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You've posted some great info for the actual BB'ers and lifters on this site
Anyone with actual time in the gym don't usually argue.
You're just super aggressive my g. People don't like being told they're wrong
And as I've said before, dif'rent strokes for dif'rent folks
But I've read your rants and you're not wrong usually
I still think pull ups are good for lat development though
But Im lanky AF
Anyone with actual time in the gym don't usually argue.
You're just super aggressive my g. People don't like being told they're wrong
And as I've said before, dif'rent strokes for dif'rent folks
But I've read your rants and you're not wrong usually
I still think pull ups are good for lat development though
But Im lanky AF
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12-21-2022, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted By GaryRidgway⏩
It was so long ago so I forget the test compound I think it was sustanon250 thoughDamn was that from just test? How much did you use?
I also used d-bol during that cycle
But I blew the fuk up - it was insane
12-21-2022, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted By HayZues
you have extrapolated one statement from a long argument I made explaining what I was saying to *manipulate* people into jumping on me because you have made it seem like I made one singular blanket statement without further explanation that "steroids only do 10% of the work"Manipulated? I've seen you argue that gear only makes about a 10% difference. That's just flat retarded.
Admit right now, if you did everything the exact same, minus peds, you would look far different?
Admit right now, if you did everything the exact same, minus peds, you would look far different?
so yes you are either being willfully manipulative with that or you are just stupid and lack reading comprehension for what I originally said and have been going around like a clown reposting this one statement from a long argument over and over to try and get a rise out of me or attention from other miscers because you have somehow shown your superiority in intellect to me by making this one point known over, and over, and over, and over
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12-21-2022, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
yes we all know brad that you would be 320 and 5% bf if you continued to take steroids for yearsYou act like I haven’t taken steroids?
I’ve taken steroids and I went from a 315 1 rep max on bench to 405 in a matter of 12 weeks - I went from 215lbs to 248lb in weight while maintaining the same bf %
Steroids probably only contributed roughly 10 percent to my increase in strength and size though according to you right?
In fact I don’t think nattys even understand how much steroids help… natty lifting and enhanced lifting is night and day
I’ve taken steroids and I went from a 315 1 rep max on bench to 405 in a matter of 12 weeks - I went from 215lbs to 248lb in weight while maintaining the same bf %
Steroids probably only contributed roughly 10 percent to my increase in strength and size though according to you right?
In fact I don’t think nattys even understand how much steroids help… natty lifting and enhanced lifting is night and day
you have superior genetics and work effort and bodybuilding abilities and EVERYTHING else in life, you have the best apartment on the misc with the best view, you bang the hottest women of every miscer, and you make the best posts
you are the best person at everything in your own little world Bradley.
Feel better?
Lets base your 1 experience with steroids that that is the same experience everyone has and continues to have cycle after cycle year after year.
You know, it only took me 1 month to go from a 12 minute mile to a 6 minute mile, If I would have kept running I would have been completing a mile in -1286 minutes within a couple years.
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12-21-2022, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
You just don’t get ityes we all know brad that you would be 320 and 5% bf if you continued to take steroids for years
you have superior genetics and work effort and bodybuilding abilities and EVERYTHING else in life, you have the best apartment on the misc with the best view, you bang the hottest women of every miscer, and you make the best posts
you are the best person at everything in your own little world Bradley.
Feel better?
you have superior genetics and work effort and bodybuilding abilities and EVERYTHING else in life, you have the best apartment on the misc with the best view, you bang the hottest women of every miscer, and you make the best posts
you are the best person at everything in your own little world Bradley.
Feel better?
