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01-28-2023, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted By neilsabo⏩
Should read Malaki Martin. srsR u aware there is a civil war that's been going on in the Catholic church for literally decades
Guess what the 2 sides are and which one this pope is on
Guess what the 2 sides are and which one this pope is on
01-28-2023, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted By fightorrot⏩
Do you believe it to be the truth or not?Islam will never break
Didn't they stop the khazars? If so that's alpha af
Didn't they stop the khazars? If so that's alpha af
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Originally Posted By fightorrot⏩
Lol again by that logic, catholics still come out on top (id rather not judge religion on wars tho but if thats logic you wanna use), Ottoman Empire (khazar descendants, who also ended byzantine orthodox) got whooped left and right by Crusaders at lepanto, Vienna (twice), Diu, Habsburg wars & many more. George 5th king of england who took jerusalem from ottoman (last and most successful caliphate at its prime) & colonised them was direct descendant of Richard Lionheart the third crusaders bloodline and England to this day use Crusader cross on flag (Saint george cross but they cukd rn)Islam will never break
Didn't they stop the khazars? If so that's alpha af
Didn't they stop the khazars? If so that's alpha af
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01-28-2023, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted By fightorrot⏩
Stopped reading there because you're clearly a fuking moron who wants to be different and stand outI swear islam looks better day after day
Go join the libtards you moron
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01-28-2023, 10:39 PM
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[QUOTE=keyboardworkout post_id=1676054633]Martin Luther, who had spent time in Rome, claimed that Pope Leo X had vetoed a measure that cardinals should restrict the number of boys they kept for their pleasure, "otherwise it would have been spread throughout the world how openly and shamelessly the pope and the cardinals in Rome practice sodomy" and encouraged Germans not to spend time fighting fellow countrymen in defense of the papacy.
Luther also noted:
I for my part do not enjoy dealing with this passage [Genesis 19:4-5], because so far the ears of the Germans are innocent of and uncontaminated by this monstrous depravity; for even though disgrace, like other sins, has crept in through an ungodly soldier and a lewd merchant, still the rest of the people are unaware of what is being done in secret. The Carthusian monks deserve to be hated because they were the first to bring this terrible pollution into Germany from the monasteries of Italy.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/k0V1M.jpg[img][/QUOTE]LOL this goes right in line with what my friend was telling me about homosexuality, the church, and celibacy - and how it's a guise for homosexuality..
These people have no idea - the only true celibates are the monks and other devotees of the eastern spiritualities derived from Vedic religion, since they are celibates for a very good reason.
As an 'Orthodox', this makes me proud, because all of our priests are banging away and married with children, because they're not insane enough to pretend like they've given up on sex and they don't enjoy time with a women - when doing so is only really applicable to those who are undergoing SERIOUS spiritual transformations and processes, so serious that they forget they have a sexual urge since it's essentially replaced with a blissfulness a thousandfold strong as an orgasam.
Otherwise, if you are gay then you are allowed to be gay, I see no problem with this, since we live in an open society - even if you are not gay, who am I to tell somebody who they should and shouldn't be intimate with?
I'm simply here to teach a science, the same science that gave rise to the western concept of celibacy - which is impossible to effectively practice in the long term unless you know how the mechanics of the human organism and Being work.
Luther also noted:
I for my part do not enjoy dealing with this passage [Genesis 19:4-5], because so far the ears of the Germans are innocent of and uncontaminated by this monstrous depravity; for even though disgrace, like other sins, has crept in through an ungodly soldier and a lewd merchant, still the rest of the people are unaware of what is being done in secret. The Carthusian monks deserve to be hated because they were the first to bring this terrible pollution into Germany from the monasteries of Italy.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/k0V1M.jpg[img][/QUOTE]LOL this goes right in line with what my friend was telling me about homosexuality, the church, and celibacy - and how it's a guise for homosexuality..
These people have no idea - the only true celibates are the monks and other devotees of the eastern spiritualities derived from Vedic religion, since they are celibates for a very good reason.
As an 'Orthodox', this makes me proud, because all of our priests are banging away and married with children, because they're not insane enough to pretend like they've given up on sex and they don't enjoy time with a women - when doing so is only really applicable to those who are undergoing SERIOUS spiritual transformations and processes, so serious that they forget they have a sexual urge since it's essentially replaced with a blissfulness a thousandfold strong as an orgasam.
Otherwise, if you are gay then you are allowed to be gay, I see no problem with this, since we live in an open society - even if you are not gay, who am I to tell somebody who they should and shouldn't be intimate with?
I'm simply here to teach a science, the same science that gave rise to the western concept of celibacy - which is impossible to effectively practice in the long term unless you know how the mechanics of the human organism and Being work.
