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post 1678691953 03-10-2023, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
He did.. only he thought it was porn instead of a warning about government control.

"Dear Penthouse, I never thought this would happen to me but...."
that took me back - I might go buy a Penthouse Forums this weekend for old time's sake
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
yes...well most of them

the rest are complicit

only Tulsi had the scrote to stand up to them
Interventionists sure…but they are pretty much the exact opposite for “free market” statists. That’s why they played a huge role in absolutely decimating small businesses during the pandemic while helping large corporations rake in record profits. It was possibly the largest transfer of wealth in human history. Also, what does being “neocon” have to do with them supporting this censorship? Other than you want a way to frame it as a conservative thing, when in actuality the left and liberals have been the biggest supporters of censorship over the past 5-10 years.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
It SHOULD, but.... it's not.

Elon Musk has exposed it all, and our very own government has been actively working to censor online content for years. That's actually kinda the point. Here, read this...

"voted against legislation on Thursday that would prohibit federal officials from taking any action to squelch the sharing of views and opinions online..

Meaning you and Pat could also be censored someday..

And then there's this....

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is demanding Elon Musk turn over internal Twitter documents, including a list of the journalists who were behind the viral "Twitter Files."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/federa...-twitter-files

Do you really want the government going after journalists 'tard? Keep in mind now that it won't always be the journalists that you don't like who tell you things that you don't want to hear.
Didn't twitter, before Elon bought it, actuallywantto help the government though?

There's no law that can prevent corps and the gov from voluntarily working together for their mutual benefit. I get there's a fine line between that and being strong armed by the federal mafia. There is already a legal process for fighting back though if the corp chooses to and we don't need another feel good law full of loopholes to complicate things.

And sorry, I'm not buying into the doomer "muh censorship of journalists" tripe. There's as much freedom as ever for anyone to spout their opinions, it's literally the fuel the feeds the daily whining on this forum.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Didn't twitter, before Elon bought it, actuallywantto help the government though?

There's no law that can prevent corps and the gov from voluntarily working together for their mutual benefit. I get there's a fine line between that and being strong armed by the federal mafia. There is already a legal process for fighting back though if the corp chooses to and we don't need another feel good law full of loopholes to complicate things.

And sorry, I'm not buying into the doomer "muh censorship of journalists" tripe. There's as much freedom as ever for anyone to spout their opinions, it's literally the fuel the feeds the daily whining on this forum.
LMAO!! Now HOW did I know you were going to say that!

You've got a prime example posted right here in this very thread 'tard. But tell you what... Since it was a Fox News link, how 'bout I give you one from the WSJ that literally says the exact same thing?
FTC Twitter Investigation Sought Elon Musk’s Internal Communications, Journalist Names

In 12 letters sent to Twitter and its lawyers since Mr. Musk’s Oct. 27 takeover, the FTC also asked the company to “identify all journalists” granted access to company records and to provide information about the launch of the revamped Twitter Blue subscription service, the documents show.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/twitter...329a1zy0epu0a8
'Tard's gumint says "We demand all the journalists names rite nao!"

And 'tard be like.. "I ain't buyin it!"

In before semantics.
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post 1678695753 03-10-2023, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Republicans really, really want to spread misinformation freely on the internet. Especially around election time.
It's so funny how reflective this comment is of your brainwashing. You're literally the type of people that history looks back on and wonders "how can someone be so stupid or go along with XYZ?".

You are so emotionally invested in this, that there is no other path for you but to double down on the insanity.
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
LMAO!! Now HOW did I know you were going to say that!

You've got a prime example posted right here in this very thread 'tard. But tell you what... Since it was a Fox News link, how 'bout I give you one from the WSJ that literally says the exact same thing?



'Tard's gumint says "We demand all the journalists names rite nao!"

And 'tard be like.. "I ain't buyin it!"

In before semantics.
This.


Lots of legit journalists, scientists, medical professionals, dissidents, etc. showing tons of examples of being silenced or punished in other ways like demonetization and leftists on here go “we’re more free than ever to express our views”.