No one is arguing with you that you don’t know your chit
What we are saying is that without steroids no one would even have the chance or opportunity to get to 320 5% body fat
A natty achieving a pro bodybuilders physique has a 0% chance
Someone taking steroids getting to a pro bodybuilders size has a chance even if it’s just 1%
That’s the difference - steroids make what is otherwise impossible, possible
It’s like arguing Floyd Mayweather should fight Mike Tyson and Mike Tyson simply just trains better and that’s why he would win
12-21-2022, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
I have never argued against that and have argued many times steroids open a door, but they dont push you through the door, and then after that if you want to look like a pro bodybuilder you are going to have to go through abotu 20 other doors of achievements beyond steroids like mastering your mind muscle connection over YEARS, perfecting form for your body, learning the best volume for your level, learning recovery tactics, honing your diet, learning more and more nuances to diet/lifting/supplements, piecing things together from all those areas, learning more in depth about the body and movement patterns etc...You just don’t get it
No one is arguing with you that you don’t know your chit
What we are saying is that without steroids no one would even have the chance or opportunity to get to 320 5% body fat
A natty achieving a pro bodybuilders physique has a 0% chance
Someone taking steroids getting to a pro bodybuilders size has a chance even if it’s just 1%
That’s the difference - steroids make what is otherwise impossible, possible
No one is arguing with you that you don’t know your chit
What we are saying is that without steroids no one would even have the chance or opportunity to get to 320 5% body fat
A natty achieving a pro bodybuilders physique has a 0% chance
Someone taking steroids getting to a pro bodybuilders size has a chance even if it’s just 1%
That’s the difference - steroids make what is otherwise impossible, possible
Eventually you get a broader understanding alongside a microunderstanding of everything and it all makes more sense each door you go through.
But people get hung up on that first door and think it lets you skip the other 20 doors that ultimately leads IFBB pros to the level they attain or even becoming a pro for the less genetically gifted.
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12-21-2022, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
CounterpointI have never argued against that and have argued many times steroids open a door, but they dont push you through the door, and then after that if you want to look like a pro bodybuilder you are going to have to go through abotu 20 other doors of achievements beyond steroids like mastering your mind muscle connection over YEARS, perfecting form for your body, learning the best volume for your level, learning recovery tactics, honing your diet, learning more and more nuances to diet/lifting/supplements, piecing things together from all those areas, learning more in depth about the body and movement patterns etc...
Eventually you get a broader understanding alongside a microunderstanding of everything and it all makes more sense each door you go through.
But people get hung up on that first door and think it lets you skip the other 20 doors that ultimately leads IFBB pros to the level they attain or even becoming a pro for the less genetically gifted.
Eventually you get a broader understanding alongside a microunderstanding of everything and it all makes more sense each door you go through.
But people get hung up on that first door and think it lets you skip the other 20 doors that ultimately leads IFBB pros to the level they attain or even becoming a pro for the less genetically gifted.
This guy started as a 135lb miscer and got to this size with a massive amount of gear and 225lb quarter squats over the course of only a couple of years. He's not pro material or anything but he's way larger than any natty could ever hope to get while doing the most retarded chit ever
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12-21-2022, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I agree with all of that and I acknowledge that it takes a lot more then steroids to become an elite bodybuilder which is why most people who take steroids look like bloated messes even after years of using themI have never argued against that and have argued many times steroids open a door, but they dont push you through the door, and then after that if you want to look like a pro bodybuilder you are going to have to go through abotu 20 other doors of achievements beyond steroids like mastering your mind muscle connection over YEARS, perfecting form for your body, learning the best volume for your level, learning recovery tactics, honing your diet, learning more and more nuances to diet/lifting/supplements, piecing things together from all those areas, learning more in depth about the body and movement patterns etc...
Eventually you get a broader understanding alongside a microunderstanding of everything and it all makes more sense each door you go through.
But people get hung up on that first door and think it lets you skip the other 20 doors that ultimately leads IFBB pros to the level they attain or even becoming a pro for the less genetically gifted.
Eventually you get a broader understanding alongside a microunderstanding of everything and it all makes more sense each door you go through.
