

However when you look at the source documents submitted by Pfizer there is no basis for said approval.

- risk to young children is very minor

- initial effectiveness is nearly non-existent

- from their own data they predict more children will be hospitalized with myocarditis than will be kept out of hospital from the shots

- we now have evidence that the shots damage natural immunity and increase your chance of contracting covid sogiving your child these shots will increase their number of illnesses

UK tv clip at this link with data from UK healthshowing the effectiveness at below zero- meaning having the shots increases your illness.







"If you are 60 or over the triple jabbed are 5 times more likely to get Covid."
Lol
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
I think its been concluded by the vast majority of medical experts that covid is a bigger risk than the vax
This is the perfect example on an NPC post. Couldn't have been more perfect.
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A lot of countries have banned these jabs for kids under 16 or 12 years old. Yet some US parents are going to get their 2 yr olds injected? Strong wtf. It's safe to say 95-99% of kids over age 2 have already had this virus at least once, giving them superior immunity than these vaccines that Pfizer's own studies show are at best 0% effective for young kids. Parents giving their 2-5 yr olds these jabs should catch a beating. Nothing too severe, but a beating nonetheless.
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Originally Posted By katya422
No. It has "been concluded" by a small number of people at the FDA who have then told the "medical experts" that the vax is "safe and effective".

However when you look at the source documents submitted by Pfizer there is no basis for said approval.

- risk to young children is very minor

- initial effectiveness is nearly non-existent

- from their own data they predict more children will be hospitalized with myocarditis than will be kept out of hospital from the shots

- we now have evidence that the shots damage natural immunity and increase your chance of contracting covid sogiving your child these shots will increase their number of illnesses

UK tv clip at this link with data from UK healthshowing the effectiveness at below zero- meaning having the shots increases your illness.







"If you are 60 or over the triple jabbed are 5 times more likely to get Covid."
You're conveniently leaving out deaths from covid. The benefit of the vax is that those who get covid get less severe symptoms and less likely to die. You havent disproven that.
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They want more kids to die, obvi
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Originally Posted By Barteh
This is the perfect example on an NPC post. Couldn't have been more perfect.
The only NPCs are mouthbreathing miscers that push conspiracy theories over science
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
You're conveniently leaving out deaths from covid. The benefit of the vax is that those who get covid get less severe symptoms and less likely to die. You havent disproven that.
Sigh...

I posted this article above.

And it isn't about "proving that these vaccines have ZERO benefits re: covid", it is that the benefits are extremely small vs. the risks.

Posted above:
Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an increased risk of serious adverse events of special interest, with an absolute risk increase of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 (95% CI -0.4 to 20.6 and -3.6 to 33.8), respectively.

Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an absolute risk increase of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 (95% CI 2.1 to 22.9).

The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively).
At this time the most common identified risks from these injections are vascular damage [blood clots, myocarditis] and reduced immunity to contracting covid due to knocking down the innate immune system [triple jabbed = 5X higher rate of covid].

The risk of experiencing severe covid [hospitalization or death] is quite low for anyone who is under age 50 and/or not obese/immuno compromised.

Meanwhile, besides being more likely to be infected with symptomatic covid is higher + now there has been a study that found the vaccinated had a higher rate of severity of disease.
The article, which has been uploaded to the preprint server ResearchGate, relied on data from over 18,500 respondents across 175 countries. Analysis revealed that individuals unvaccinated against COVID-19 reported fewer instances of hospitalization in comparison to their vaccinated counterparts.
https://web.archive.org/web/20220616...510f63fc2a996f

It is not an absolute proof given nature of who did the survey and who chose to respond to it, BUT the large sample size IMO raises it above mere anecdote.

Have you considered that the people most likely to get vaccinated and/or get multiple doses is a group likely to contain more people who can't tolerate physical illness well in general? That they have what you might call a "weak constitution"?

If people who don't tolerate illness well get a treatment to prevent illness, but instead the treatment causes them to be ill MORE OFTEN and their physical systems get even more worn down then the net effect on that group would be higher morbidity/mortality?

I see NO UPSIDE at this point.
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Originally Posted By katya422
Sigh...

I posted this article above.

And it isn't about "proving that these vaccines have ZERO benefits re: covid", it is that the benefits are extremely small vs. the risks.

Posted above:



At this time the most common identified risks from these injections are vascular damage [blood clots, myocarditis] and reduced immunity to contracting covid due to knocking down the innate immune system [triple jabbed = 5X higher rate of covid].

The risk of experiencing severe covid [hospitalization or death] is quite low for anyone who is under age 50 and/or not obese/immuno compromised.

Meanwhile, besides being more likely to be infected with symptomatic covid is higher + now there has been a study that found the vaccinated had a higher rate of severity of disease.



https://web.archive.org/web/20220616...510f63fc2a996f

It is not an absolute proof given nature of who did the survey and who chose to respond to it, BUT the large sample size IMO raises it above mere anecdote.

Have you considered that the people most likely to get vaccinated and/or get multiple doses is a group likely to contain more people who can't tolerate physical illness well in general? That they have what you might call a "weak constitution"?

If people who don't tolerate illness well get a treatment to prevent illness, but instead the treatment causes them to be ill MORE OFTEN and their physical systems get even more worn down then the net effect on that group would be higher morbidity/mortality?

I see NO UPSIDE at this point.
I get what you're saying overall, however the metric people were looking at is covid deaths and hospitalizations, so if you can say the vaccine helps reduce those, the vaccine works and has the benefits people were looking for.

If you personally feel the risk from covid isnt worth it, thats fine but thats not how everyone feels.
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Now how many of those kids had serious comorbidities like cancer or diabetes
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
I get what you're saying overall, however the metric people were looking at is covid deaths and hospitalizations, so if you can say the vaccine helps reduce those, the vaccine works and has the benefits people were looking for.