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01-28-2023, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted By grifith234⏩
I mean they mentioned her age pretty clearly in sahih al bukhari hadith but I was reffering to retarded logic he used lol catholics aint worship pope and Muslims aint worship muhummadBut this was objectively proven false, zionists and their puppets spread this propaganda against the muslims. But from what I recall Aisha was between 17-19 years of age, this is backed up by recordings of ages in different points of time with reliable hadiths. But lies travel faster than the truth afterall.
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01-28-2023, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
I understand your points on how killing homosexuals is more of a sin than actually being homosexual, this makes sense.I get what he's saying.
He's saying that sin is not always illegal. I'm sure he's referring to countries in Africa where they kill homosexuals, so that is more sinful than being homosexual.
Thus, the Pope is trying to save some lives.
However, the human revulsion to homosexuals and degenerate behavior will overwhelm people like the Pope and, as I have predicted in many posts, there will be some kind of "New Islam" and then a holocaust.
Regarding the Pope, it says in the Bible that we can't judge anyone because only god knows what's on their mind. So, making a "sin" illegal is already and example of people not caring about the Bible.
The fact is they think homosexuality is disgusting and they are not listening or caring what Jesus has to say about it. so Christianity has nothing to do with it.
He's saying that sin is not always illegal. I'm sure he's referring to countries in Africa where they kill homosexuals, so that is more sinful than being homosexual.
Thus, the Pope is trying to save some lives.
However, the human revulsion to homosexuals and degenerate behavior will overwhelm people like the Pope and, as I have predicted in many posts, there will be some kind of "New Islam" and then a holocaust.
Regarding the Pope, it says in the Bible that we can't judge anyone because only god knows what's on their mind. So, making a "sin" illegal is already and example of people not caring about the Bible.
The fact is they think homosexuality is disgusting and they are not listening or caring what Jesus has to say about it. so Christianity has nothing to do with it.
But if homosexuality wasn't a crime, then wouldn't it be saying in a way, that it is acceptable? In a hypothetical non-secular christian state, this makes no sense, its a contradiction.
In Islam, it is not a sin to be a homosexual, but a sin to commit homosexual acts. So making homosexual acts illegal seems perfectly logical to me, religion should be tied into the state I think, and shouldn't be seperated. Because then you get into the territory of passing laws that are immoral and sinful, yet "lawful". This seems to be a slippery slope towards a path to a broken and decadent society.
Also there can't really be any sort of widespread "new islam" as the quran and (reliable) hadiths are universally consistent, have never been, or can be changed. So to create a "new islam", would require changing the quran, this will literally evoke bloodshed, lmao, muslims would not stand for this. So, there may be more modern islam individually for muslims in the west, but they would just be bad muslims, and there would be no "new islam".
01-28-2023, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted By PrehistoricUFO⏩
ok, then stop saying its the church jesus talked about that the gates of hell will not prevail against. it's wicked BRUHFrancis is the most unpopular pope our institution has had in centuries. He is literally an apostate.
The pope is not divine, it is perfectly fine to denounce him if one is a practicing Catholic.
In my parish, he is regularly bashed by the clergy in the form of humor during the homily, but it is thinly veiled - everyone knows what's up.
Parish-hop until you find a church that doesn't simp. Following the liturgical calendar of the church doesn't mean blind loyalty to the politics.
The pope is not divine, it is perfectly fine to denounce him if one is a practicing Catholic.
In my parish, he is regularly bashed by the clergy in the form of humor during the homily, but it is thinly veiled - everyone knows what's up.
Parish-hop until you find a church that doesn't simp. Following the liturgical calendar of the church doesn't mean blind loyalty to the politics.
01-28-2023, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted By grifith234⏩
proven false by who? even the scholars say it was just the norm at the time...But this was objectively proven false, zionists and their puppets spread this propaganda against the muslims. But from what I recall Aisha was between 17-19 years of age, this is backed up by recordings of ages in different points of time with reliable hadiths. But lies travel faster than the truth afterall.
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Originally Posted By Saiyanbrahh⏩
Sahi al bukhari is a suni book that sunni's believe to be 100% correct and unquestionable, however very few hadiths are unquestionable. There are things correct things in sahi al bukhari, it can be a good resource for hadiths, but it is not "sahi", it is not 100% correct. There are several things in it that go against the principles of Islam, thus must be false.I mean they mentioned her age pretty clearly in sahih al bukhari hadith but I was reffering to retarded logic he used lol catholics aint worship pope and Muslims aint worship muhummad
Yes, I see your point, muslims dont worship the prophet, they only worship God.
