How many times was Johnson and Johnson recalled?

And why did it take over a year, for people to learn that Pfizer wasn't being taken the right way?

You're a clown.

All of this information coming out, and people like him are still in denial.....

"TRUMP RUSHED THE VACCINE OUT AND I REFUSE TO TAKE IT!!!"

Said every liberal on earth up until November 2020.

Perfect rebuttal after he called you out on your silly "alters DNA" statement.

COVID-19 was a war on Donald Trump.

Willful denial... They refuse to give up their sacred Rona because they've enjoyed queefing at people so much for the past two years.

I bet the only guitar you can play is that toy one on guitar hero you cuck

Shutting this thread down... CDC are the leading experts in immunology. You're a right-wing bigot if you think they were wrong from the beginning about shutting down schools and small businesses, forcing people to wear face diapers, and mandating vaccinations for everyone...

So its basically another crazy conspiracy theory that has been proven 100% right.

This is the winning Trump was talking about all along. We are like 12- 0 with the conspiracy theories now.

If Johnson and Johnson wasn't rushed, then why was it recalled numerous times?

If Pfizer wasn't rushed, why did people take it the wrong way for over a year?

Oh how cute, get your booster shot yet? Or are you about to get your 2nd one?

It's natural for people like them. It's what they count on. People in authority telling them what to do, they follow without question, and try to shame others who didn't submit.

I loved it when they call people who voted for Trump cultists for example, they go, "Hey Trumpers, your messiah got the jab, what are you gonna do?"

You reply with, "Still not getting it."

And they lose their minds, like, "But, but, but, he's your leader?"

Trump said dumb **** about video games as well, doesn't mean I have to agree with him. There were a ton of things I disagreed with him on.

It worked. Any other president with his support would have sailed into a 2nd term, but homeboy couldn't muster up a single word of empathy - instead he was bragging about how his corona virus pressers were the most watched "show" on TV.

Is it in your nature to come to the aid of those who make statements that are demonstrably false?

Two years ago it was a right wing conspiracy theory to say Joe Biden had dementia. Or that all the stuff released from Hunter Biden's laptop was real. Oof. Seems the only thing holding this Presidency together and keeping Joe from being impeached for taking bribes from the Chinese after Republicans win in November is what a dumpster fire Kamala Harris is.

You are the biggest idiot on this forum, first I had to school you on masks, then I've repeatedly schooled you on this clotshot

1) Normal approval and testing process for vaccines is 10-15 yrs

2) No this is not a vaccine, the covid shot does not prevent covid, nor lower severity, nor transmission..MORE than happy to go through all the data showing not only does it lower antibodies by 40% but also destroys the immune system, and the spike protein (the most dangerous part of the virus) from the vaccine gets into the cell nucleus..unlike normal infection


we'll start with #1..


"Vaccine Development

Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.”

“Stages of Vaccine Development and Testing

In the United States, vaccine development and testing follow a standard set of steps. The first stages are exploratory in nature. Regulation and oversight increase as the candidate vaccine makes its way through the process.

First Steps: Laboratory and Animal Studies

Exploratory Stage

This stage involves basic laboratory research and often lasts 2-4 years. Federally funded academic and governmental scientists identify natural or synthetic antigens that might help prevent or treat a disease. These antigens could include virus-like particles, weakened viruses or bacteria, weakened bacterial toxins, or other substances derived from pathogens.

Pre-Clinical Stage

Pre-clinical studies use tissue-culture or cell-culture systems and animal testing to assess the safety of the candidate vaccine and its immunogenicity, or ability to provoke an immune response. Animal subjects may include mice and monkeys. These studies give researchers an idea of the cellular responses they might expect in humans. They may also suggest a safe starting dose for the next phase of research as well as a safe method of administering the vaccine.”

Many candidate vaccines never progress beyond this stage because they fail to produce the desired immune response. The pre-clinical stages often lasts 1-2 years and usually involves researchers in private industry.

IND Application

A sponsor, usually a private company, submits an application for an Investigational New Drug (IND) to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The sponsor describes the manufacturing and testing processes, summarizes the laboratory reports, and describes the proposed study. An institutional review board, representing an institution where the clinical trial will be conducted, must approve the clinical protocol. The FDA has 30 days to approve the application.“

Next Steps: Clinical Studies with Human Subjects

Phase I Vaccine Trials

This first attempt to assess the candidate vaccine in humans involves a small group of adults, usually between 20-80 subjects. If the vaccine is intended for children, researchers will first test adults, and then gradually step down the age of the test subjects until they reach their target. Phase I trials may be non-blinded (also known as open-label in that the researchers and perhaps subjects know whether a vaccine or placebo is used).“


Phase II Vaccine Trials

A larger group of several hundred individuals participates in Phase II testing. Some of the individuals may belong to groups at risk of acquiring the disease. These trials are randomized and well controlled, and include a placebo group.

