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12-13-2022, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted By bicmane123⏩
Smoking weed? Lol I got an other then honorable discharge for failing a weed test cause I smoked on vacation, idk no job that has ran a background check said anything so I guess it’s not a big dealI know a lot of young guys in the miliary currently.
Most of them don't give af, smoke weed, barely make a livable wage, etc
it's important to get into a good job in the military if you go that route imo.
Most of them don't give af, smoke weed, barely make a livable wage, etc
it's important to get into a good job in the military if you go that route imo.
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Originally Posted By Lefticle⏩
im pretty sure this a troll post cause not even on top gun are they showing 18 year olds just walking into the airforce or navy and hopping onto a fighter jet.I'm in a good spot, but if I had to do it over,I'd probably be a military pilot. Join at 18yo. Fly for 20 years. Retire from military will full pension at 38yo for the rest of my life. Then just fly commercial like 3 days a week and make another $250k/year until I want to retire.
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12-13-2022, 05:28 PM
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Usually tradies need to start younger just for the reason being it really helps having to do all the shyt task apprentices have while young vs.old.
12-13-2022, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
yup, there needs to be a documentary on this , if there isnt already, but i remember in high school how much they repeated that linei wish i went this route srs.
but in highschool they drilled it into our heads that "you need to go to college to become successful" and it's one of the biggest lies we were told.
but in highschool they drilled it into our heads that "you need to go to college to become successful" and it's one of the biggest lies we were told.
12-13-2022, 05:37 PM
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I did this pretty much.
20 years Navy , started getting a pension at 38. Its not a fortune but equals about $13 an hour or so plus get cost of living raise yearly.
Along with this my I have tricare prime. You do pay for it but its like $30 a month if that which covers pretty much everything. So I dont need to get medical insurance anywhere.
Pretty much just glided through jobs since the Navy, Somes sales, customer service, just ordinary stuff. But I was able to pay off my debt and put money in the bank.
While its not a ton of money each month I know that 100% worst case, I will always get that check every month so its a nice safety net.
Its not a job for everyone and there is a ton of free overtime and bs to put up with but you have to work someplace anyway so its certanly a good deal. I pretty much hated it the entire time i was in but damn glad I did it now.
20 years Navy , started getting a pension at 38. Its not a fortune but equals about $13 an hour or so plus get cost of living raise yearly.
Along with this my I have tricare prime. You do pay for it but its like $30 a month if that which covers pretty much everything. So I dont need to get medical insurance anywhere.
Pretty much just glided through jobs since the Navy, Somes sales, customer service, just ordinary stuff. But I was able to pay off my debt and put money in the bank.
While its not a ton of money each month I know that 100% worst case, I will always get that check every month so its a nice safety net.
Its not a job for everyone and there is a ton of free overtime and bs to put up with but you have to work someplace anyway so its certanly a good deal. I pretty much hated it the entire time i was in but damn glad I did it now.
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
Again, join after college and retire at 44. I am retired and don't actually have to work with my pension and benefits, but I enjoy it so I will for a while longer. I get credit for 25yrs of service (for pay purposes).i wish i went this route srs.
but in highschool they drilled it into our heads that "you need to go to college to become successful" and it's one of the biggest lies we were told.
but in highschool they drilled it into our heads that "you need to go to college to become successful" and it's one of the biggest lies we were told.
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12-13-2022, 05:53 PM
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Doing 20 years in today's military takes a very special person. I felt like I was walking on eggshells every time I talked because of all the political correctness, compared to when I first joined. Im glad I got out and make way more money now, with way more personal time. (Ded fkn Srs)
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12-13-2022, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted By ToxMasculinity⏩
explain more plz? What kind of political correctness issues?Doing 20 years in today's military takes a very special person. I felt like I was walking on eggshells every time I talked because of all the political correctness, compared to when I first joined. Im glad I got out and make way more money now, with way more personal time. (Ded fkn Srs)
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Originally Posted By ToxMasculinity⏩
Depends on what you do in the military.Doing 20 years in today's military takes a very special person. I felt like I was walking on eggshells every time I talked because of all the political correctness, compared to when I first joined. Im glad I got out and make way more money now, with way more personal time. (Ded fkn Srs)
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
College isn't bad, it just takes very careful planning, something 18 year olds don't have experience in. You need to get the right degree for one.i wish i went this route srs.