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Originally Posted By Saiyanbrahh⏩
i'm not a muslim, but if you're bringing up holy wars my money is on the Muslims. Go look at a map of the muslim majority countries and then consider it's the fastest growing religion and the west is on the declineLol again by that logic, catholics still come out on top (id rather not judge religion on wars tho but if thats logic you wanna use), Ottoman Empire (khazar descendants, who also ended byzantine orthodox) got whooped left and right by Crusaders at lepanto, Vienna (twice), Diu, Habsburg wars & many more. George 5th king of england who took jerusalem from ottoman (last and most successful caliphate at its prime) & colonised them was direct descendant of Richard Lionheart the third crusaders bloodline and England to this day use Crusader cross on flag (Saint george cross but they cukd rn)
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8⏩
It is the fastest growing religion in the western world (and the world). Historians were amazed at the expansion of Islam in the 7th century and still have no reason as how it was logically possible. They compared it to Eskimos conquering Russia and America today.i'm not a muslim, but if you're bringing up holy wars my money is on the Muslims. Go look at a map of the muslim majority countries and then consider it's the fastest growing religion and the west is on the decline
You have to put things into context as well - the Muslims at that time were surrounded by the Roman and Persian Empires. And an Empire is one who wants to impose themselves onto you so either you get ran through or you defend yourselves and anyone with a brain would agree that you protect yourself.
Mind you, winning wars isn't an indicator that ones faith is true. We shouldn't derive a religion is the truth purely by numbers or winning wars. If we look at the Bible and Quran, Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him) was a nation on his own and his father and society worshipped idols. Still, he prevailed and from him, God blessed with offspring and he's the father of the Prophets.
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8⏩
AGAIN Id really rather NOT judge religions based on wars (OP did) but I mean all of em got colonised in endi'm not a muslim, but if you're bringing up holy wars my money is on the Muslims. Go look at a map of the muslim majority countries and then consider it's the fastest growing religion and the west is on the decline
& yes islam is fastest growing religion rn
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Originally Posted By grifith234⏩
Its graded sahih but yes I know, I was just using same retarded logic back lelThere are several things in it that go against the principles of Islam, thus must be false
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Which is how you know The Jews are the chosen people..not the Muslims. Christians are under the same bond as the Jews, Muslims worship a completely different GodIt is the fastest growing religion in the western world (and the world). Historians were amazed at the expansion of Islam in the 7th century and still have no reason as how it was logically possible. They compared it to Eskimos conquering Russia and America today.
You have to put things into context as well - the Muslims at that time were surrounded by the Roman and Persian Empires. And an Empire is one who wants to impose themselves onto you so either you get ran through or you defend yourselves and anyone with a brain would agree that you protect yourself.
Mind you, winning wars isn't an indicator that ones faith is true. We shouldn't derive a religion is the truth purely by numbers or winning wars. If we look at the Bible and Quran, Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him) was a nation on his own and his father and society worshipped idols. Still, he prevailed and from him, God blessed with offspring and he's the father of the Prophets.
You have to put things into context as well - the Muslims at that time were surrounded by the Roman and Persian Empires. And an Empire is one who wants to impose themselves onto you so either you get ran through or you defend yourselves and anyone with a brain would agree that you protect yourself.
Mind you, winning wars isn't an indicator that ones faith is true. We shouldn't derive a religion is the truth purely by numbers or winning wars. If we look at the Bible and Quran, Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him) was a nation on his own and his father and society worshipped idols. Still, he prevailed and from him, God blessed with offspring and he's the father of the Prophets.
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The old Pope just released a book claiming there are gay clubs in the Catholic Church.
Media basically ignored it.
Media basically ignored it.
A young bull and an old bull were standing atop a hill looking at a bunch of heifers in a field below.
The young bull says "Let's run down this hill and fuk one of those heifers."
The old bull replies "No. Let's walk down there, and fuk them all."
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Originally Posted By Paul
Abraham wasn't a Jew. Where did I say Muslims are the chosen people? Jews from Judah, Christians from Christ...prior to them, what did Abraham follow? Secondly, you have a misconception linguistically of what Muslim means. It's not named after a man.Which is how you know The Jews are the chosen people..not the Muslims. Christians are under the same bond as the Jews, Muslims worship a completely different God
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They say, "Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided." Say, "Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
Allah affirms your claim - they were definitely chosen at a time because they received many prophets.
2:40
O children of Israel! Remember My favours upon you. Fulfil your covenant and I will fulfil Mine, and stand in awe of Me ˹alone˺.
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O Children of Israel! Remember ˹all˺ the favours I granted you and how I honoured you above the others.
Some took it as a we are better than other nations and only God loves us.
