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03-01-2023, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
This. It's more important IMO to focus on voter initiatives. It's the truest representation of the people's will and bypasses fuk face pols who often stand in the way of progress or are tied to their donors. Next step should be banning out of state contributions to pols. One step at a time.They shouldn't. I'm in favor of ending that too.
But this is a nice first step. Nothing more toxic than when people like Soros or Kock can spends millions to subvert elections. And all these politicians have to bend the knee or lose. Get outside money out of elections and allow people to compete more fairly.
But this is a nice first step. Nothing more toxic than when people like Soros or Kock can spends millions to subvert elections. And all these politicians have to bend the knee or lose. Get outside money out of elections and allow people to compete more fairly.
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03-01-2023, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
Bro, guess what one of my first jobs was....petition circulator. One of the WOAT jobs unless you're an attractive female btw. The reason for background checks make sense, because you need to make sure no funny business is going on with signatures. Anyone who can't pass one, really shouldn't be doing it. I did it back in the 90s, but technology is far more advanced than it is nowMy only objection to the three items you listed would be to the requirement for a background check on petition circulators. I believe we already have a law that forbids non-residents from participating in signature collection. I do not see a mandatory background check as being anything other than an easy route to reject signatures.
I am looking at some data that I will update the thread with momentarily.
I am looking at some data that I will update the thread with momentarily.
Same goes for people who work the booths on election day. It's amazing how lax we are about these things
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03-01-2023, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By GroomerPat⏩
Oklahoma has a lot to offer actually, just not grooming children, which is why you feel it has nothing to offerOklahoma might the single worst state to live in. I know people point at other states but seriously that place offers NOTHING.
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03-01-2023, 01:31 PM
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I agree OP, the legacy GOP/RINO establishment needs to burn to the ground.
State Rep. Carl Newton, R-Waynoka, [...] is a co-sponsor on a House proposal seeking to ban out-of-state campaign contributions for state question campaigns.
“Do we need New York, California or some state out there sending in a bunch of money trying to influence our elections?” he said. “I just think Oklahomans should support Oklahomans.”
[color=red]Newton said he doesn’t think candidates — who often receive big donations from out-of-state companies or political action committees — should have the same restriction.[color]
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State Rep. Carl Newton, R-Waynoka, [...] is a co-sponsor on a House proposal seeking to ban out-of-state campaign contributions for state question campaigns.
“Do we need New York, California or some state out there sending in a bunch of money trying to influence our elections?” he said. “I just think Oklahomans should support Oklahomans.”
[color=red]Newton said he doesn’t think candidates — who often receive big donations from out-of-state companies or political action committees — should have the same restriction.[color]
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03-01-2023, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By -JR⏩
Yep. One of the great things about our country is we have 50 differing states where people can live as they want to a degree. I don't want big money on the left and right dictating what they all decide. That's what's dragged things down the past 40 years.This. It's more important IMO to focus on voter initiatives. It's the truest representation of the people's will and bypasses fuk face pols who often stand in the way of progress or are tied to their donors. Next step should be banning out of state contributions to pols. One step at a time.
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03-01-2023, 01:42 PM
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Owing to my inability to convey a coherent argument against this proposal to restrict voter initiatives, I'll refer to the words of one more familiar with the subject. Quotes obtainedfrom here.
Amber England, who ran the successful 2020 Medicaid expansion campaign, said these are scare tactics lawmakers use because they don’t want to cede control to voters.
"What you are hearing is politicians and the governor trying to make it harder for Oklahomans to use their voice to decide issues for themselves," she said. "It's disappointing, but not entirely surprising, because politicians like to control things and consolidate power for themselves."
The quote preceding the one above confirms her sentiment:"What you are hearing is politicians and the governor trying to make it harder for Oklahomans to use their voice to decide issues for themselves," she said. "It's disappointing, but not entirely surprising, because politicians like to control things and consolidate power for themselves."
In a press release about his proposal, [State Sen. Warren] Hamilton said "state questions are a way for out of state liberal groups who are not accountable to us to spread half-truths and lies and to circumvent our legislature."
Hamilton, who has previously made unfounded accusations about the 2020 presidential race, went on to make claims, without any evidence, that state question elections are a "golden opportunity for voter fraud, election tampering."
Finally, this is how initiatives are currently introduced:Hamilton, who has previously made unfounded accusations about the 2020 presidential race, went on to make claims, without any evidence, that state question elections are a "golden opportunity for voter fraud, election tampering."
Oklahoma is one of 28 states that has an initiative process, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. But it is more restrictive to get on the ballot here than in many states.