but in highschool they drilled it into our heads that "you need to go to college to become successful" and it's one of the biggest lies we were told.
but in highschool they drilled it into our heads that "you need to go to college to become successful" and it's one of the biggest lies we were told.
The terrible part is being in the red upon graduation. You're stuck paying a $20k loan, and that's probably if you go the cheapest route. No spring breaks. No new car. Dont even think about credit cards. Honestly the best plan for college kids is to move back home or live with roommates after graduation. That's the quickest path to getting out of the bog because you can chop that student loan down fast.
Tradies and Veterans are definitely ahead of college graduates though.
12-13-2022, 06:11 PM
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You can do 2 years and then go the NSA route a few more. Then cut to the front of the line in whatever trade you choose.
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12-13-2022, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Lefticle⏩
Wife's brother followed this basic template. Flies cargo all over the world now and gets paid really well. He says he likes cargo because he doesn't have to deal with passengers.I'm in a good spot, but if I had to do it over, I'd probably be a military pilot. Join at 18yo. Fly for 20 years. Retire from military will full pension at 38yo for the rest of my life. Then just fly commercial like 3 days a week and make another $250k/year until I want to retire.
He's gone a lot, but home for stretches at a time, too. I like being home with my family every night, but if you add it up, I'm pretty sure he spends more time "not at work" than me.
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12-13-2022, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted By ToxMasculinity⏩
When'd you leave?Doing 20 years in today's military takes a very special person. I felt like I was walking on eggshells every time I talked because of all the political correctness, compared to when I first joined. Im glad I got out and make way more money now, with way more personal time. (Ded fkn Srs)
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12-13-2022, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
This, left after 6 years, wish I’d have left a year or 2 earlier tbh.There's actually a reason why so many get out after 4 years. When you join, it's literally your life.
****, I was a military brat growing up, you're pretty much moving to another state, sometimes another country every couple of years.
****, I was a military brat growing up, you're pretty much moving to another state, sometimes another country every couple of years.
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12-14-2022, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted By ToxMasculinity⏩
Yupp I heard it's getting worse and worse.Doing 20 years in today's military takes a very special person. I felt like I was walking on eggshells every time I talked because of all the political correctness, compared to when I first joined. Im glad I got out and make way more money now, with way more personal time. (Ded fkn Srs)
They are requiring even special ops and elite combat units complete all this bull-**** training.
the retention rate of young officers in special ops is at an all time low.
12-14-2022, 07:45 AM
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definitely the wise man's path
some want to have a little more fun while young
some want to have a little more fun while young
Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Absolutely no one offered good advice when I was in HS. Only some from certain universities recruiting me did, and I did not listen to the best advice (something like the top rotc program. easy money with the best perks).College isn't bad, it just takes very careful planning, something 18 year olds don't have experience in. You need to get the right degree for one.
The terrible part is being in the red upon graduation. You're stuck paying a $20k loan, and that's probably if you go the cheapest route. No spring breaks. No new car. Dont even think about credit cards. Honestly the best plan for college kids is to move back home or live with roommates after graduation. That's the quickest path to getting out of the bog because you can chop that student loan down fast.
Tradies and Veterans are definitely ahead of college graduates though.
The terrible part is being in the red upon graduation. You're stuck paying a $20k loan, and that's probably if you go the cheapest route. No spring breaks. No new car. Dont even think about credit cards. Honestly the best plan for college kids is to move back home or live with roommates after graduation. That's the quickest path to getting out of the bog because you can chop that student loan down fast.