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Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O Jews! If you claim to be Allah’s chosen ˹people˺ out of all humanity, then wish for death, if what you say is true.”
But they will never wish for that because of what their hands have done. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of the wrongdoers.
Say, “The death you are running away from will inevitably come to you. Then you will be returned to the Knower of the seen and unseen, and He will inform you of what you used to do.”
I don't think I want to engage with you in all respect. I will clarify your misconceptions and hopefully someone learns from it. The last comment cemented it for me brah - you say I believe in a moon God is dishonest. If Jesus taught you not to lie, then I'd advice you follow him if you believe in him. You are free to your own beliefs however.
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And the irony of your statement is the Jews don't even believe in your God, let alone him being a prophet. They can't even pray in your churches because they claim you practice paganism.
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Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Catholics deceive by ignorance, generational dogma, sociopolitical clout, and money.
Islamists deceive by ingratiating themselves, and claiming to worship the God of the Bible as opposed to the enemy of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Both are part of the globalhomo agenda, they're pawns which are perceived by lemmings as at odds. Their penchant for death, depravity, and war shows who their boss is...
Islamists deceive by ingratiating themselves, and claiming to worship the God of the Bible as opposed to the enemy of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Both are part of the globalhomo agenda, they're pawns which are perceived by lemmings as at odds. Their penchant for death, depravity, and war shows who their boss is...
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Originally Posted By Saiyanbrahh⏩
Oh ok I see what you're getting at now. I thought you were the one using retarded logic since I didn't mention anything about Catholics worshipping the popeI mean they mentioned her age pretty clearly in sahih al bukhari hadith but I was reffering to retarded logic he used lol catholics aint worship pope and Muslims aint worship muhummad
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The old nonces from the faith are dying off-Catholics & Church Of England are now embracing trans culture to keep themselves alive & satisfy a younger generation of kiddie diddlers-who are pretty much beyond criticism from the media etc.
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Originally Posted By Dogkrack⏩
Lmaoill bet you love judaism eh rabbi? baby dik sucking scum
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Originally Posted By grifith234⏩
Does it specify that he had sexual relations with a 9 year old or that he married her with the intent of having procreative sex when she's 13/14 , which was common all around the world at that time, as it is even now in this day.But this was objectively proven false, zionists and their puppets spread this propaganda against the muslims. But from what I recall Aisha was between 17-19 years of age, this is backed up by recordings of ages in different points of time with reliable hadiths. But lies travel faster than the truth afterall.
Originally Posted By Saiyanbrahh⏩
Did they mention that he had sexual relations to her?I mean they mentioned her age pretty clearly in sahih al bukhari hadith but I was reffering to retarded logic he used lol catholics aint worship pope and Muslims aint worship muhummad
Originally Posted By grifith234⏩
Why don't you go back to and or live in a country where there is sharia law?I understand your points on how killing homosexuals is more of a sin than actually being homosexual, this makes sense.
But if homosexuality wasn't a crime, then wouldn't it be saying in a way, that it is acceptable? In a hypothetical non-secular christian state, this makes no sense, its a contradiction.
In Islam, it is not a sin to be a homosexual, but a sin to commit homosexual acts. So making homosexual acts illegal seems perfectly logical to me, religion should be tied into the state I think, and shouldn't be seperated. Because then you get into the territory of passing laws that are immoral and sinful, yet "lawful". This seems to be a slippery slope towards a path to a broken and decadent society.
Also there can't really be any sort of widespread "new islam" as the quran and (reliable) hadiths are universally consistent, have never been, or can be changed. So to create a "new islam", would require changing the quran, this will literally evoke bloodshed, lmao, muslims would not stand for this. So, there may be more modern islam individually for muslims in the west, but they would just be bad muslims, and there would be no "new islam".
But if homosexuality wasn't a crime, then wouldn't it be saying in a way, that it is acceptable? In a hypothetical non-secular christian state, this makes no sense, its a contradiction.
In Islam, it is not a sin to be a homosexual, but a sin to commit homosexual acts. So making homosexual acts illegal seems perfectly logical to me, religion should be tied into the state I think, and shouldn't be seperated. Because then you get into the territory of passing laws that are immoral and sinful, yet "lawful". This seems to be a slippery slope towards a path to a broken and decadent society.
Also there can't really be any sort of widespread "new islam" as the quran and (reliable) hadiths are universally consistent, have never been, or can be changed. So to create a "new islam", would require changing the quran, this will literally evoke bloodshed, lmao, muslims would not stand for this. So, there may be more modern islam individually for muslims in the west, but they would just be bad muslims, and there would be no "new islam".