If you personally feel the risk from covid isnt worth it, thats fine but thats not how everyone feels.
See, that is what is so maddening about this push to give the shots to children- it isn't about how I FEEL, it is shown in their own data, but they still approved it and are still pushing it.

IIRC that started with the age 5 to age 11 group where in their own documentation they disclosed thatfor something like 1 million doses of their product for every single child that avoids being admitted to ICU for covid there will be 34 children that are admitted to ICU for myocarditis.

^^^
That isn't a feelings thing. That isn't a conspiracy thing. That is from their own data.

AFAIK the US is the ONLY country giving it to children under age 5.
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Originally Posted By Dogkrack
depopulation through sterilization. i only wish they would push vaxxx to children in inner cities to address white supremacy. maybe make food stamps contingent on it
They would only do thst if they were rooting for the usa op. As soon as whites become a true minority and it’s a 3rd world country the gov will surrender and the usa will either okay world of Warcraft with nukes or just destroy itself because the country will be a hell hole. All my jobs always fall apart because whites get fired or they leave. Same thing is happening again. Literally just had a meeting about our company is on the line and everyone sits around playing on their cellphones not doing a darn thing. They owe me dis and dat. They ain’t goin nowhere.
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Originally Posted By katya422
See, that is what is so maddening about this push to give the shots to children- it isn't about how I FEEL, it is shown in their own data, but they still approved it and are still pushing it.

IIRC that started with the age 5 to age 11 group where in their own documentation they disclosed thatfor something like 1 million doses of their product for every single child that avoids being admitted to ICU for covid there will be 34 children that are admitted to ICU for myocarditis.

^^^
That isn't a feelings thing. That isn't a conspiracy thing. That is from their own data.

AFAIK the US is the ONLY country giving it to children under age 5.
The US is also the only country with a right to bare arms but you probably support that. since when does what everyone else does matter?

if I believe everything you say, what is the reason medical experts support vaccinating children? Surely they know everything you've said better than even you do since they do it for a living.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
The US is also the only country with a right to bare arms but you probably support that. since when does what everyone else does matter?

if I believe everything you say, what is the reason medical experts support vaccinating children? Surely they know everything you've said better than even you do since they do it for a living.
Plenty of experts do NOT support it, however whatever their credentials may be they are attacked in some way [smeared, cancelled, labeled, etc.].

The men who wrote the Great Barrington Declaration were highly qualified and it appears that they were correct in their analysis. But Fauci et. al. went after them hard and quite deliberately. There is documentation of this.

I believe what many fail to grasp is the insane amount of money that is at stake re: mrna vaccines.

It is documented that people working for the FDA receive "royalties" from pharma companies. It was pried loose via a FOI request. Said document however did not disclose how much money each FDA employee received and from what companies.

If it can be proven that the information given to get the EUA was fraudulent then the liability shield is null and void and the company becomes liable for damages.

If the mrna shots for covid are added to the "childhood schedule of vaccines" then the protection against claims is nearly iron-clad AND any damages paid would be the responsibility of the vaccine injury fund which is funded by the US government- IOW taxpayers.


Clear enough yet?

fraud = civil and possibly criminal liability

childhood vaccine schedule = taxpayers are responsible for paying damages
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Originally Posted By katya422
Plenty of experts do NOT support it, however whatever their credentials may be they are attacked in some way [smeared, cancelled, labeled, etc.].

The men who wrote the Great Barrington Declaration were highly qualified and it appears that they were correct in their analysis. But Fauci et. al. went after them hard and quite deliberately. There is documentation of this.

I believe what many fail to grasp is the insane amount of money that is at stake re: mrna vaccines.

It is documented that people working for the FDA receive "royalties" from pharma companies. It was pried loose via a FOI request. Said document however did not disclose how much money each FDA employee received and from what companies.

If it can be proven that the information given to get the EUA was fraudulent then the liability shield is null and void and the company becomes liable for damages.

If the mrna shots for covid are added to the "childhood schedule of vaccines" then the protection against claims is nearly iron-clad AND any damages paid would be the responsibility of the vaccine injury fund which is funded by the US government- IOW taxpayers.


Clear enough yet?

fraud = civil and possibly criminal liability

childhood vaccine schedule = taxpayers are responsible for paying damages
so you're pushing a conspiracy theory. Look I know money is the root of most evil but let's be clear. People with nothing to gain or lose whatsoever believe in these vaccines.

One of my best friends is an ivy league educated doctor. He has no reason to lie to me about his opinion on the vaccine. He's all for it. Is he wrong?
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Originally Posted By seanb1979
Now how many of those kids had serious comorbidities like cancer or diabetes
100%. Even a fat kid with asthma will survive the rona.
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
so you're pushing a conspiracy theory. Look I know money is the root of most evil but let's be clear. People with nothing to gain or lose whatsoever believe in these vaccines.

One of my best friends is an ivy league educated doctor. He has no reason to lie to me about his opinion on the vaccine. He's all for it. Is he wrong?
"What psychological factors drive the popularity of conspiracy theories, which explain important events as secret plots by powerful and malevolent groups? What are the psychological consequences of adopting these theories? We review the current research and find that it answers the first of these questions more thoroughly than the second. Belief in conspiracy theories appears to be driven by motives that can be characterized as epistemic (understanding one’s environment), existential (being safe and in control of one’s environment), and social (maintaining a positive image of the self and the social group). However, little research has investigated the consequences of conspiracy belief, and to date, this research does not indicate that conspiracy belief fulfills people’s motivations. Instead, for many people, conspiracy belief may be more appealing than satisfying. Further research is needed to determine for whom, and under what conditions, conspiracy theories may satisfy key psychological motives."


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...63721417718261
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