The goals of Phase II testing are to study the candidate vaccine’s safety, immunogenicity, proposed doses, schedule of immunizations, and method of delivery.

Phase III Vaccine Trials

Successful Phase II candidate vaccines move on to larger trials, involving thousands to tens of thousands of people. These Phase III tests are randomized and double blind and involve the experimental vaccine being tested against a placebo (the placebo may be a saline solution, a vaccine for another disease, or some other substance).

Vaccine efficacy is tested as well. These factors might include 1) Does the candidate vaccine prevent disease? 2) Does it prevent infection with the pathogen? 3) Does it lead to production of antibodies or other types of immune responses related to the pathogen?

Next Steps: Approval and Licensure

After a successful Phase III trial, the vaccine developer will submit a Biologics License Application to the FDA. Then the FDA will inspect the factory where the vaccine will be made and approve the labeling of the vaccine.


Post-Licensure Monitoring of Vaccines

A variety of systems monitor vaccines after they have been approved. They include Phase IV trials, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, and the Vaccine Safety Datalink.

Phase IV Trials

Phase IV trial are optional studies that drug companies may conduct after a vaccine is released. The manufacturer may continue to test the vaccine for safety, efficacy, and other potential uses.

They admit failure, but is anyone going to step down after the damage was done? Of course not.
Talk is cheap, but you know what else is?Spoiler!Or why was the need for boosters so shortly after the initial doses such a surprise that caught the makers themselves off guard?

Why, you could almost say they were making things up as they went along.Dude has still never outright said he's evenhadthe vaccine, either.

Now they're simping for the exact same pharmaceutical companies that are one of the lead causes for our nation's insane healthcare costs.Truth. People are seriously going to pretend thatOperation-fukking-Warp Speedwasn't about rushing things out instead of going through the standard approval process length?

With the number of medications that get approved but still wind up recalled after being released to the public, Operation Warp Speed was a bad idea, and now the COVID treatments have set us all back with the terrible precedent that has been set by their approval.

As for whether or not these were vaccines in the first place, about as much as when a leftist changes the definition of a woman so they can use the lady's room.

Don't forget how terrible this is publicly regarding real vaccines.... Skepticism will be maxxxed, and doctors will be in an uphill battle with parents now.

CDC did something Trumpers have never done before in their lives: admit and take responsibility for their mistakes.

What the CDC director said:

1. The organization had multiple failures during the COVID 19 pandemic when it came to communicating with the public.
2. The organization had slow reaction times and changed guidance too often.
3. In our big moment, our performance did not reliably meet expectations.

What you guys think the CDC director said:

1. Covid isn't real, it was just a flu.
2. The vaccine was fake too, just wanted to inject you guys with some Bill Gates nanobots.
3. Shutdowns were completely unnecessary, we just wanted to control your freedoms and hurt the economy for no reason.

Oh and in the case of Stizzel:
4. THE VACCINE ALTERS YOUR DNA

How stupid do you have to be to believe that?

Didn’t read you racist tranny fukin chit smearer

Honestly, if you did a Billy Madison with Snizzel, where he has to start today in kindergarten and advance through high school, he wouldn't pass the 6th grade.

My nature to attack those who were pro-lockdown, pro-restrictions, pro-mask /vaccine mandates, etc.

You people want us all to forget how you acted during all of this, but we will never forget.

With Pfizer, people were taking the second dose 3 weeks later. It's now known that if you're going to get it, you get the second dose 8 weeks later.

You think the CDC is ever going to admit that lockdowns were unnecessary? That kids, and teens could have still went to school.

But I'm sure that the ZOOM education they received was quality education, that forcing kids as young as 2 to mask up was necessary.....

Yeah, well it's kinda the job of thatMULTI-BILLION DOLLARgumint organization to get all that right. Don't you think?See above.

If the CDC had it's shiit together and had handled thisglobal black death plague virus of doomcorrectly to begin with instead of playing politics, then the conspiracy shiit wouldn't have happened. Ergo, WGAF what they say about anything now?

If by "owned", you mean "ignoring the explanations I've given before" and "repeating the same basic brain-chit that has been dealt with a million times", then sure.

I believe after this constant ignoring or refusal to study the reliable sources which counter the anti-vaxx argument, it must be a deliberate attempt to be angry at something.