Originally Posted By grifith234⏩
So you're saying that people at times break the 'rules' that 'god' has set for them and act on their own accord, and then you call those Hadiths?Sahi al bukhari is a suni book that sunni's believe to be 100% correct and unquestionable, however very few hadiths are unquestionable. There are things correct things in sahi al bukhari, it can be a good resource for hadiths, but it is not "sahi", it is not 100% correct. There are several things in it that go against the principles of Islam, thus must be false.
Yes, I see your point, muslims dont worship the prophet, they only worship God.
Yes, I see your point, muslims dont worship the prophet, they only worship God.
Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Of course it's the widespread when Muslims are told to reproduce like bunny rabbits and the forcefully convert the populations that their armies subjugate.It is the fastest growing religion in the western world (and the world). Historians were amazed at the expansion of Islam in the 7th century and still have no reason as how it was logically possible. They compared it to Eskimos conquering Russia and America today.
You have to put things into context as well - the Muslims at that time were surrounded by the Roman and Persian Empires. And an Empire is one who wants to impose themselves onto you so either you get ran through or you defend yourselves and anyone with a brain would agree that you protect yourself.
Mind you, winning wars isn't an indicator that ones faith is true. We shouldn't derive a religion is the truth purely by numbers or winning wars. If we look at the Bible and Quran, Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him) was a nation on his own and his father and society worshipped idols. Still, he prevailed and from him, God blessed with offspring and he's the father of the Prophets.
You have to put things into context as well - the Muslims at that time were surrounded by the Roman and Persian Empires. And an Empire is one who wants to impose themselves onto you so either you get ran through or you defend yourselves and anyone with a brain would agree that you protect yourself.
Mind you, winning wars isn't an indicator that ones faith is true. We shouldn't derive a religion is the truth purely by numbers or winning wars. If we look at the Bible and Quran, Abraham (Peace Be Upon Him) was a nation on his own and his father and society worshipped idols. Still, he prevailed and from him, God blessed with offspring and he's the father of the Prophets.
Originally Posted By Paul
The god of Jews is not the God that Jesus Christ was referencing - Jesus Claims that he himself was god and which I 100% back.. but you have to understand that that's what Luciferians also believe.. that man is god.. I personally believe that humans are able to understand that they are the whole of existence and work with that information, hence a man can understand that he is the creator and the creator of God, because without mankind God would not exist ... but so too is every other living creature on this planet, as is the 'non-living' stuff - so I guess it's easier to listen to a God telling you to not eat pork, but eat cow, goat, chicken, and kill those who question your belief system relentlessly, than it is to be a vegan and non-materialist celibate to 110%.Which is how you know The Jews are the chosen people..not the Muslims. Christians are under the same bond as the Jews, Muslims worship a completely different God
I don't know who the God or the Jews is, some say it's yahweh and others say that it's allah - I personally don't know.
I've done some research and what I've learned from that research is that both of these gods were originally derived from a pantheon of gods and then these gods were all 'fit into one' for the sake of simplicity at first and then for the sake of murder afterwards.
Originally Posted By BasedNobleman⏩
Islam is not part of that agenda - although somebody could be using somebody's blind faith for 'evil', that's for sure.Catholics deceive by ignorance, generational dogma, sociopolitical clout, and money.
Islamists deceive by ingratiating themselves, and claiming to worship the God of the Bible as opposed to the enemy of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Both are part of the globalhomo agenda, they're pawns which are perceived by lemmings as at odds. Their penchant for death, depravity, and war shows who their boss is...
Islamists deceive by ingratiating themselves, and claiming to worship the God of the Bible as opposed to the enemy of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Both are part of the globalhomo agenda, they're pawns which are perceived by lemmings as at odds. Their penchant for death, depravity, and war shows who their boss is...
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01-29-2023, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
The Muslim nations are weak and attacked 25/8 by the media yet people are converting. By conversion, not birth rates as well. Is it my fault the west went to hedonism and stopped having children? Your claims are kind of wrong (but I understand why you feel that way tbh many ppl think that). No one can subjugate people into Islam. If they are, that is forbidden. Whoever does otherwise is at fault and that is oppression and they will have to answer to Allah. Have you even bothered reading the book and maybe you'd clarify these issues before making that statement. Don't worry there's no sword in there brah you'll be fine it's paper and ink. If you prefer electronic just to be safe:https://quran.com/Of course it's the widespread when Muslims are told to reproduce like bunny rabbits and the forcefully convert the populations that their armies subjugate.
I don't know who the God or the Jews is, some say it's yahweh and others say that it's allah - I personally don't know.
I don't know who the God or the Jews is, some say it's yahweh and others say that it's allah - I personally don't know.