No way anyone can really say that with a straight face after everything we’ve seen over the past 7 years or so. There are pretty much literal “Ministry of Truth” style approaches to information and the dissemination of it and people who once were skeptical of govt. and big corporations(particularly the partnership of the two) now suddenly love the marriage because theythinkthey’re on the same team as them. It’s fascinating to watch this stuff play out in the real-world, and what propaganda can do to a society.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Didn't twitter, before Elon bought it, actuallywantto help the government though?

There's no law that can prevent corps and the gov from voluntarily working together for their mutual benefit.
So what mutual benefit could a company like..... Oh, I dunno.. Let's say Twitter, have with the government?

I mean twitter is just information, right? Memes, and links to news articles, and people bitching at each other, right? So mutual benefit with the government... that's odd AF. Only thing I can think of would be influencing public opinion on government policy, and.... Dare we say elections??

And now... after years of denying it, said gumint is demanding the names of journalists who exposed....something.

Yeah 'tard, that's totally legit. You're right to not buy into the doomer "muh censorship of journalists" tripe bro. Good call lol.

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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
So what mutual benefit could a company like..... Oh, I dunno.. Let's say Twitter, have with the government?

I mean twitter is just information, right? Memes, and links to news articles, and people bitching at each other, right? So mutual benefit with the government... that's odd AF. Only thing I can think of would be influencing public opinion on government policy, and.... Dare we say elections??

And now... after years of denying it, said gumint is demanding the names of journalists who exposed....something.

Yeah 'tard, that's totally legit. You're right to not buy into the doomer "muh censorship of journalists" tripe bro. Good call lol.

maybe I missed something here....

isn't it not about Twitter's willingness to do anything but the fact that the government is trying to tell us things are misinformation? Because that would be very Orwellian
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Didn't twitter, before Elon bought it, actually want to help the government though?

There's no law that can prevent corps and the gov from voluntarily working together for their mutual benefit.
Why yes, 'tard. It did!

Under Government Pressure, Twitter Suppressed Truthful Speech About COVID-19
https://reason.com/2023/01/02/under-...bout-covid-19/

New ‘Twitter files’ allege Biden administration worked with Twitter to control COVID conversation
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nati...c7adc40e8.html

Biden admin pushed to bar Twitter users for COVID ‘disinformation,’ files show
https://nypost.com/2022/12/26/biden-...isinformation/

The White House asks Twitter to censor Robert Kennedy, Jr., a known critic of the White House’s COVID-19 narrative
The White House directs ******** to shut down conservative voices Tucker Carlson and Tomi Lahren
https://ago.mo.gov/home/news/2023/01...sorship-scheme

Twitter labelled scientific reporting of COVID-19 as “misinformation”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/202.../eycb-a27.html

The White House and Twitter Censorship
There's new evidence that Biden officials wanted the site to ban Alex Berenson.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-a...ia-11660335186

And on, and on...

Btw, notice I didn't post anything about them censoring Hunter Biden stories? I know that's a touchy subject with you libs so I thought we'd just stick to covid. You're welcome.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
maybe I missed something here....

isn't it not about Twitter's willingness to do anything but the fact that the government is trying to tell us things are misinformation? Because that would be very Orwellian
Yes, that's exactly what it's about.

'Tard is just trying to shrug it aff and play dumb though because Twitterwantedto help the government.
Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Didn't twitter, before Elon bought it, actuallywantto help the government though?

There's no law that can prevent corps and the gov from voluntarily working together for their mutual benefit.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
you have read 1984, right?
why even bother talking to that retard? he has his fifth booster and probably has clots on his brain, he isnt long for this world
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Yes, that's exactly what it's about.

'Tard is just trying to shrug it aff and play dumb though because Twitterwantedto help the government.
But I don’t think he accepts it because he thinks Twitter actually wanted to help, he supports it because he likes the outcome. He is perfectly fine with promoting certain views(which help pharmaceutical companies make billions) and censoring other views(which turned out to be 100% true) because he views them as being on his side. Same thing with the laptop story. If Twitter “wanted to help the govt.” by burying terrible stories about Trump’s sons and promoting stories that made Biden look like the incompetent shell that he is he would he absolutely FURIOUS and demanding change. But since it was “his team”(lmfao at thinking those people care about the best interest of the general public) he is perfectly fine with it.
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Originally Posted By NKWulf⏩
House Democrats unanimously voted against legislation on Thursday that would prohibit federal officials from taking any action to squelch the sharing of views and opinions online, a bill Republicans called up after Twitter’s internal files showed the FBI was constantly pressuring that company to suppress certain stories – including stories related to Hunter Biden.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...-online-speech
WHY was the FBI involved in that?