Tradies and Veterans are definitely ahead of college graduates though.
12-14-2022, 08:11 AM
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Wish I would have gone Airforce out of high school. Wanted to be a pilot but have Deuteranomaly (mild red green color blindness) so that was out and I let the idea go, but looking back the airforce is GOAT for postings, benefits, treatment in service, and retirement benefits. Gear is top tier as well. Navy could be better if you don't mind possible getting stuck on a boat for months. Also AF gets the top tier pu$$y. That includes enlisted as well as officers. Oh well hindsight and all that
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There are other (imo slimy) ways to use military service to advance your financial well-being and career earnings.
Personally, I wouldn't go into the military today. The model is ok... 20 years, retire, have experience, education, benefits, etc. but where the world is and politics... nope.
Personally, I wouldn't go into the military today. The model is ok... 20 years, retire, have experience, education, benefits, etc. but where the world is and politics... nope.
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Either military or law enforcement. LE doesn't have quite as many perks but more freedom and a bigger pension potential. I've a buddy that started at 18. He's going to do 30 and retire at 48 years old and his pension will be receiving 100% of his salary for the rest of his life (six figures). If you network right you can just walk into another six figure job on retiring (or start a small business using related training/experience).
Plenty of multi millionaire retired LEO's. in their 50s.
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Originally Posted By Goodguy03⏩
Because you can work 'for yourself' or on a contract basis and make a ****load of money in trades.lolwut. why would you go into a trade when military will pay for your college education? brb bust ass in military for 20 years and then do more manual labor after finally discharging. lol at tradies, they never learn.
12-14-2022, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Holyfenix⏩
AF used to literally have a policy where if Navy or Army got an upgrade, they were required to receive at least as good an upgradeWish I would have gone Airforce out of high school. Wanted to be a pilot but have Deuteranomaly (mild red green color blindness) so that was out and I let the idea go, but looking back the airforce is GOAT for postings, benefits, treatment in service, and retirement benefits. Gear is top tier as well. Navy could be better if you don't mind possible getting stuck on a boat for months. Also AF gets the top tier pu$$y. That includes enlisted as well as officers. Oh well hindsight and all that
12-14-2022, 09:24 AM
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My wife and I have friends who are married, both husband and wife retired military, and they never worked another day in there life after they retired. Because the military pays for so much, if you’re smart with your money, you can save a **** load of cash and assets, and basically live for free the rest of your life.
Imagine retiring at 35 and being set for life. Does the military pay too well?
Imagine retiring at 35 and being set for life. Does the military pay too well?
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Originally Posted By mesobuild⏩
When was this, the 50's? What kind of upgrade? Rental car?AF used to literally have a policy where if Navy or Army got an upgrade, they were required to receive at least as good an upgrade
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Most of the military I knew came out with PTSD and are homeless. Typically White people ended up homeless and all the Mexicans had family to take care of them.
The only good things, I can think of about joining the military is if you are retarded, they straighten you up. If you are already disciplined and can afford college or votech, just go that path and be successful.
Also if you join, they typically give you some college military grant thing & a housing voucher & you can get a VA loan for a mortgage as long as you don't get discharged.
Other than that, nope would never join unless I was born into poverty. Biden would send me to Ukraine.
Edit: Also if your recruiter tells you to lie, don't do it. You will get discharged later if anyone finds out.
The only good things, I can think of about joining the military is if you are retarded, they straighten you up. If you are already disciplined and can afford college or votech, just go that path and be successful.
Also if you join, they typically give you some college military grant thing & a housing voucher & you can get a VA loan for a mortgage as long as you don't get discharged.
Other than that, nope would never join unless I was born into poverty. Biden would send me to Ukraine.
Edit: Also if your recruiter tells you to lie, don't do it. You will get discharged later if anyone finds out.
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
You legitimately don't know what you're talking about. It's ok, but you don't.Most of the military I knew came out with PTSD and are homeless. Typically White people ended up homeless and all the Mexicans had family to take care of them.