2:256
Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces Taghut (false gods) and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
Some scholars don't negate that Yahweh could be one of Allah's name (but it's not really a thing I care too much about). In Islam, Allah has many names and the best names belong to him.
https://www.islamicity.org/covers/99-names-of-allah/
Allah literally translates to two words "al" and "ilah" which mean "The God". There is a word in Arabic that is "Ilah" that means "God" but refers to any God. Allah is specific to the one and only God. There is no gender on the word Allah in Arabic (like you have God and Goddess). There is no plural to it. Allah refers to himself as "he" but that is the nature of the Arabic language...for example, the sun in Arabic is Feminine and the moon is masculine, but the sun nor moon have genders. He also refers to himself as "We" in the Quran but no Muslim ever says Allah is more than one (and Jews as well). This is the royal we (In English, they have it as well). When you refer to yourself as a plural, it shows your strength and might. Another example in the O.T. is when it is said that "I have made you as Elohim to Pharaoh" in Exodus 7:1 rereferring to Moses but there isn't more than 1 Moses.
2:136
Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
The birth of Muslims goes back to Sarah's children, or rather Hagar's illegitimate son Ishmael .Isaac was born to Abraham and Sarah, and Hagar and Ishmael were driven away because of Ishmael’s attitude toward Isaac.Abraham wasn't a Jew. Where did I say Muslims are the chosen people? Jews from Judah, Christians from Christ...prior to them, what did Abraham follow? Secondly, you have a misconception linguistically of what Muslim means. It's not named after a man.
3:67
They say, "Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided." Say, "Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
Allah affirms your claim - they were definitely chosen at a time because they received many prophets.
2:40
O children of Israel! Remember My favours upon you. Fulfil your covenant and I will fulfil Mine, and stand in awe of Me ˹alone˺.
2:47
O Children of Israel! Remember ˹all˺ the favours I granted you and how I honoured you above the others.
Some took it as a we are better than other nations and only God loves us.
62:6-8
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O Jews! If you claim to be Allah’s chosen ˹people˺ out of all humanity, then wish for death, if what you say is true.”
But they will never wish for that because of what their hands have done. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of the wrongdoers.
Say, “The death you are running away from will inevitably come to you. Then you will be returned to the Knower of the seen and unseen, and He will inform you of what you used to do.”
I don't think I want to engage with you in all respect. I will clarify your misconceptions and hopefully someone learns from it. The last comment cemented it for me brah - you say I believe in a moon God is dishonest. If Jesus taught you not to lie, then I'd advice you follow him if you believe in him. You are free to your own beliefs however.
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And the irony of your statement is the Jews don't even believe in your God, let alone him being a prophet. They can't even pray in your churches because they claim you practice paganism.
3:67
They say, "Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided." Say, "Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
Allah affirms your claim - they were definitely chosen at a time because they received many prophets.
2:40
O children of Israel! Remember My favours upon you. Fulfil your covenant and I will fulfil Mine, and stand in awe of Me ˹alone˺.
2:47
O Children of Israel! Remember ˹all˺ the favours I granted you and how I honoured you above the others.
Some took it as a we are better than other nations and only God loves us.
62:6-8
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “O Jews! If you claim to be Allah’s chosen ˹people˺ out of all humanity, then wish for death, if what you say is true.”
But they will never wish for that because of what their hands have done. And Allah has ˹perfect˺ knowledge of the wrongdoers.
Say, “The death you are running away from will inevitably come to you. Then you will be returned to the Knower of the seen and unseen, and He will inform you of what you used to do.”
I don't think I want to engage with you in all respect. I will clarify your misconceptions and hopefully someone learns from it. The last comment cemented it for me brah - you say I believe in a moon God is dishonest. If Jesus taught you not to lie, then I'd advice you follow him if you believe in him. You are free to your own beliefs however.
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And the irony of your statement is the Jews don't even believe in your God, let alone him being a prophet. They can't even pray in your churches because they claim you practice paganism.
Genesis 21:9–10
But Sarah usaw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, laughing. So she said to Abraham, w“Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.”
You do believe in a moon God..I don't think you know the history of your religion..
Many Jews do accept Christ as their savior, they are called Messianic Jews, I think you have alot to learn
God's chosen people are the Jews, in which Christians are grafted in
Btw, you are not Palestinian, and there is no Palestine. Aarafat stole that name and identity. That name comes from the Roman Emperor Hadrid, in which he named that region and people Palestine after the Philistines, Israel's perpetual enemy, and they were killed off long ago. They were a sea fairing people from Crete..there is no Palestine, there never was a Palestine state.
Allah does not love sinners. Here are just a couple of examples:
Quran 2:276
“Allah does not love any ungrateful sinner.”
Quran 3:32
“Surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.”
