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Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩

^^This.

Yes, there are differences, but at the end of the day, all of it is being implemented to get to the same destination....the end of American sovereignty and the constitution. That can only succeed by removing one specific demographic from the equation.

Marx came up with these ideas in the 1800s.

He published his works around 1848, so that means he was thinking and working on them in the beginning of the 1800s. So, the goal was not to "destroy America" because the US was a rural under developed place at that time.

04-06-2023, 02:47 PM

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That ****** baboon leader of Black Lies Matter who bought large mansions is a trained marxist. Her own words.

04-06-2023, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted By LibStomper⏩

That ****** baboon leader of Black Lies Matter who bought large mansions is a trained marxist. Her own words.

That was so stupid when she said that.

You can't be trained to be a Marxist.

Marx said that communism would evolve due to increased education and understanding.

04-06-2023, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted By Beauuu⏩

Why is Marxism so unanesthetically appealing?

Your natural instinct is to be repulsed by it.

04-06-2023, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩

TMarxism:
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Looks like just another trojan horse to further enslave people, or to put a different flavour on it,people like voting in politicians and thinking they are contributing to a change
Why would elites bring in a Marxist agenda if it didnt benefit them?

04-06-2023, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted By J3remy⏩

Looks like just another trojan horse to further enslave people, or to put a different flavour on it,people like voting in politicians and thinking they are contributing to a change
Why would elites bring in a Marxist agenda if it didnt benefit them?

How is having no government and going back to cooperative workers working together equal slavery?

How can you have a "Marxist agenda" after what I wrote?

Back when there were kings they said that god made them kings, and do you believe that?

In Christianity, it says that you can't even think bad thoughts about people and you aren't allowed kill anyone. You aren't supposed to have money either, Jesus says all of that. Meanwhile, many countries use Christianity to wage wars and explain why there's rich people.

Do you believe that this is the real goal of Christianity and Jesus was wrong?

Could it be possible that evil people will use the facade of goodness to sell their evil agenda?

04-06-2023, 06:17 PM

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Marxism means a lot of things to a lot of people. But at its essence, a Marxist perspective is one concerned with who gains power and who is oppressed. For example, a Marxist perspective in IR conflicts would be concerned with who tangibly gains resources in the war. Most Americans have no clue what Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, and modern Chinese Communism are. Contrary to what many Americans think, there is an entire field of Marxist economics, and modern versions of Marxism can even include market structures, as we see in China.

04-06-2023, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70⏩

Marxism, socialism, communism... it's all the same crap.

You left out democracy

04-06-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted By ForumPatrol⏩

Marxism is the call for eradication of socioeconomic classes and reallocation of private property to achieve equitable outcomes for all, through whatever means necessary, including violence

It's a socially untenable ideal just like laissez-faire capitalism.The ideal of equitable outcomes for unequal inputs is probably just as unfair as unhindered, unregulated monopolization of capital would be

My man. I’ve supported this notion for a while.

04-06-2023, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted By ForumPatrol⏩

Marxism is the call for eradication of socioeconomic classes and reallocation of private property to achieve equitable outcomes for all, through whatever means necessary, including violence

It's a socially untenable ideal just like laissez-faire capitalism. The ideal of equitable outcomes for unequal inputs is probably just as unfair as unhindered, unregulated monopolization of capital would be

Equal outcomes is not a tenet of Marxism, nor of communist leaders. Every communist country still has some notion of meritocracy. In fact, China is more meritocratic than America. In America, you have people getting rich for being rich or posting ass pics. Our country's powerful are popular socialites. China is run by mostly engineers who did well in school and were also savvy enough to survive purges and rise to the top of the hierarchy - a hierarchy of over a billion people. Every single Chinese politician is perhaps hundreds of times more competent than your average American one.

It's amusing to see Americans speak of meritocracy when most cannot even solve basic physics problems. They are all idiots drunk on their power and wealth that they inherited from the prior generation's hard work and effort in science, technology, business, strategy, and warfare. But not for long. You will all lose.

04-06-2023, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted By lowkeycommie⏩

Equal outcomes is not a tenet of Marxism, nor of communist leaders. Every communist country still has some notion of meritocracy. In fact, China is more meritocratic than America. In America, you have people getting rich for being rich or posting ass pics. Our country's powerful are popular socialites. China is run by mostly engineers who did well in school and were also savvy enough to survive purges and rise to the top of the hierarchy - a hierarchy of over a billion people. Every single Chinese politician is perhaps hundreds of times more competent than your average American one.

It's amusing to see Americans speak of meritocracy when most cannot even solve basic physics problems. They are all idiots drunk on their power and wealth that they inherited from the prior generation's hard work and effort in science, technology, business, strategy, and warfare. But not for long. You will all lose.

It's not Marxism, which is what the thread is about.

We do not have what Marx said and we are supposed to be evolving toward what Marx said, you can't force it.

04-06-2023, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩

It's not Marxism, which is what the thread is about.

We do not have what Marx said and we are supposed to be evolving toward what Marx said, you can't force it.

IDK why people act like Marx was some prophet. Marxism has been repeatedly modified, starting with Leninism and ending with the current CCP.

04-06-2023, 07:23 PM

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In my OP I explained that Marx predicted a return to tribal cooperative society, but with modern technology.

https://www.achieveriasclasses.com/m...s-to-remember/

This briefly explains it.

As I have been saying, no one can MAKE this evolution happen, people have to believe it's a good idea.

All "Communist" governments have been fake. You can't pass laws or have government to FORCE....COOPERATION.