But people get hung up on that first door and think it lets you skip the other 20 doors that ultimately leads IFBB pros to the level they attain or even becoming a pro for the less genetically gifted.
All I’m arguing is that there is a very solid line between a natty lifter and an enhanced lifter and steroids open up a whole new world of possibilities … once you cross that natty line I will agree that there are probably numerous factors I’m not even aware of that go into building a truly impressive physique
To summarize my argument go look at a natty bodybuilding show, I’m sure these guys are all advanced lifters with a wealth of knowledge and experience and they don’t even compare to enhanced bodybuilders - like it’s not even the same sport (I don’t actually think bodybuilding is a sport just highlighting a point).
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
2 thingsCounterpoint
This guy started as a 135lb miscer and got to this size with a massive amount of gear and 225lb quarter squats over the course of only a couple of years. He's not pro material or anything but he's way larger than any natty could ever hope to get while doing the most retarded chit ever
This guy started as a 135lb miscer and got to this size with a massive amount of gear and 225lb quarter squats over the course of only a couple of years. He's not pro material or anything but he's way larger than any natty could ever hope to get while doing the most retarded chit ever
first is that I have learned what we perceive in bodybuilding/fitness (and in life) is not always the case. So those quarter squats or whatever his lifting technique is, may be perceived as amateur when what he is doing, if he is able to explain it well, maybe very advanced. Thats why I always ask people to explain why they do what they do or ask, it lets you know who knows what they are talking about and who is just an idiot doing what some trainer taught them or they saw on youtube. I also get people asking me why I do something that they think is stupid, and then they are blown away when I explain why and then they try it.
Second thing is sure, drugs and genetics can take SOME people very far, but I like to stick to the most standardized fundamentals. I base my statements and research around the most average person and what will work for the MOST people. The outliers are never going to be what I include in my arguments because I have no ****ing interest in what outliers do to get where they are, because it only works for them and wont work for most other people, so I see no point in discussing it or even bringing it up when I deal with the most common denominator.
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12-21-2022, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
All that is cope.I have never argued against that and have argued many times steroids open a door, but they dont push you through the door, and then after that if you want to look like a pro bodybuilder you are going to have to go through abotu 20 other doors of achievements beyond steroids like mastering your mind muscle connection over YEARS, perfecting form for your body, learning the best volume for your level, learning recovery tactics, honing your diet, learning more and more nuances to diet/lifting/supplements, piecing things together from all those areas, learning more in depth about the body and movement patterns etc...
Eventually you get a broader understanding alongside a microunderstanding of everything and it all makes more sense each door you go through.
But people get hung up on that first door and think it lets you skip the other 20 doors that ultimately leads IFBB pros to the level they attain or even becoming a pro for the less genetically gifted.
Eventually you get a broader understanding alongside a microunderstanding of everything and it all makes more sense each door you go through.
But people get hung up on that first door and think it lets you skip the other 20 doors that ultimately leads IFBB pros to the level they attain or even becoming a pro for the less genetically gifted.
Take away all that knowledge, but keep the gear, and you'd look closer to the same as you do now, compared to if you kept the knowledge and removed the gear.
You're denying that, annoys everybody and undermines your knowledge/advice
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12-21-2022, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
but why not look to these guys who HAVE actually succeeded in adding substantial mass and listen to them explain the major differences they attribute to that gain, because obviously if Person A is taking steroids and looks like chit and person B is and doesnt look like chit, and can clearly explain why and how, why not consider that this may be good information? Why only search for things to confirm what you have done that HAS NOT lead you to AS successful as that person, and not even CONSIDER it was something other than steroids, and everytime that person presents new information that goes against what you previously believe, you resort right back to "youre on steroids though so what your saying may only work for you"I agree with all of that and I acknowledge that it takes a lot more then steroids to become an elite bodybuilder which is why most people who take steroids look like bloated messes even after years of using them
All I’m arguing is that there is a very solid line between a natty lifter and an enhanced lifter and steroids open up a whole new world of possibilities … once you cross that natty line I will agree that there are probably numerous factors I’m not even aware of that go into building a truly impressive physique
To summarize my argument go look at a natty bodybuilding show, I’m sure these guys are all advanced lifters with a wealth of knowledge and experience and they don’t even compare to enhanced bodybuilders - like it’s not even the same sport (I don’t actually think bodybuilding is a sport just highlighting a point).