How can the justify it?
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
maybe I missed something here....

isn't it not about Twitter's willingness to do anything but the fact that the government is trying to tell us things are misinformation? Because that would be very Orwellian
Before claiming whatever this is as Orwellian, keep the context that in exchange for being allowed to make boatloads of cash using public resources, AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc are all directly connected to that federal data center in Utah.

Also keep in mind the government has a legitimate role in disseminating information to citizens as well as a strategic national security role regarding propaganda and such.

That's not intended to be deflection, just to set the stage for how egregious this current thing is.


The rest of what is being discussed ITT may or may not be of concern, it's hard to tell from all the background noise of opportunistic bitching and choosing sides on what people feel is information or misinformation.

But to answer Opie's question about who determines what is disinformation? YOU DO.

If you're relying on social media, Tucker, or the government to spoon feed it then you've already lost.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
But I don’t think he accepts it because he thinks Twitter actually wanted to help, he supports it because he likes the outcome. He is perfectly fine with promoting certain views(which help pharmaceutical companies make billions) and censoring other views(which turned out to be 100% true) because he views them as being on his side. Same thing with the laptop story. If Twitter “wanted to help the govt.” by burying terrible stories about Trump’s sons and promoting stories that made Biden look like the incompetent shell that he is he would he absolutely FURIOUS and demanding change. But since it was “his team”(lmfao at thinking those people care about the best interest of the general public) he is perfectly fine with it.
Bullchit. I continuously frame my posts around the fact that I'm not playing the same "team" game y'all are.

It pisses you off too.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Also keep in mind the government has a legitimate role in disseminating information to citizens as well as a strategic national security role regarding propaganda and such.
This is where we disagree
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Bullchit. I continuously frame my posts around the fact that I'm not playing the same "team" game y'all are.

It pisses you off too.
Just because you frame your posts that way doesn’t make my statement inaccurate. Again, in the scenario I presented you would be absolutely freaking out. You freaked out enough about Trump being a dictator and he(or any agency under him) didn’t do anything close to that in order to help him.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
This is where we disagree
I'm surprised TBH.

Without getting into an argument over the quality of their work, are you saying the government should have kept their mouth shut entirely during WWII, covid or the Ohio train derailment?

On one hand I like the sentiment of zero interference or regulation but don't see it working out in practice.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Just because you frame your posts that way doesn’t make my statement inaccurate. Again, in the scenario I presented you would be absolutely freaking out. You freaked out enough about Trump being a dictator and he(or any agency under him) didn’t do anything close to that in order to help him.
I can't stop you from creating any fantasies you'd like but it doesn't bother me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I'm surprised TBH.

Without getting into an argument over the quality of their work, are you saying the government should have kept their mouth shut entirely during WWII, covid or the Ohio train derailment?

On one hand I like the sentiment of zero interference or regulation but don't see it working out in practice.
I was referring to the portion regarding "propoganda"
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
I was referring to the portion regarding "propoganda"
I have the same question though.

In the event of propaganda being distributed online by a foreign country to cause disruption would it be wrong for the government to let everyone know it's bullchit and should be disregarded?

I think they have a duty (in good faith) to do exactly that.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Before claiming whatever this is as Orwellian, keep the context that in exchange for being allowed to make boatloads of cash using public resources, AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc are all directly connected to that federal data center in Utah.

Also keep in mind the government has a legitimate role in disseminating information to citizens as well as a strategic national security role regarding propaganda and such.

That's not intended to be deflection, just to set the stage for how egregious this current thing is.


The rest of what is being discussed ITT may or may not be of concern, it's hard to tell from all the background noise of opportunistic bitching and choosing sides on what people feel is information or misinformation.