Quran 4:36
“Surely Allah does not love him who is proud.”
Quran 5:64
“Allah does not love the mischief-makers”
Quran 6:141
“Surely He does not love the extravagant.”
If you are a sinner, an unbeliever, proud, or extravagant, the Quran says that Allah does not love you.
Oh, how different the God of the Bible is!
The Bible says that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob loves the whole world, including sinners! Of course, Jesus said in . . .
John 3:16
“God so loved the world [that’s everybody!] that He gave His one and only unique Son, that whosoever believes in Him, would not perish but have everlasting life.”
Romans 5:8
“God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
This is good news for those of us who realize we are sinners! The Bible also teaches that believers are adopted into God’s family (Ephesians 1:5) and can personally address God as “Father” (Matthew 6:9, Romans 8:15).
The God of the Bible offers mankind a personal relationship of great intimacy. That is not the case in Islam. In Islam there is no fatherly concept of God. To most Muslims, Allah is understood more as a remote judge, who is not personally involved with mankind.
Islam is not about fellowship with God, but service, submission and allegiance to God. These are just some of the differences between the Quran’s portrayal of God and the Bible’s.
01-29-2023, 04:30 PM
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01-29-2023, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By neilsabo⏩
it would be nice if this were true.R u aware there is a civil war that's been going on in the Catholic church for literally decades
Guess what the 2 sides are and which one this pope is on
Guess what the 2 sides are and which one this pope is on
But I think it's more like 90%+ supporting the side of globohomo.
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Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
41:37
And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.
Brootal - imagine not being Jewish then. Imagine believing that the OT is legit and at the same time doesn't even accept you (inb4 you are a Jew who converted to Christianity in which you found the biggest hack I must admit - no laws and God loves you lmao). Dam, didn't believe God was a racist srs. I thought your Jesus taught love and peace. Even more, he was only sent to the Jews. Didn't he cast away a Canaanite woman because she wasn't a Jew in the Bible and called her a dog (and this was an insult they used to refer to non Jews)? His disciples had to beg him to send her away. And he helped her after he insulted her (me slapping you and giving you candy doesn't justify my slap).
My Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) would never do that; he was a mighty messenger and a loving man. You even blaspheme Jesus how crazy is that?!?
Matthew 15:22-28
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
So you want a God who likes the prideful? I thought you believe pride wasn't a good thing in the Bible? Wasn't that what Satin had?
Love is special - idk if you just love everyone but okay. I hope you love me brah but sounds like you don't
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If someone comes and murders your children, good luck loving that person then. Good luck turning the other cheek though (and call me if you need emotional support brah I'll rep you and listen srs). I hope you love that murderer and don't forget, God also loves that murderer too.
Imagine a Christian accepts Christ and kills a Hindu woman and she's destined for the fire and his sins are washed clean by Christs blood. Talk about love. Imagine killing an innocent man to wipe your sins and call that justice. Idk what world you come from brah I'm more just than your God because I would forgive someone if they ate a fruit from my garden srs. And to even make it right, he doesn't kill the man but his own son (or was it God...confusing)?
Originally Posted By Paul
Try againThe birth of Muslims goes back to Sarah's children
Originally Posted By Paul
Did it not say that we will bless Ishmael and make him a great nation? Which one is it brah? Btw, I also love Isaac and Jacob and the true followers of God at that time.or rather Hagar's illegitimate son Ishmael
Genesis 17:20
And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.
Originally Posted By Paul
No comment, not my belief and you're free to believe that. I don't believe Sarah was an evil women by the way. I am not surprised because you also blaspheme many of Gods Prophets (Solomon, Lot, etc.).Isaac was born to Abraham and Sarah, and Hagar and Ishmael were driven away because of Ishmael’s attitude toward Isaac.
Genesis 21:9–10
But Sarah usaw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, laughing. So she said to Abraham, w“Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.”
Genesis 21:9–10
But Sarah usaw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne to Abraham, laughing. So she said to Abraham, w“Cast out this slave woman with her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac.”
Originally Posted By Paul
Just lol...You do believe in a moon God..I don't think you know the history of your religion..
41:37
And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah , who created them, if it should be Him that you worship.