All I’m arguing is that there is a very solid line between a natty lifter and an enhanced lifter and steroids open up a whole new world of possibilities … once you cross that natty line I will agree that there are probably numerous factors I’m not even aware of that go into building a truly impressive physique
To summarize my argument go look at a natty bodybuilding show, I’m sure these guys are all advanced lifters with a wealth of knowledge and experience and they don’t even compare to enhanced bodybuilders - like it’s not even the same sport (I don’t actually think bodybuilding is a sport just highlighting a point).
Is it so farfetched to believe that if a person has been taking relatively the same dose of peds for the past decade, that they too have hit a LOT of the same walls non natty people have and have had to figure ways around them? i.e. diet changes, lifting changes, recovery changes, etc... and those SAME things that got them to grow muscle again are the SAME things that would help natty guys grow muscle again?
THIS is the concept I am arguing that seems to go way over natty peoples heads.
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12-21-2022, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
Because it’s a completely different gamebut why not look to these guys who HAVE actually succeeded in adding substantial mass and listen to them explain the major differences they attribute to that gain, because obviously if Person A is taking steroids and looks like chit and person B is and doesnt look like chit, and can clearly explain why and how, why not consider that this may be good information? Why only search for things to confirm what you have done that HAS NOT lead you to AS successful as that person, and not even CONSIDER it was something other than steroids, and everytime that person presents new information that goes against what you previously believe, you resort right back to "youre on steroids though so what your saying may only work for you"
If I trained and ate like a pro bodybuilder I would just get inured and fat - I’ve experienced this first hand, when I was on steroids I was eating like a complete fat ass, only gaining muscle and I was in the gym 2 hours per day, 7 days per week … it was insane
As a natty you simply can’t consume 300-400 grams of protein per day without getting fat and you can’t train as hard as someone on steroids because you don’t have that enhanced recovery
I’m sure a lot of your advice on training and diet is legit but natties can’t take it completely at face value and will probably have to adjust for being a natty
12-21-2022, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
Dude you're like a woman giving men advice on how to be men or an old bitter adult who fails to understand the issues of his teenager child because he's so far removed from that reality. How do you not understand this simple concept?but why not look to these guys who HAVE actually succeeded in adding substantial mass and listen to them explain the major differences they attribute to that gain, because obviously if Person A is taking steroids and looks like chit and person B is and doesnt look like chit, and can clearly explain why and how, why not consider that this may be good information? Why only search for things to confirm what you have done that HAS NOT lead you to AS successful as that person, and not even CONSIDER it was something other than steroids, and everytime that person presents new information that goes against what you previously believe, you resort right back to "youre on steroids though so what your saying may only work for you"
Is it so farfetched to believe that if a person has been taking relatively the same dose of peds for the past decade, that they too have hit a LOT of the same walls non natty people have and have had to figure ways around them? i.e. diet changes, lifting changes, recovery changes, etc... and those SAME things that got them to grow muscle again are the SAME things that would help natty guys grow muscle again?
THIS is the concept I am arguing that seems to go way over natty peoples heads.
Is it so farfetched to believe that if a person has been taking relatively the same dose of peds for the past decade, that they too have hit a LOT of the same walls non natty people have and have had to figure ways around them? i.e. diet changes, lifting changes, recovery changes, etc... and those SAME things that got them to grow muscle again are the SAME things that would help natty guys grow muscle again?
THIS is the concept I am arguing that seems to go way over natty peoples heads.