But to answer Opie's question about who determines what is disinformation? YOU DO.
'Tard.. "Social Media" isn't just a forum where people post pics of their pets and kids birthday parties. It is also an exchange of information from everywhere. And IF some of that information is being suppressed or manipulated, then WE CAN'T determine whether or not it's disinformation.
Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
If you're relying on social media, Tucker, or the government to spoon feed it then you've already lost.
So where you gonna get it from 'tard? Has to come from somewhere, right? And if your government is controlling what you hear and see, then....
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I have the same question though.

In the event of propaganda being distributed online by a foreign country to cause disruptionwould it be wrong for the government to let everyone know it's bullchit and should be disregarded?

I think they have a duty (in good faith) to do exactly that.
And I have an answer to your question 'tard!
Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
But to answer Opie's question about who determines what is disinformation? YOU DO.

If you're relying on social media, Tucker, or the government to spoon feed it then you've already lost.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I have the same question though.

In the event of propaganda being distributed online by a foreign country to cause disruption would it be wrong for the government to let everyone know it's bullchit and should be disregarded?

I think they have a duty (in good faith) to do exactly that.
I disagree - it is far too slippery a slope to even start on

I mean didn't you say above that the people should determine what is disinformation?
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
I have the same question though.

In the event of propaganda being distributed online by a foreign country to cause disruption would it be wrong for the government to let everyone know it's bullchit and should be disregarded?

I think they have a duty (in good faith) to do exactly that.
I disagree. The entire point of our free press is that we let people decide for themselves what is or is not true. If some are idiots, oh well. They labeled a lot of info about Ukraine's war and history as Russian propaganda. Giving them the power to censor foreign "propaganda" is tantamount to forcing us to only hear their narratives about other nations. I don't trust our press and neither should you. The CIA is very good at bullchitting our public.

The way we protect against bullchit is a good education. Many of the retards here you see are products of no child left behind and common core. A lot of these down syndrome assclowns never went to college. This is the result.
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Originally Posted By TaiMaiSchutze⏩
I disagree. The entire point of our free press is that we let people decide for themselves what is or is not true. If some are idiots, oh well. They labeled a lot of info about Ukraine's war and history as Russian propaganda. Giving them the power to censor foreign "propaganda" is tantamount to forcing us to only hear their narratives about other nations. I don't trust our press and neither should you. The CIA is very good at bullchitting our public.
well phuck now i have to change my opinion
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
'Tard.. "Social Media" isn't just a forum where people post pics of their pets and kids birthday parties. It is also an exchange of information from everywhere. And IF some of that information is being suppressed then WE CAN'T determine whether or not it's disinformation.



So where you gonna get it from 'tard? Has to come from somewhere, right? And if your government is controlling what you hear and see, then....
Nah, there's a mountain of information available from thousands of sources, more than ever in the US. Even China can't completely lock down the flow of information to their citizens.

Ideally, our government and media would be reliable sources. But we're right to be skeptical and it's up to each of us individually to satisfy our skepticism.

If the liberal scum at Twitter can't give you what you're looking for there are plenty of options. I mean, y'all never seem to run short of "facts" to prove how terrible Democrats are.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Nah, there's a mountain of information available from thousands of sources, more than ever in the US. Even China can't completely lock down the flow of information to their citizens.

Ideally, our government and media would be reliable sources. But we're right to be skeptical and it's up to each of us individually to satisfy our skepticism.

If the liberal scum at Twitter can't give you what you're looking for there are plenty of options. I mean, y'all never seem to run short of "facts" to prove how terrible Democrats are.
wow talk about putting your head in the sand on an issue.
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Originally Posted By Seatard⏩
Nah, there's a mountain of information available from thousands of sources, more than ever in the US. Even China can't completely lock down the flow of information to their citizens.

Ideally, our government and media would be reliable sources. But we're right to be skeptical and it's up to each of us individually to satisfy our skepticism.

If the liberal scum at Twitter can't give you what you're looking for there are plenty of options. I mean, y'all never seem to run short of "facts" to prove how terrible Democrats are.
The govt already censors a crapton of info using google, youtube, etc. Making it official would be a terrible thing and invite even more abuse.

See how they managed to bury Sy Hersch's report on Nord Stream attack. They also buried the Ukrainian biolab info.
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There is no such thing as disinformation, there is only information. And those in control of the narrative decide which information you are allowed to speak or hear, apparently.
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