The only good things, I can think of about joining the military is if you are retarded, they straighten you up. If you are already disciplined and can afford college or votech, just go that path and be successful.
Also if you join, they typically give you some college military grant thing & a housing voucher & you can get a VA loan for a mortgage as long as you don't get discharged.
Other than that, nope would never join unless I was born into poverty. Biden would send me to Ukraine.
Edit: Also if your recruiter tells you to lie, don't do it. You will get discharged later if anyone finds out.
The only good things, I can think of about joining the military is if you are retarded, they straighten you up. If you are already disciplined and can afford college or votech, just go that path and be successful.
Also if you join, they typically give you some college military grant thing & a housing voucher & you can get a VA loan for a mortgage as long as you don't get discharged.
Other than that, nope would never join unless I was born into poverty. Biden would send me to Ukraine.
Edit: Also if your recruiter tells you to lie, don't do it. You will get discharged later if anyone finds out.
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12-14-2022, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
Most people who go in to the military as a career end up officers that see very little combat. You don’t typically spend 20 years in the military to come out as a low rank.Most of the military I knew came out with PTSD and are homeless. Typically White people ended up homeless and all the Mexicans had family to take care of them.
The only good things, I can think of about joining the military is if you are retarded, they straighten you up. If you are already disciplined and can afford college or votech, just go that path and be successful.
Also if you join, they typically give you some college military grant thing & a housing voucher & you can get a VA loan for a mortgage as long as you don't get discharged.
Other than that, nope would never join unless I was born into poverty. Biden would send me to Ukraine.
Edit: Also if your recruiter tells you to lie, don't do it. You will get discharged later if anyone finds out.
The only good things, I can think of about joining the military is if you are retarded, they straighten you up. If you are already disciplined and can afford college or votech, just go that path and be successful.
Also if you join, they typically give you some college military grant thing & a housing voucher & you can get a VA loan for a mortgage as long as you don't get discharged.
Other than that, nope would never join unless I was born into poverty. Biden would send me to Ukraine.
Edit: Also if your recruiter tells you to lie, don't do it. You will get discharged later if anyone finds out.
My friend retired as a general (somewhere in that area) and only saw combat the first couple years, and even then it wasn’t a lot because they find ways to rank up without combat. It’s mostly desk work and schooling for most of these folks.
Women who retire never see combat. They are desk jockies their entire military career
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Originally Posted By macrocrunch⏩
There are entire nonprofits that exist for those reasons I listed above. PTSD affects a chit ton of of veterans.You legitimately don't know what you're talking about. It's ok, but you don't.
It would be frauding to say it's not a big deal.
I saw a news article a while back saying that the mental health unit (whatever it's called) tries to purposely discharge veterans for any reason which is why veterans tend to come out with PTSD vs any other disease.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Maybe it depends on the branch. Is that the same deal with Army and Marines?Most people who go in to the military as a career end up officers that see very little combat. You don’t typically spend 20 years in the military to come out as a low rank.
My friend retired as a general (somewhere in that area) and only saw combat the first couple years, and even then it wasn’t a lot because they find ways to rank up without combat. It’s mostly desk work and schooling for most of these folks.
Women who retire never see combat. They are desk jockies their entire military career
My friend retired as a general (somewhere in that area) and only saw combat the first couple years, and even then it wasn’t a lot because they find ways to rank up without combat. It’s mostly desk work and schooling for most of these folks.
Women who retire never see combat. They are desk jockies their entire military career
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
His post was pretty misinformed as well. However, the only thing about your post that you were correct on was the PTSD thing, I'm well aware of the organizations. Most everything else you were pretty inaccurate on.Maybe it depends on the branch. Is that the same deal with Army and Marines?
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12-14-2022, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor⏩
The way so many elitist freaks think they don't need the class of supporting family is so dumbTypically White people ended up homeless and all the Mexicans had family to take care of them.
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