Youre a roidcel for the past 10+ years and your results, energy output, muscle recovery, tendon recovery, endurance, motivation etc are all chemically enhanced to the max. And here you are from your chemically privileged position looking down on natties and telling us we simply aren't training hard or smart enough.
Like stop already, you're too far removed from our experience. That's why people here consider you a joke, especially when you go on one of your autism rants about your supreme passion and dedication to bodybuilding lmao. Nobody else here wants to be that guy. If we had as much "passion" as you we'd all be roicels too.
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12-21-2022, 12:52 PM
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Has he really been a roidcel that long? Wtf.Dude you're like a woman giving men advice on how to be men or an old bitter adult who fails to understand the issues of his teenager child because he's so far removed from that reality. How do you not understand this simple concept?
Youre a roidcel for the past 10+ yearsand your results, energy output, muscle recovery, tendon recovery, endurance, motivation etc are all chemically enhanced to the max. And here you are from your chemically privileged position looking down on natties and telling us we simply aren't training hard or smart enough.
Like stop already, you're too far removed from our experience. That's why people here consider you a joke, especially when you go on one of your autism rants about your supreme passion and dedication to bodybuilding lmao. Nobody else here wants to be that guy. If we had as much "passion" as you we'd all be roicels too.
Youre a roidcel for the past 10+ yearsand your results, energy output, muscle recovery, tendon recovery, endurance, motivation etc are all chemically enhanced to the max. And here you are from your chemically privileged position looking down on natties and telling us we simply aren't training hard or smart enough.
Like stop already, you're too far removed from our experience. That's why people here consider you a joke, especially when you go on one of your autism rants about your supreme passion and dedication to bodybuilding lmao. Nobody else here wants to be that guy. If we had as much "passion" as you we'd all be roicels too.
12-21-2022, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Coal
fckng hallelujahDude you're like a woman giving men advice on how to be men or an old bitter adult who fails to understand the issues of his teenager child because he's so far removed from that reality. How do you not understand this simple concept?
Youre a roidcel for the past 10+ years and your results, energy output, muscle recovery, tendon recovery, endurance, motivation etc are all chemically enhanced to the max. And here you are from your chemically privileged position looking down on natties and telling us we simply aren't training hard or smart enough.
Like stop already, you're too far removed from our experience. That's why people here consider you a joke, especially when you go on one of your autism rants about your supreme passion and dedication to bodybuilding lmao. Nobody else here wants to be that guy. If we had as much "passion" as you we'd all be roicels too.
Youre a roidcel for the past 10+ years and your results, energy output, muscle recovery, tendon recovery, endurance, motivation etc are all chemically enhanced to the max. And here you are from your chemically privileged position looking down on natties and telling us we simply aren't training hard or smart enough.
Like stop already, you're too far removed from our experience. That's why people here consider you a joke, especially when you go on one of your autism rants about your supreme passion and dedication to bodybuilding lmao. Nobody else here wants to be that guy. If we had as much "passion" as you we'd all be roicels too.
I am 1000% convinced he is mentally handicapped or someting or maybe all the steroids ruined the 5 braincells he had left.
12-21-2022, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
LMFAO bro you're not the only person here.except as I stated I have been in the trenches actually being more passionate about bodybuilding than the VAST majority of people in this forum. It isnt subjective, it is objective. I am not "proud" of it honestly, to have wasted or spent so much life on ****ing bodybuilding, but here I am. It is just that I have chosen to actually LIFT consistently for over a decade 5 + days a week with only a week off here and there, like maybe 5 times. I have chosen to spend hours and hours reading 20+ books on lifting, nutrition, and hypertrophy. I have read countless studies, competed in bodybuilding powerlifting and strongman, and trained with some of the top professionals.
I am not just someone who has been going to golds gym and 24 hour fitness and dabbled with a cycle here and there and watched some youtube videos and instagram and tiktok experts and then decided I know everything.
