Both are true. An average guy as I say should over the course of their entire life occassionally stumble into a woman who just likes him for no apparent reason. most guys take what they can get in this way and thats how they end up married. They just exist, like the friend I described, and some random average girl just likes him and he didnt do anything for that to happen besides exist.

very few men have mastered some pick up skills or whatever like the misc says you must do. they just exist and randomly stumble on something and take it at some point.

But that is few and far between. An average or below man who doesnt want to just wait his turn for random luck and actively tries out there will be getting rejected from the overwhelming majority of women even those at or below his level in looks.

So both are true. The majority of average men will eventually stumble on someone who likes them and all they have to do is exist. Now, that woman might be ugly fat or undesirable in some way. Or it might take forever to happen but it should happen. If that NEVER happens to you, you're probably ugly as fuk

Only if the average man remains average by refusing to improve steadily. The OP is exactly referring to this. And what you're describing has happened even to you a couple times, so would happen more often to an average dude, even one who doesn't self-improve.

Yeah i remember OP used to make several threads a week when he was struggling, so it's good to see that he's doing much better.

Life has been good to me as I get along with my daughter so much better. I was severely depressed when I was first on here as she was challenging and I had to deal with a lot of BS from young guys with dating. Dating men my age is a disaster and never goes past the first date, so I'm starting to think that a relationship is just not for me.

Where are you all meeting women these days?

How do you make every thread about yourself and your pathetic dating life? Jesus.

i always assumed dating in 30s would be harder because all the quality ppl would be taken by then

What im describing has never once happened to me. I have never met anyone just out in the wild socially who has ever shown any interest whatsoever. Unlike the vast majority of men I know who have had that happen at least once. If it hasn't that means something is seriously wrong with you. For myself, it is obvious that I am on the extreme low end of looks and height.

The only thing that has happened to me is getting 2 matches over the course of 7 years and swiping on thousands and thousands of women. On pure volume alone, 2 out of thousands and thousands over 7 years is as bad as it gets.

There's nothing to improve. Most men are average and will be average no matter what they do. They will get average results no matter what they do. Yes, if you are below average or have some serious negative like fat or too shy, you should fix those but if you dont have any obvious clear flaws, at that point its just a numbers thing.


Keep in mind the OP isnt even average himself, he's 6 foot tall and had already smashed double digit women even when he claimed to be struggling.

You never date girls in High School or College? That's the easiest time.

There's a big world out there outside the apps, you need to just get out there and speak to some women. There's plenty of guys out there below average in height and looks who end up with half decent girls you just need to have confidence.

Where are you all meeting women these days?

He said he hoped things were going well with me too, so I provided an update. Sheesh.

Is dating different after 2020 and with these new political talks going on?

Ah, that actually is my bad, so I'll apologize (reluctantly). You weren't responding to that comment directly, so wasn't sure where that was coming from.

What im describing has never once happened to me. I have never met anyone just out in the wild socially who has ever shown any interest whatsoever. Unlike the vast majority of men I know who have had that happen at least once. If it hasn't that means something is seriously wrong with you. For myself, it is obvious that I am on the extreme low end of looks and height.

The only thing that has happened to me is getting 2 matches over the course of 7 years and swiping on thousands and thousands of women. On pure volume alone, 2 out of thousands and thousands over 7 years is as bad as it gets.

There's nothing to improve. Most men are average and will be average no matter what they do. They will get average results no matter what they do. Yes, if you are below average or have some serious negative like fat or too shy, you should fix those but if you dont have any obvious clear flaws, at that point its just a numbers thing.


Keep in mind the OP isnt even average himself, he's 6 foot tall and had already smashed double digit women even when he claimed to be struggling.

Your issue is that you haven’t thought about how to take this one step forward. If you’re as below average as you say you are then there’s no point swiping on thousands of 5/10 hoping that someone is going to overlook you being a 3/10.

You need to focus on fellow 3/10s and then phase 2 is working your way up. There’s no point going about things the same as an average man when you’re not average (same applies to chads). Your average man existing point is true but you don’t build on this.

You’re a problems but not solutions guy.

I swiped on everyone not just 5s, but it doesnt matter. at my age anyone with low enough standards that I could qualify are already taken

Thing is, the online numbers game for you, even when swiping on everyone, is futile. Women online have the leverage to match with guys 1-1.5 points above them. This is why even average guys struggle with it. You might as well play the slot machines. It doesn't hurt I guess, but can't be your only strategy.

What you need to do is hone in on real life prospects at your looks level who you slowly build value with. I know you'll just say it won't work, but had to put it out there.

.. don't rule out marriage.

It's good to hear you're doing better and having dating success! You're still very young, don't rule out marriage.

Refreshing to see this, OP.

I think "down bad" guys would be much better off if they got advice/responses similar to this post - some commiseration/sympathizing about the inherent difficulties/unfairness of modern dating while still emphasizing what we can do (and not insinuating that any guy who struggles doesn't shower or that they need to become CEO 10k/day for women to even make eye contact). Repped.

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