Originally Posted By Paul
Those are called Christians brah sorry...I know you want the Jews to accept you but the reality of it is the N.T. is in need of the O.T. when the Jews don't even care for the N.T.Many Jews do accept Christ as their savior, they are called Messianic Jews, I think you have alot to learn
Originally Posted By Paul
And with your logic, Abraham and Noah weren't chosen. Wow. It's over for them.God's chosen people are the Jews, in which Christians are grafted in
Brootal - imagine not being Jewish then. Imagine believing that the OT is legit and at the same time doesn't even accept you (inb4 you are a Jew who converted to Christianity in which you found the biggest hack I must admit - no laws and God loves you lmao). Dam, didn't believe God was a racist srs. I thought your Jesus taught love and peace. Even more, he was only sent to the Jews. Didn't he cast away a Canaanite woman because she wasn't a Jew in the Bible and called her a dog (and this was an insult they used to refer to non Jews)? His disciples had to beg him to send her away. And he helped her after he insulted her (me slapping you and giving you candy doesn't justify my slap).
My Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) would never do that; he was a mighty messenger and a loving man. You even blaspheme Jesus how crazy is that?!?
Matthew 15:22-28
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
Originally Posted By Paul
Amazing, don't care for politics.Btw, you are not Palestinian, and there is no Palestine. Aarafat stole that name and identity. That name comes from the Roman Emperor Hadrid, in which he named that region and people Palestine after the Philistines, Israel's perpetual enemy, and they were killed off long ago. They were a sea fairing people from Crete..there is no Palestine, there never was a Palestine state.
Originally Posted By Paul
So God loves the murderer right? Interesting. Thank you for clarifying.Allah does not love sinners. Here are just a couple of examples:
Quran 2:276
“Allah does not love any ungrateful sinner.”
Quran 3:32
“Surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.”
Quran 4:36
“Surely Allah does not love him who is proud.”
Quran 5:64
“Allah does not love the mischief-makers”
Quran 6:141
“Surely He does not love the extravagant.”
If you are a sinner, an unbeliever, proud, or extravagant, the Quran says that Allah does not love you.
Oh, how different the God of the Bible is!
The Bible says that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob loves the whole world, including sinners! Of course, Jesus said in . . .
John 3:16
“God so loved the world [that’s everybody!] that He gave His one and only unique Son, that whosoever believes in Him, would not perish but have everlasting life.”
Romans 5:8
“God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
This is good news for those of us who realize we are sinners! The Bible also teaches that believers are adopted into God’s family (Ephesians 1:5) and can personally address God as “Father” (Matthew 6:9, Romans 8:15).
The God of the Bible offers mankind a personal relationship of great intimacy. That is not the case in Islam. In Islam there is no fatherly concept of God. To most Muslims, Allah is understood more as a remote judge, who is not personally involved with mankind.
Islam is not about fellowship with God, but service, submission and allegiance to God. These are just some of the differences between the Quran’s portrayal of God and the Bible’s.
Quran 2:276
“Allah does not love any ungrateful sinner.”
Quran 3:32
“Surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.”
Quran 4:36
“Surely Allah does not love him who is proud.”
Quran 5:64
“Allah does not love the mischief-makers”
Quran 6:141
“Surely He does not love the extravagant.”
If you are a sinner, an unbeliever, proud, or extravagant, the Quran says that Allah does not love you.
Oh, how different the God of the Bible is!
The Bible says that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob loves the whole world, including sinners! Of course, Jesus said in . . .
John 3:16
“God so loved the world [that’s everybody!] that He gave His one and only unique Son, that whosoever believes in Him, would not perish but have everlasting life.”
Romans 5:8
“God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”
This is good news for those of us who realize we are sinners! The Bible also teaches that believers are adopted into God’s family (Ephesians 1:5) and can personally address God as “Father” (Matthew 6:9, Romans 8:15).
The God of the Bible offers mankind a personal relationship of great intimacy. That is not the case in Islam. In Islam there is no fatherly concept of God. To most Muslims, Allah is understood more as a remote judge, who is not personally involved with mankind.
Islam is not about fellowship with God, but service, submission and allegiance to God. These are just some of the differences between the Quran’s portrayal of God and the Bible’s.
So you want a God who likes the prideful? I thought you believe pride wasn't a good thing in the Bible? Wasn't that what Satin had?
Love is special - idk if you just love everyone but okay. I hope you love me brah but sounds like you don't
.If someone comes and murders your children, good luck loving that person then. Good luck turning the other cheek though (and call me if you need emotional support brah I'll rep you and listen srs). I hope you love that murderer and don't forget, God also loves that murderer too.
Imagine a Christian accepts Christ and kills a Hindu woman and she's destined for the fire and his sins are washed clean by Christs blood. Talk about love. Imagine killing an innocent man to wipe your sins and call that justice. Idk what world you come from brah I'm more just than your God because I would forgive someone if they ate a fruit from my garden srs. And to even make it right, he doesn't kill the man but his own son (or was it God...confusing)?
2:136
Say, ˹O believers,˺ We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us; and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants; what was given to Moses, Jesus, and other prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them. And to Allah we all submit.
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