I am not just someone who has been going to golds gym and 24 hour fitness and dabbled with a cycle here and there and watched some youtube videos and instagram and tiktok experts and then decided I know everything.
I've been in the gym over 25 years.
Do you think I've never read up info on something I've been consistently doing for 25 years?
Like I've just been going in blind throwing **** against the wall for a quarter of a century, does that sound logical to you?
I'm 5'8", a little under 195 with a six pack at 40 years of age natural, do you think that happened by accident?
I'm only speaking on my behalf here:
As far as I'm concerned the only difference between me and someone my height weighing 220+ of muscle is 95%+ "supplements".
That's basically all.
I personally think you try underplaying the efficacy of steroids while over exaggerating your efforts or the importance of them.
I'm pretty big and muscular (within natty context) and never touched the stuff in my life, nor did I need to go on crazy diets and do a bunch of research.
Unless you have bad genes (in term of gaining and keeping muscle) a little consistency goes a LONG way.
Same with cutting it's a piece of cake, that is until you're trying to shed that last little bit (lowest I've ever gotten was about 10%, will never again).
This is also coming from a guy who's never been on anything so I can't say how much easier they make things although let's be honest: they make things easier.
It's no coincidence vast majority of users deny using, or try and aggrandize how much their efforts played into results.
But there are literal scientific studies proving sedentary people on steroids had better gains than active people who weren't on steroids.
Now with that said, how does science collectively stand to benefit from proving the efficacy of steroids?
And how does a steroid user benefit from downplaying the effects of steroids?
IDK if people are saying you didn't work at all, which is obviously false.
But if you're trying to say they didn't help at all we both know that's BS too
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Originally Posted By HayZues
Anybody who is truly honest about being on gear says the same chit. The vast majority of people can make more gains running 1-2 cycles training/eating/recovering at say 80% than they could training natty for 5 years with all of those factors absolutely on point. That is facts. Natty vs enhanced lifting aren't even in the same ballpark, much less playing the same game.All that is cope.
Take away all that knowledge, but keep the gear, and you'd look closer to the same as you do now, compared to if you kept the knowledge and removed the gear.
You're denying that, annoys everybody and undermines your knowledge/advice
Take away all that knowledge, but keep the gear, and you'd look closer to the same as you do now, compared to if you kept the knowledge and removed the gear.
You're denying that, annoys everybody and undermines your knowledge/advice
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine⏩
I basically trained the same way I did before aside from adding weight to lifts at a faster rate(much faster). But yeah made about 5 years worth of gains in 12 weeks.Anybody who is truly honest about being on gear says the same chit. The vast majority of people can make more gains running 1-2 cycles training/eating/recovering at say 80% than they could training natty for 5 years with all of those factors absolutely on point. That is facts. Natty vs enhanced lifting aren't even in the same ballpark, much less playing the same game.
12-21-2022, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted By GaryRidgway⏩
Jesus christ lol. And keep in mind that 5 years of gains you're referring to is the first 5 years you started, assuming you're an adult. As a natty, from your 5th to 10th year of training you're going to make extremely minimal progress in terms of muscle size. I'd argue if you were consistent and trained hard and on point for those first 5 years then you're near maxed out at that point and all you're doing is maintaining and/or trying to lower your bodyfat and stay healthy.I basically trained the same way I did before aside from adding weight to lifts at a faster rate(much faster). But yeah made about 5 years worth of gains in 12 weeks.
