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07-16-2023, 02:39 PM
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The best advice I can give is: do a demographics check of the area... If there are too many astronauts and astro-physicists, then peace the f/ck out....
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07-16-2023, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By JIA⏩
You're in the US but I get the gist of what you're saying and I can apply some of it.Cap rates and cash flow are king. Vetting and finding great tenants is the single most important thing you can do.
The lower the class rating a property is(A through D), the higher the cap rate which makes sense since it's correlated with risk. I prefer class B properties(usually slightly older home In a suburb within a reasonable commute to a major city) which to me is the sweet spot.
Single family homes or complexes? Are you willing to live in one of the units? Before buying check with the HOA regarding renting permissions; some have restrictions especially condos and co-ops.
LLCs are unnecessary(not to mention how easy it is to pierce the corporate veil) until you own more than 4 properties and subject to fair housing act.
Bigger pockets forums and r/landlord is where we hang out online. There will also be local landlord groups in your area that you can join to learn more about your specific area.
Feel free to ask more questions.
The lower the class rating a property is(A through D), the higher the cap rate which makes sense since it's correlated with risk. I prefer class B properties(usually slightly older home In a suburb within a reasonable commute to a major city) which to me is the sweet spot.
Single family homes or complexes? Are you willing to live in one of the units? Before buying check with the HOA regarding renting permissions; some have restrictions especially condos and co-ops.
LLCs are unnecessary(not to mention how easy it is to pierce the corporate veil) until you own more than 4 properties and subject to fair housing act.
Bigger pockets forums and r/landlord is where we hang out online. There will also be local landlord groups in your area that you can join to learn more about your specific area.
Feel free to ask more questions.
It seems very possible to find properties in my area where the rental income will cover the repayments, with a little left over (assuming 20y mortgage at 4%)
I'm won't be living in one of the units, but I'm looking no further than an hour's drive from where I live, just in case there's a problem and I need to be there. Also I figure it will allow me to keep and eye on any work I get done on the property.
Right now I'm looking at both houses and small complexes. Complexes seem to offer better income, but I guess that with houses you are dealing with more stable and longer term tenants.
I do like the idea of a little house in good condition, just to get me started. I can move onto bigger things once I have a little experience.
Thanks for the post
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07-16-2023, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Yeah, had one in TX and was not fun. But your in Austin so at least you have that going for you. I was in Houston and add to all of the chit you have constant tropical rain storms + hurricanes.Consider property taxes when calculating ROI.
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07-16-2023, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By SteadySmokin⏩
I honestly think yes. I'm not leveraged to fuk, I have some savings and my business could always get my out of trouble.can you afford the payments it you have no tenants? can you afford if tenants decide to stop paying? do you plan on renting the entire thing out, each level seperatly or by rooms? do you know the laws surrounding being a land lord? Are you good with dealing with personal issues between people (if you have multiple tenants)?
It's a huge risk for only an extra few hundred a month.
It's a huge risk for only an extra few hundred a month.
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07-16-2023, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why not?The bolded has nothing to do with the landlord.


07-16-2023, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Solid advice, but I didn't realize OP isn't in the U.S.The biggest thing you’ll want to consider is will the property cash flow. Take the expected rent and minus out the mortgage payment, property taxes, insurance, and also a buffer for maintenance, cap ex, vacancies and property management if you don’t plan to manage yourself. That number should be positive
Also, if you want more hands off, considering looking for newer properties or properties where the major systems have been updated more recently (roof, hvac, windows, plumbing, electrical). If the house has an old roof you’ll constantly be dealing with roof leaks and eventually will have to replace it which is a big cost for example
If this was US I would say that a separate LLC is a good idea but I’d talk to your attorney/CPA to figure out the standard in France
One last thing, you don’t have to offer asking price for a house. Run your numbers on potential deals and make the offer where it makes sense for you. It may take multiple offers to get a deal that makes sense but it’s better to do this upfront than to overpay for a property and it ends up not cash flowing
Good luck!
Also, if you want more hands off, considering looking for newer properties or properties where the major systems have been updated more recently (roof, hvac, windows, plumbing, electrical). If the house has an old roof you’ll constantly be dealing with roof leaks and eventually will have to replace it which is a big cost for example
If this was US I would say that a separate LLC is a good idea but I’d talk to your attorney/CPA to figure out the standard in France
One last thing, you don’t have to offer asking price for a house. Run your numbers on potential deals and make the offer where it makes sense for you. It may take multiple offers to get a deal that makes sense but it’s better to do this upfront than to overpay for a property and it ends up not cash flowing
Good luck!
Residential properties of less than 5 units are not valued using direct capitalization.
Sales comparison method is more accurate for duplexes and above.
You could also use GRM(gross rent multiplier), an income approach if you know market rents and sale prices of comps.
OP good luck, I've seen a lot of cote d' azur or French countryside homes for STRs(short term rentals) which can be lucrative. Millions of Americans want to experience the trad French countryside living or enjoy the med. Hell I went there with a fellow miscer a few years ago, stayed in monaco and had a blast.
07-16-2023, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted By N0stradamus⏩
probably true...safest bet is buying homes in 90%+ white neighborhoods.The best advice I can give is: do a demographics check of the area... If there are too many astronauts and astro-physicists, then peace the f/ck out....
07-16-2023, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Sure, if you own one home. If you own a bunch of rentals, you're paying basically $10k per year of tax per unit.But you don't have state income tax. So it kinda evens out.
High IQ play is to live in a state with no income tax and have your rentals in a state with low prop tax.
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07-16-2023, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted By bicmane102⏩
he's probably the type of landlord that just hands out the complaint forms. doesnt care for who was right or wrong then evicts after a few complaints. then evicted tenant comes back to vandalize the place cuz they feel unjust, LOL!Why not?

07-16-2023, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted By SteadySmokin⏩
How poor must you be to be so familiar with eviction proceedings and vandalizing a rental?he's probably the type of landlord that just hands out the complaint forms. doesnt care for who was right or wrong then evicts after a few complaints. then evicted tenant comes back to vandalize the place cuz they feel unjust, LOL!

You'd never make it into any of mine.

07-16-2023, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Some of the posters here who are seething do not even seem to possess a kindergarten level of emotional maturity.Because a landlord is a landlord, not a kindergarten teacher.


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