After filing a copy of the petition with the state and getting the go-ahead to proceed, citizen-led campaigns must collect enough signatures of registered voters to equal 8% of votes cast in the most recent gubernatorial election — 15% for constitutional changes. For the upcoming year, this would require nearly 95,000 signatures for statutory changes and almost 178,000 for constitutional ones.
All of that must be completed in a 90-day window.
To get on the ballot, the question must also survive potential legal challenges that can send organizers back to square one.
Relevant to this discussion, we can see which initiatives have been voted on and how much monetary influence came from outside of the state.After filing a copy of the petition with the state and getting the go-ahead to proceed, citizen-led campaigns must collect enough signatures of registered voters to equal 8% of votes cast in the most recent gubernatorial election — 15% for constitutional changes. For the upcoming year, this would require nearly 95,000 signatures for statutory changes and almost 178,000 for constitutional ones.
All of that must be completed in a 90-day window.
To get on the ballot, the question must also survive potential legal challenges that can send organizers back to square one.
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03-01-2023, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
I tried collecting signatures once. It was to reduce sentencing in Oklahoma by limiting a prosecutor from using a criminal's previous arrests to enforce harsher punishments. I found out that the great majority of Oklahomans I spoke with are steadfast in their belief that all criminals should be punished in the harshest way possible.Bro, guess what one of my first jobs was....petition circulator.
I may have lasted a week at best. I just couldn't get over the fact that I was inconveniencing people by asking to talk to them. Ironically, shortly after my failed attempt to convince my neighbors that reducing criminal charges can be a good thing, Trump went on to reform criminal justice to alleviate some sentencing (I'm recalling from memory, forgive me if I'm mistaken.)
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03-01-2023, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
If you're remotely interested in getting away from all the liberal retards, Oklahoma is about as good as it gets. I wouldn't mind living in Tulsa, or even OKC, but I won't pretend those cities are remotely "fun". I lived in Lawton when I was a kid and I have fond memories of prairie dogs and mud storms...Oklahoma has a lot to offer actually, just not grooming children, which is why you feel it has nothing to offer
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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03-01-2023, 01:57 PM
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Stizzel is unfamiliar with Oklahoma if he believes there are no child predators here, many of whom are registered Republicans. I won't provide links since that is a subject for another thread.
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03-01-2023, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
Yep. half the men will curse you out. Women are more receptive to signing a petition, but I did feel like I was inconveniences them. Old Boomers were the worst, they would try to debate every issue.I tried collecting signatures once. It was to reduce sentencing in Oklahoma by limiting a prosecutor from using a criminal's previous arrests to enforce harsher punishments. I found out that the great majority of Oklahomans I spoke with are steadfast in their belief that all criminals should be punished in the harshest way possible.
I may have lasted a week at best. I just couldn't get over the fact that I was inconveniencing people by asking to talk to them. Ironically, shortly after my failed attempt to convince my neighbors that reducing criminal charges can be a good thing, Trump went on to reform criminal justice to alleviate some sentencing (I'm recalling from memory, forgive me if I'm mistaken.)
I may have lasted a week at best. I just couldn't get over the fact that I was inconveniencing people by asking to talk to them. Ironically, shortly after my failed attempt to convince my neighbors that reducing criminal charges can be a good thing, Trump went on to reform criminal justice to alleviate some sentencing (I'm recalling from memory, forgive me if I'm mistaken.)
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03-01-2023, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
Can confirm. It was even more frustrating to me that I was told not to engage people for longer than a minute or two. I'm thinking to myself, "no, I live here, this is my community, I want to talk to my neighbors as if they are real people and not a name on a piece of paper."Old Boomers were the worst, they would try to debate every issue.
Ultimately I believe my previous incarceration for what can now be obtained with a medical card would have prevented me from collecting signatures if background checks were required of signature collectors.
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03-01-2023, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Ha. I lived in Mangum for most of 10th grade. It was the year half of OK got ravaged by tornados.I lived in Altus when I was a kid. The kids were great, the adults.. not so much. Super racist. Most of my friends moved to Texas when they became adults because OK was so bad. I heard the town is full of meth heads and hard druggies now. Probably typical in red poor states though.
But I do have to admit, baseball and football there was the best.
But I do have to admit, baseball and football there was the best.