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12-21-2022, 01:22 PM
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Nobody would have a problem with you if you were only giving unsolicited advice
Your outright attacking people on here merely because they aren't lifting like you
Like a poster makes a thread with some barbell rows. If you just posted "hey man youd probably make better progress if you kept your back position the same" nobody would have a problem. But out of nowhere you are like "you stupid fuking moron, only idiots do rows like that no wonder you look like chit"
Your outright attacking people on here merely because they aren't lifting like you
Like a poster makes a thread with some barbell rows. If you just posted "hey man youd probably make better progress if you kept your back position the same" nobody would have a problem. But out of nowhere you are like "you stupid fuking moron, only idiots do rows like that no wonder you look like chit"
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12-21-2022, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By SaviorSelfJT⏩
For some reason that's how every single "hypertrophy expert" seems to act.Nobody would have a problem with you if you were only giving unsolicited advice
Your outright attacking people on here merely because they aren't lifting like you
Like a poster makes a thread with some barbell rows. If you just posted "hey man youd probably make better progress if you kept your back position the same" nobody would have a problem. But out of nowhere you are like "you stupid fuking moron, only idiots do rows like that no wonder you look like chit"
Your outright attacking people on here merely because they aren't lifting like you
Like a poster makes a thread with some barbell rows. If you just posted "hey man youd probably make better progress if you kept your back position the same" nobody would have a problem. But out of nowhere you are like "you stupid fuking moron, only idiots do rows like that no wonder you look like chit"
12-21-2022, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I get it, however you made a generality in your topic and I responded in kind with my own. i never said anything about you specifically. people who are big are often big in spite of training protocols + drugs. that's not to say there aren't natties with impressive results and know what they are doing. but i find the former being more common than the latter. or people on all sorts of chit that don't know what they are talking about.except as I stated I have been in the trenches actually being more passionate about bodybuilding than the VAST majority of people in this forum. It isnt subjective, it is objective. I am not "proud" of it honestly, to have wasted or spent so much life on ****ing bodybuilding, but here I am. It is just that I have chosen to actually LIFT consistently for over a decade 5 + days a week with only a week off here and there, like maybe 5 times. I have chosen to spend hours and hours reading 20+ books on lifting, nutrition, and hypertrophy. I have read countless studies, competed in bodybuilding powerlifting and strongman, and trained with some of the top professionals.
I am not just someone who has been going to golds gym and 24 hour fitness and dabbled with a cycle here and there and watched some youtube videos and instagram and tiktok experts and then decided I know everything.
I am not just someone who has been going to golds gym and 24 hour fitness and dabbled with a cycle here and there and watched some youtube videos and instagram and tiktok experts and then decided I know everything.
Originally Posted By GaryRidgway⏩
i think natties have less recovery capabilities, training capacity and a lot less room for error when it comes to things like nutrition, sleep and training. I'm not talking about elite levels or anything bc obviously that requires everything to be on point regardless. So in terms of volume/frequency/rep ranges I think it should be different. I think as well too muscles of a roided lifter would grow much faster than the underlying tendons, so that is another point to consider. Biomechanically, perhaps not so different unless chasing pumps leads to greater gains for roided lifters but I'm not really gonna delve into that as I don't know much.Do you think natties should train significantly different than enhanced lifters?
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
If I am being completely objective besides the professors and Ph.d people like Brad Schoenfield or Eric Helms, the most knowledgeable people are enhanced. There are plenty of great intelligent natties out there too, I am not trying to compare the two, but the majority of the people who have the knowledge on how to add substantial muscle, are also enhanced. So to constantly discredit people because they themselves take PED's and say they are somehow "jaded" and cant know anything about what it is like to be natty because all their experience is only while on PED's is just ignorance. To think that someone on PED's can not learn things just as valuable to someone not on PED's is plain fukking stupid or ego serving. Yes there are plenty of differences in someone on PED's and not that is not the argument here, the argument is discrediting the ability for someone to have knowledge on someone natty because they are on PED's.I get it, however you made a generality in your topic and I responded in kind with my own. i never said anything about you specifically. people who are big are often big in spite of training protocols + drugs. that's not to say there aren't natties with impressive results and know what they are doing. but i find the former being more common than the latter. or people on all sorts of chit that don't know what they are talking about.