It's the same principle as the Catholic Church wages wars....your can't be Christian and do that, so automatically the church was invalidated as "Christian" by those acts. Just the same, you can't force communism to happen, so those governments were facades. The Catholic Church was a facade for greedy warmongers.

Sociopathic leaders lie about why they are leading.

04-06-2023, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted By lowkeycommie⏩

IDK why people act like Marx was some prophet. Marxism has been repeatedly modified, starting with Leninism and ending with the current CCP.

What hasn’t been modified? Christianity and Islam have countless denominations. Capitalism has different branch-offs. Etc. Marx/Engels are important because of the modern origins of Communism, not because they are the final word on it.

04-06-2023, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted By lowkeycommie⏩

IDK why people act like Marx was some prophet. Marxism has been repeatedly modified, starting with Leninism and ending with the current CCP.

Because they grew up hearing about Marx by media propagandists and then dumbass dinner table convos with dad.

It's the same as fake religious people talking about "Jesus" and they never bothered to read anything about it, they just repeat phrases they heard before.

04-06-2023, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted By Phil9⏩

What hasn’t been modified? Christianity and Islam have countless denominations. Capitalism has different branch-offs. Etc. Marx/Engels are important because of the modern origins of Communism, not because they are the final word on it.

Look at my post explaining what Marx said.

Marxism isn't a government----it's a prediction.

There can't be different versions of some guy's prediction.

04-06-2023, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted By lowkeycommie⏩

IDK why people act like Marx was some prophet. Marxism has been repeatedly modified, starting with Leninism and ending with the current CCP.

Marxism was itself an iteration of previous socialists. All Marx did was take their inane bable about how socialism would make food fall from the skies for anyone that is hungry and give it a scientific format. "I did research by asking my friend Engles if capitalism is stupid and he says it is therefor socialism is a good idea".

Marx was an arrogant, stupid and mostly useless person that wrote a book about how life isn't fair so everything should be free and people that succeed owe something to people that are incompetent. There's a certain kind of person that finds that message very appealing and most of them would do the collective gene pool a huge favor by not procreating.

04-06-2023, 07:52 PM

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I don't agree with a lot of it, but I mean there's some common sense stuff Marx said that I like.

So like if you're going to get a job, something you hear a lot is that you want to get paid what you're worth. Marx basically said that's not really possible because if a company paid people what they're actually worth they wouldn't make any money. At that point you wouldn't have much of a company anymore. The whole point of a company is to literally capitalize off what's called surplus labor value, or, profits. So Marx argued that companies should be owned by the workers who do the work instead of like one boss/owner and that's one of the reasons.

04-06-2023, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩

Marxism was itself an iteration of previous socialists. All Marx did was take their inane bable about how socialism would make food fall from the skies for anyone that is hungry and give it a scientific format. "I did research by asking my friend Engles if capitalism is stupid and he says it is therefor socialism is a good idea".

Marx was an arrogant, stupid and mostly useless person that wrote a book about how life isn't fair so everything should be free and people that succeed owe something to people that are incompetent. There's a certain kind of person that finds that message very appealing and most of them would do the collective gene pool a huge favor by not procreating.

He was an activist for most of his life and did not write what you're attributing to him.

04-06-2023, 08:05 PM

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04-06-2023, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩

He was an activist for most of his life and did not write what you're attributing to him.

Not literally, no, but that's the gist of the 'research' he did. Begging for money and writing books about how everything should be free is a weird kind of activism. I suppose you could say he was a man ahead of his time, the epitome of the modern liberal.

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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩

Not literally, no, but that's the gist of the 'research' he did. Begging for money and writing books about how everything should be free is a weird kind of activism. I suppose you could say he was a man ahead of his time, the epitome of the modern liberal.

Nah. From what I've read, that's not an accurate account of his theories or life.

04-06-2023, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩

Nah. From what I've read, that's not an accurate account of his theories or life.

So you're into fantasy

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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩

So you're into fantasy

You have been saying nothing but nonsense your think is real but just exists in your mind.

It's the typical weirdness people exhibit about complex topics they can't be bothered to learn about.

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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩

You have been saying nothing but nonsense your think is real but just exists in your mind.

It's the typical weirdness people exhibit about complex topics they can't be bothered to learn about.

i never realized squatting was so complex

04-06-2023, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩

You have been saying nothing but nonsense your think is real but just exists in your mind.

It's the typical weirdness people exhibit about complex topics they can't be bothered to learn about.

I actually know quite a lot about marx which is probably why you cant point to anything specific you disagree with.

In the time of children chimney sweeps the only laborer he ever found that was truly abused by their employer was his own maid

04-06-2023, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩

I actually know quite a lot about marx which is probably why you cant point to anything specific you disagree with.

In the time of children chimney sweeps the only laborer he ever found that was truly abused by their employer was his own maid

Other than the massive amount of detailed information that I posted...lol.

You don't know the first f@cking thing about the topic.

You just don't.

You posted NONSENSE.

04-06-2023, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩

Other than the massive amount of detailed information that I posted...lol.

You don't know the first f@cking thing about the topic.

You just don't.

You posted NONSENSE.

Really? Marx didnt knock his maid up after making her work for free?

04-06-2023, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩

I actually know quite a lot about marx which is probably why you cant point to anything specific you disagree with.

In the time of children chimney sweeps the only laborer he ever found that was truly abused by their employer was his own maid

It doesn't take much abstraction to apply dialectic materialism to what we're seeing at present.