03-01-2023, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
In Other words, people want to be left alone, and there are some issues that politicians need to stay out of in order for America to have liberty. The unfortunate truth is that although somebody votes for a particular candidate, does not mean they want everything that the candidate wants. The reason we are in this mess in the first place, is that there are so many extremes that one individual can go into, that it is impossible for the candidate to represent each individual exactly.Can confirm. It was even more frustrating to me that I was told not to engage people for longer than a minute or two. I'm thinking to myself, "no, I live here, this is my community, I want to talk to my neighbors as if they are real people and not a name on a piece of paper."
Ultimately I believe my previous incarceration for what can now be obtained with a medical card would have prevented me from collecting signatures if background checks were required of signature collectors.
Ultimately I believe my previous incarceration for what can now be obtained with a medical card would have prevented me from collecting signatures if background checks were required of signature collectors.
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03-01-2023, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted By tng83⏩
I'm in Norman and we had a tornado a few nights ago. It touched down near my gym and ravaged a subdivision a mile and a half east of my home. I think we broke the record for the most tornados in one night across the state, and tornado season hasn't even officially started.Ha. I lived in Mangum for most of 10th grade. It was the year half of OK got ravaged by tornados.
I'm not sure why but whenever Okies hear there's a tornado we don't get to safety, we go outside and see if we can spot it.
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Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
I can agree with this and I think it might be what Bullitt was suggesting would be the outcome of enforcing term limits. I mean, how do we limit their power over us if they enact legislation that ultimately limits our ability to vote in laws that limit their power. It's a real humdinger.The less power politicians have, the more values a society will share with a candidate.
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03-01-2023, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
Unfortunately, we have gotten into this mess for allowing politicians to take power. The Least violent and easiest way is to resist and ignore laws that interfere with liberty. There was a time in America that when a law was enacted, people just didn't comply if they disagreed. This forced politicians to abolish the legislation that they created. Any law that people comply to, regardless of how bad it is, will be considered a success. Back then, they also knew that individuals would fight for their liberty. Today, politicians exploit society's weaknesses, and we have a lot of them. The fastest way for a government to weaken a society is through Socialism. It corrupts, and it interferes with an individuals ability to be independent. This is exactly why we had liberty in the first place. Being compelled my God, means that people do what they have to do to survive. With Socialism, everyone gets what they need to survive, which is a form of oppression.I can agree with this and I think it might be what Bullitt was suggesting would be the outcome of enforcing term limits. I mean, how do we limit their power over us if they enact legislation that ultimately limits our ability to vote in laws that limit their power. It's a real humdinger.
An example of this recently, would have been resisting lockdowns, masks, and vaccine mandates. The fact that the government was able to influence people to do it, and influence individuals and society to coerce others, indicates how far we have fallen. Had at least 75% of people resisted, politicians would've immediately back down
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03-01-2023, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
Went to the mall in Lawton many times as a kid.If you're remotely interested in getting away from all the liberal retards, Oklahoma is about as good as it gets. I wouldn't mind living in Tulsa, or even OKC, but I won't pretend those cities are remotely "fun". I lived in Lawton when I was a kid and I have fond memories of prairie dogs and mud storms...
Originally Posted By tng83⏩
Mangum had rattlesnake hunts every year along with some kind of fair that had tons and tons of turquoise jewelry. You could pay $5 and get a polaroid pic with a rattlesnake around your neck with its mouth sewn shut lol.Ha. I lived in Mangum for most of 10th grade. It was the year half of OK got ravaged by tornados.
Small world.
Originally Posted By Vardoger⏩
I remember the huge tornado that hit the air force base in 82. Every single one of us were watching it in our front yards. Literally no one took shelter lol.I'm in Norman and we had a tornado a few nights ago. It touched down near my gym and ravaged a subdivision a mile and a half east of my home. I think we broke the record for the most tornados in one night across the state, and tornado season hasn't even officially started.
I'm not sure why but whenever Okies hear there's a tornado we don't get to safety, we go outside and see if we can spot it.
I'm not sure why but whenever Okies hear there's a tornado we don't get to safety, we go outside and see if we can spot it.
All that said.. you couldn't pay me to go back there lol.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Rattlesnake derby capital of the world. The whole towns economy is built on it. It grows from like 2500 people to over 40000 the week of the derby.Went to the mall in Lawton many times as a kid.
Mangum had rattlesnake hunts every year along with some kind of fair that had tons and tons of turquoise jewelry. You could pay $5 and get a polaroid pic with a rattlesnake around your neck with its mouth sewn shut lol.
Small world.
Mangum had rattlesnake hunts every year along with some kind of fair that had tons and tons of turquoise jewelry. You could pay $5 and get a polaroid pic with a rattlesnake around your neck with its mouth sewn shut lol.
Small world.
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