i think natties have less recovery capabilities, training capacity and a lot less room for error when it comes to things like nutrition, sleep and training. I'm not talking about elite levels or anything bc obviously that requires everything to be on point regardless. So in terms of volume/frequency/rep ranges I think it should be different. I think as well too muscles of a roided lifter would grow much faster than the underlying tendons, so that is another point to consider. Biomechanically, perhaps not so different unless chasing pumps leads to greater gains for roided lifters but I'm not really gonna delve into that as I don't know much.
i think natties have less recovery capabilities, training capacity and a lot less room for error when it comes to things like nutrition, sleep and training. I'm not talking about elite levels or anything bc obviously that requires everything to be on point regardless. So in terms of volume/frequency/rep ranges I think it should be different. I think as well too muscles of a roided lifter would grow much faster than the underlying tendons, so that is another point to consider. Biomechanically, perhaps not so different unless chasing pumps leads to greater gains for roided lifters but I'm not really gonna delve into that as I don't know much.
To others saying I am just trying to be an arse and flex superiority, no that is not what I am doing/intent is. I am trying to say there are ways to constantly improve beyond where you are if you STOP thinking you have things so figured out because you have been doing this for XX years or whatever. I have been in that place. I have been lifting for over 20 years too if you want to count the whole time I have been in a gym lifting free weights. I STILL know I don't have it all figured out everyday I am in the gym. I argue with the people who think they already do and clearly dont and think its all about "how many reps and sets" or "squats or hack squats?" but they dont even understand how to properly move their body to do anything intentional. I video myself DAILY to correct my own form, so I am 10x more of an arse to myself than anyone on here, so it is definitely not me trying to be superior.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I think you're onto something here. Once you get to a certain level of knowledge/experience you realize just how pointless it is trying to do every single thing right as a natty when you can hop on a couple bicycles and surpass your absolute peak natty self in a matter of months...If I am being completely objective besides the professors and Ph.d people like Brad Schoenfield or Eric Helms, the most knowledgeable people are enhanced. There are plenty of great intelligent natties out there too, I am not trying to compare the two, but the majority of the people who have the knowledge on how to add substantial muscle, are also enhanced. So to constantly discredit people because they themselves take PED's and say they are somehow "jaded" and cant know anything about what it is like to be natty because all their experience is only while on PED's is just ignorance. To think that someone on PED's can not learn things just as valuable to someone not on PED's is plain fukking stupid or ego serving. Yes there are plenty of differences in someone on PED's and not that is not the argument here, the argument is discrediting the ability for someone to have knowledge on someone natty because they are on PED's.
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12-21-2022, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine⏩
I really dont agree with this statement, there are far many more reasons besides this and this wont remotely be the case for everyone based on their levels, but IF I did agree it still would not matter for the information that person has which is the point I am trying to make. Constantly going back to referencing the fact they themselves are not natural has very little to nothing to do with the information they are presenting unless it is specifically only about themselves. But if I am saying that doing a hack squat in a certain way is more beneficial, that has nothing to do with with if I am natty or not. You either argue the information I presented, or you dont, but referencing "but peds' has fukking nothing to do with anything.I think you're onto something here. Once you get to a certain level of knowledge/experience you realize just how pointless it is trying to do every single thing right as a natty when you can hop on a couple bicycles and surpass your absolute peak natty self in a matter of months...
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Originally Posted By nn586⏩
it gives you more incentive to workout because you have higher testosterone.Roids not only chemically enhance you but it also gives you more incentive to workout cause you know you will see results if you put just 50% of the work you put in.
That whole gains without much work is a beginner thing, its like a secondary beginner gains you get for a few months to a year then it levels and drops way off and you have to do everything anyone else would to keep progressing, or abuse drugs and repeatedly get injured and look ugly which is what some do. But otherwise if you arent abusing them you just level off and literally have to find the SAME exact methods to keep progressing as anyone else. Yes it will be faster and you can go further but the METHODS are the same.
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